Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Kiyanu Kim

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 03:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Kiyanu Kim (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)​

There is no evidence that User:Kiyanu Kim is an LTA. No WP:SPI page, no confirmed sockpuppets, no information to identify LTA activities. None of the listed suspected sockpuppets have been blocked, they seem to be a random list of users who edited the article Kiyanu Kim 5 years ago or linked it elsewhere. The article history does not show activity indicating an LTA. This LTA subpage creator User:命中注定你我他 is checkuser blocked. The existence of this page gives the impression that User:Kiyanu Kim is an LTA. Portraying a user who has not even made an edit (there could be deleted contribs) as an LTA without evidence is a personal attack, so this page should be deleted. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 16:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Deny all Dislike requests to delete LTA or SPI subpages unless the request comes from, or is agreed to by, at least an SPI clerk. Posts requests to clerk LTA subpages at WT:SPI. Ask, why are you clerking LTA subpages without experience in SPI? SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:49, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There is some mass blanking of LTA subpages going on. When blanked, it means their content can be found with the Wikipedia internal search engine. When deleted, it means not even the title can be found with the Wikipedia internal search engine without special effect to search deletion logs. Why is it desirable to hide this information? Why these selected LTA subpages, and not all LTA subpages? SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:51, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The problem here is this is not even an LTA page, it looks like it was created by a sock for harassment. It does not have any information to help identify an LTA, which is what LTA subpages are supposed to do. You don't need to be an SPI clerk to see that. If someone creates Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/SmokeyJoe without any evidence and post a list of "socks", would you still favor keeping it? Please consider each page on its own merit.

  As for blanking inactive LTAs, I have provided a clear explanation in edit summaries [1]. See the AN thread linked in the edit summary for details. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you Malnadach (may I call you Malnadach?)

  I think you are right in each case, and I am looking at a different question of “what about the rest of them”. If no one wants responsibility of the mostly abandoned LTA system, then I find myself leaning to the complete opposite, to archive or delete all LTA subpages and archive WP:LTA itself. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:44, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Pages which are not marked historical have been getting semi regular updates from users. So some people do find them useful for active cases. The main LTA page was considered for deletion 4 times, the last being in 2018. I'm not sure a 5th nomination can succeed now. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  MfD was procedurally the wrong forum each time and would be again. Shutting it down does not mean deletion. Shutting it down or archiving is not appropriate before deciding what to do with the sort-of active subpages. Yes, users semi regularly update lots of things, but that doesn’t mean they are useful. I think overall, LTA is not used well, no one cares for it, and it is potentially being abused. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This LTA subpage, like many, is not a net positive to the project. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and SmokeyJoe. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 12:10, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete: Worthless, baseless case file. No useful information on this page to help an unfamiliar editor identify the user or their habits, which is the entire point of an LTA. silvia (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 21:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as candidate for G5 created by checkuser-blocked editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Noting that none of the listed accounts and IPs have ever been blocked here, so this page is likely a bad-faith creation. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 16:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Blatant bad-faith misuse of LTA subpage. funplussmart (talk) 23:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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