Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:NickOrnstein

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Active user working in longevity-related topics. The point that unsourced assertions about living people might need to be removed is legitimate, and I'll bring it to the user's attention. WilyD 10:54, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:NickOrnstein

User:NickOrnstein (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Another page in the same line as Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Verne2000 or Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Luathos. WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:FAKEARTICLE concerns Ca2james (talk) 19:26, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • ABSOULETLY, totally Keep - This is my page; I don't understand why that after SIX YEARS that all of a sudden a random nobody wants to shut my page down. I have had lists on my page for years. Aren't there more important issues to tackle, in regards to vandalizers to pages, besides my page that is absolutely no burden. This is NOT an article; no harm is being done to anybody except yourselves. TONS of other users from WikiProject: Oldest People have lists of the oldest people in the world on their page. I don't care about how high you rank (whether general or private) on Wikipedia; worry about yourself, pal. It is a website with information about older people, not a Hit List. Leave us fantastic contributors to the Oldest people articles alone. Thank you. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This was one of many other pages in userspace that contain content that violates WP:NOTWEBHOST. We aren't allowed to keep whatever we want; there are guidelines about what's acceptable on userpages over at WP:USERPAGE. Ca2james (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep It's quite clear from the giant notice at the top of the user page that it is not a real article, so WP:FAKEARTICLE does not apply. It's also clear that the users proposing these changes have a vendetta against the several users who are interested in developing articles on human longevity. WP:POINT states that people should use common sense and not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point - and this is exactly what is being done by the desructive attitude against people's userpages. WP:USER states that they can be used for "organizing and aiding the work users do on Wikipedia", which is precisely what this page does. Secondly, the nominator has not used correct procedure since they have not been advised first on the talk page as stated by WP:USER. This appears to be a personal vendetta to me and I would refer the above users to WP:EQ to learn more about the principles of Wikipedia etiquette. SiameseTurtle (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment User:NickOrnstein has twice removed the mfd tag. I have replaced it both times with an edit summary asking them to not delete the tag until this discussion has finished. Ca2james (talk) 02:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and direct the user to work at the project page (Wikipedia:WikiProject World's Oldest People/Future supercentenarians) or elsewhere. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:34, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As per nom. If this was taken to mainspace it would violate WP:RS, WP:BLP, WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:MOSFLAG and, IMHO, WP:TRIVIA. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 06:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I pity all of you wanting to be like a bunch of Chiefs over this great website. I will pray for all of you. God Bless all of you and please spend some Christmas Time with your family and more time away from the computer. Nick Ornstein (talk) 02:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's one thing to delete articles, but user pages aren't meant to be articles, they're meant to be what the user is interested in. Interests are very much about the user. It's like SimeseTurtle said: "It's quite clear from the giant notice at the top of the user page that it is not a real article, so WP:FAKEARTICLE does not apply. It's also clear that the users proposing these changes have a vendetta against the several users who are interested in developing articles on human longevity." I truly believe some people's goal is to delete the pages of people interested in human longevity, which I don't understand, so they'll have an easier time deleting articles on human longevity, namely supercentenarians. I know they're trying to delete Craho's (talk) page because he dare make a list that interests him, therefore telling us about him and helping make biography's about future titleholders and supercentenarians. Longevitydude (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Still violates WP:NOTWEBHOST and the user is clearly WP:NOTHERE as little (if any) edits are made outside their userpage. CommanderLinx (talk) 10:07, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked through his list of contributions and quite a few of his edits are to articles. Yes a lot of his edits are to his user page, but that's his right. Longevitydude (talk) 22:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Longevitydude has also removed the mfd notice with the edit summary "(Undid revision 639420549 by Ca2james (talk) I mean no disrespect, but please, stop harassing my friends. Our user pages are our business and we do use them to improve the encyclopedia" and I have replaced it again. Userpages are not the personal property of editors per WP:USERPAGE and Wikipedia is also WP:NOTWEBHOST. Ca2james (talk) 04:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • You do remember the three edit revert rule, don't you? I had to give my friend the same kindness he gave ryoung122 a few years ago. Longevitydude (talk) 14:29, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That argument is not valid. You're not supposed to be removing the MFD tag in the first place. I note that Longevitydude has once again, removed the MFD tag. I've reinserted it and have left a message on his talk page telling him to not remove the tag. CommanderLinx (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selectively blank The lists of oldest people should be removed and, as Ricky81682 noted, Nick can still help maintain similar lists elsewhere. The userboxen are fine, and deleting them seems overly drastic. --BDD (talk) 20:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd be fine with this solution provided that there's no restriction against nominating the page for deletion if the material is re-added. Ca2james (talk) 16:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Please keep my page. Nick Ornstein (talk) 19:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply - Read User:Ca2james's reply above and also read through WP:UP#OWN which clearly states that "They are not a personal homepage, and do not belong to the user." CommanderLinx (talk) 06:54, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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