Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-02-20 Poodle hybrid

Wikipedia Mediation Cabal
Article	Poodle hybrid
Status	closed
Request date	Unknown
Requesting party	Unknown
Parties involved	Dvedgar, Zetawoof, Nismonx
Mediator(s)	Rudget
Comment	No comments or discussion after a proposal for resolution one week ago.

• Zetawoof (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Dvedgar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Nismonx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

deleting pictures and picking and choosing them and removing ones

have no pictures

If the parties involved in this case are willing to accept me as their mediator for the duration of this course, I am willing to declare involvement. This will be my first case as a mediator on behalf of the Mediation Cabal, so forgive me for any mistakes. Hopefully we can make progress in this situation and be satisfactorily resolved in a suitable time period. Rudget. 18:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't sound like a particularly constructive solution to me. Nismonx, what's your specific concern with what I've been doing, and why haven't you brought it up with me on my talk page or on the article talk page? Zetawoof_(ζ) 20:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have been picking and choosing breeds of dogs to display with the page. deleting the ones you don't like the article would be much better with no images then. It makes no sense to show only certain breeds of them anyway especially when some of them are common breeds. Just deleting them and choosing a few is a poor solution also. Nismonx

Well, the number of images that have been placed on the article is such that we can't keep all of them - more than once, I've trimmed the images when their combined height exceeded the length of the article. There isn't enough space in the article to use every image of a poodle hybrid which we have, but that also doesn't mean that having no images at all makes the article better - how do you figure that "choosing a few is a poor solution"? Take a look at List of dog breeds, for instance - there are certainly far more breeds listed there than we could ever hope to have images for, so instead editors have picked and chosen a few high-quality images which are good representatives of their breeds. I see no reason why this article should be treated any differently. Zetawoof_(ζ) 04:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the history of the page it appears that it is quite active, especially with IP editors, so it is necessary to keep on top of the situation, to ensure that any unverified material or otherwise inappropriate content hasn't been added. At it's height, the Poodle hybrid page has consisted of ~6 images, which is quite a lot in consideration of the relatively small table and introduction it contains. The List of dog breeds is a good example of how this can be stemmed effectively without the conveyance of information becoming affected. However, with lists it can be complicated - for example, List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Greater London and Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester are two different lists, and this is where whether the amount of images used is appropriate or not. The former contains only one image but has a relatively large amount of information, whilst the former has more information contained in tables, and at the same time having a larger number of images. I think that if the list could look something on the List of dog hybrids page, where there is three columns, that could work on the poodle hybrid article aswell. The page may also need a copyedit (sometimes abbreviated to 'ce') to the lead section. Nismonx (talk · contribs), I see you requested page protection a few times (viewable from the page history), if you would like to this to happen you would have to visit this page with the template that you used, but I must tell you that as it stands, the article would not recieve a successful attempt at protection. There also seems to have been a discussion regarding the removals of the images on the talk page, but no such response has been made since June 2007. I would suggest to Nismonx that we could use this report as a submission whereby we can use it as a 'stepping stone' as an alternative to 'a progression stage'. I'm sure this discussion could be moved to the talk page, but as a mediator, I have no direct say, and I will still be willing to discuss changes on here if that is what is desired. Rudget. 16:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]