Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 November 10

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File:Foreman david.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Frasierfan (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned File, Unknown Subject, no use to keep  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:21, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Tracy2011small.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by TracyRenee (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

orphaned user's image; no other encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 04:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Young Maestro 01.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Anand 023 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

orphaned, subject not ID'd Skier Dude (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned user image; no other encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 05:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:SGIS.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Southcote (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

orphaned user-made logo; no target article & no encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 07:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:BirdLogo.gif (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Crazy-dancing (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

orphaned user-created logo; lq; no encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 07:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE - I was the uploader and the image is now redundant. Crazy-dancing (talk) 12:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Blue Lightning2.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Dust man43 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

OR, LQ, no encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 07:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Walldarts.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Bobnifty (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

OR, LQ, no encyc use - user's only contribution Skier Dude (talk) 07:30, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Slide3.JPG (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Doocool (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

OR, floorplan for unnamed building Skier Dude (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. The video, being simply an excerpt of a CCTV recording with minimal human editing, appears to fail the threshold of originality necessary for copyright in the US. The watermark logo similarly appears to be plain text and a "play" icon, which is clearly PD-textlogo, and is also incidental (although I do agree that if a version can be found without watermarking, that should be uploaded instead). Anomie⚔ 03:50, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Yue Yue Accident.ogv (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Syukri Abd Rahman (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The "non-free historic image" template only applies to images, not videos. Wikipedia's Image use policy only covers image use, in regards to fair use. There is no equivalent policy which permits "fair use" of copyrighted video material, otherwise we would have terabytes of video data that anyone would deem "historically significant" to be hosted on Wikipedia. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 16:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Really long TL;DR comment to clarify my argument: To clarify the potential issue, and why Wikipedia's policies concerning image use should never be used to dictate video footage use, especially in regards to non-free content, is that "historically significant" in itself is quite ambiguous. Regarding non-free fair use of images, such images are permitted on Wikipedia given that they are low-resolution, of relevance to an article, and are used fairly. They provide adequate information to depict the subject, but without being overkill in regards to how much copyrighted detail is provided (which is why high-resolution images that are non-free are always resized to a smaller image). However, with video footage, what detail is enough detail? Is the entire video footage of an incident necessary, when a still image could clearly suffice? A still frame provides enough visual information to depict the subject, without being overkill with copyrighted detail. Now I'm not saying that all video footage on Wikipedia is bad - if it is free (e.g. Creative Commons, Public Domain due to expiry), then by all means inclusion is beneficial. However, if we are permitting non-free video footage on Wikipedia simply because it is "historically significant", then why not have people upload the entirety, or a portion of Independence Day (film)? It won film of the year award of (this festival) in (this year), any film-buff from WikiProject Films would argue that it is "historically significant". Similarly, why not upload the entire Paris Hilton sex tape on Wikipedia? It's significant and notable, and would be relevant on its respective article. What dictates what is "fair use" of video footage on Wikipedia? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 16:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't agree that a video is per se a NFCC violation. I can imagine a video in which a still frame would be insufficient to capture the important part for readers. (And just because some film would be allowed doesn't mean that any film would be allowed - it would be scrutinized on a case-by-case basis, just like images are. Also, from a legal perspective, video clips can definitely be fair use - how do you think the Daily Show remains on the air, to give a trivial example?) I think you'd be better off arguing that a still frame here would still serve the same educational purpose, and thus a video isn't warranted. Could you elaborate on that argument instead? Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a Wikipedia policy that covers video use? The template currently used only applies to use of images. You cannot use an image template for a video. In addition, "unique historic image" is disputable - how is this "uniquely historic", in comparison to video footage of the death of JFK or the birth of (insert British royal here)? Will we still remember this incident 50 years down the track, just like how we still remember the death of Martin Luther King Jr. today? Plus, the video footage is watermarked, and is indirectly an advertisement for Youku; this is at odds with WP:PILLAR, which prohibits commercial promotion, and is also related to WP:WATERMARK, which prohibits the watermarking of still images. It would be a different case if the original, vanilla video footage was used, but since the video we have here is watermarked by Youku, we definitely cannot use it within a free encyclopedia ("free" as in freedom, not beer; alternatively "libre, not gratis"). -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:25, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I think that it is borderline violating 3.b. of the WP:NFCC; just as how a large resolution image is not preferable to a small resolution image, a length of film is not preferable to a single frame which adequately depicts the topic. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:27, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• The video is not as essential as to justify the use of someone else's copyrighted material. In policy terms, the video doesn't meet NFCC #8; its omission would not be detrimental to readers' understanding of the topic, especially since the text is more detailed than what is easily seen in the video. Also, per NFCC #1, there is a free equivalent that serves the same encyclopedic purpose: the article's textual description of events. Quigley (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll preface my remarks by saying I haven't familiarized myself with the policies on fair use of video. However, I strongly disagree with the comment above that the purpose of the video would be served as well by a single image. The impact of the event, and its widespread notoriety, was not derived from a moment in which the child was lying in the street, as an image would depict, but by the duration of time during which she lay there while passersby entered and exited her vicinity without acting, which can only be shown through video. I do think the video that made this event famous is an essential element in providing a complete treatment of the topic. That being said, I wouldn't be bothered by linking to the video on an external site rather than hosting it here, although if at some point no external site were available, I'd argue for hosting it here. Theoldsparkle (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I wouldn't see why we shouldn't link to an off-wiki website hosting the video. This approach is fine, as those who wish to view the video have the option of doing so, whilst adhering to the main values of Wikipedia being a libre source of information. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Question: I was reading this discussion and checking over all of the source material in preparation for closing this discussion, and realized that this might be public domain on account of lack of sufficient creative authorship. Since the video came from a surveillance camera, it would seem to be ineligible for copyright because there was no creative authorship involved here. That's how we ended up with File:Speed camera in Mount Rainier, Maryland demonstrating speed violation, photo 1.jpg, for instance, which comes from a speed camera, which is ineligible for copyright on account of lack of sufficient creative authorship. Considering that the PRC is a signatory to the Berne Convention, one would think that would be the case. Can someone please confirm that this is in fact the case in the PRC? SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, File:Speed camera in Mount Rainier, Maryland demonstrating speed violation, photo 1.jpg isn't watermarked by an ad-revenue based website. The Maryland image is free in both gratis and libre; the "File:Yue Yue Accident.ogv" video is not libre. 优酷 and 优酷拍客 are registered trademarks and the copyright property of Youku.com Inc. (NYSE: YOKU). Both copyrighted and trademarked icons appear throughout the video file, on every single frame. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 06:07, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, another question for you, then, since I am not familiar with Chinese characters. Are the characters shown on screen just text, similar to how wordmarks with no other graphics are public domain due to being only text, no matter how ornate the font. For example, File:New Walmart Logo.svg is public domain due to its being only text and simple geometric shapes. I have a feeling that it is the case that this is just text in Chinese without any additional graphics, but please confirm. Otherwise, for trademarks, we can tag the file description page with {{trademark}} and be done with it. The fact that someone took a public domain video and watermarked their pd-text logo on it doesn't affect the copyright status. I have a feeling that a keep-and-move-to-Commons close is likely going to be the result of this. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • It is definitely a copyrighted icon, and not simple typographic shapes. The "拍" within 优酷拍客 is in the shape of a "Play" button (like on an iPod or something), and this is the trademark logo of 优酷拍客. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 13:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd also like to add though, {{trademark}} has nothing to do with us here, as we are not incorporating this video on an article about Youku to demonstrate its logo; the problem with the trademark being WP:WATERMARKed on this video is that it acts as an advertisement for the website, which does not conform with the values of a free encyclopedia, similar to why we don't put "BUY NIKE AIRS, $29 OFF!" ad banners on the sides, instead of having Jimbo specifically pledge for donations. Even if it were the case that the trademark doesn't meet originality (in which it does), it still does not resolve the watermarking issue. It inclines people who watch the video (and who can read Chinese) to go to the Youku website. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 13:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I am inclined to run the rapids on this one, particularly because it's the English language Wikipedia and not Chinese Wikipedia. I've changed the license to PD-ineligible on the description, but if we run across a copy of the same video that does not have a watermark on it, that should be uploaded over it. So keep on this one. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:15, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • I agree: keep. Badon (talk) 20:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • >I am inclined to run the rapids on this one, particularly because it's the English language Wikipedia and not Chinese Wikipedia.
            Sorry, I don't quite understand the reasoning behind that one. Are you saying that I can upload copyvios on the Chinese Wikipedia, as long as it is written in the English language? An unfree piece of media is an unfree piece of media, regardless of language. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 01:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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no indication on source page (now dead, see archive link) that this image is free-use. uploader is blocked as a sockmaster. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, no source, uploader has contributed copyright violations (see above) Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Kefaya demo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Zerida (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, no stated source, doubtful own work because uploader has contributed copyright violations (see above) Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, no source, uploader has contributed copyright violations Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, no stated source, unlikely that uploader (who has uploaded copyright violations) personally took this low-res, professional-quality image Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:A friend and Ionix.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Ionix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned userphoto. Kelly ^hi! 18:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:AllisonWeissbyZlatkoUnger.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Z the Photographer (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphan, unencyclopedic. Kelly ^hi! 19:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:User created egypt coat of arms.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

only used on userpage, highly doubt this graphic is self-made, uploader has lied about the source of other images Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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highly doubt that this professional-quality graphic is self-made, user has lied about source of other images Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphan, possibly non-free derivative work. Kelly ^hi! 19:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:SaintMauriceDepartureFromEgypt.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I doubt that uploader took this picture because even his high-res snapshotty images have turned out to be copyvios (e.g. File:StCatherineChurchAlexandria.jpg) and he has lied left and right about the soruces for his images Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned userphoto. Kelly ^hi! 19:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:CopticCross4.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I highly doubt that uploader (serial copyvio uploader) created this professional-quality graphic from scratch Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:ProposedEgyptianFlag.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

used only on user talk page, i highly doubt that anything uploaded by Lanternix is own work Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Andie deroux jpg.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Deroux (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned userphoto. Kelly ^hi! 19:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:BibliothecaAlexandrinaInside.JPG (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Lanternix has repeatedly claimed that images (even relatively high-res, snapshotty images) are his own work, and many are confirmed to be blatant copyvios with Lanternix just lying and saying he took them. i think we should delete this to be on the safe side. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:StanleyBridge.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Lanternix has repeatedly claimed that images (even relatively high-res, snapshotty images) are his own work, and many are confirmed to be blatant copyvios with Lanternix just lying and saying he took them. i think we should delete this to be on the safe side. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:NagHammadiFuneral.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unnecessary to have a non-free image to show a funeral when the article is about the massacre and the funeral is incidental; source info given is insufficient to identify copyright holder so we can't do WP:NFCC analysis Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

keep funerals are intimately associated with cause of death, replace with image of massacre (highly unlikely). Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 18:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it met WP:NFCC8 (is that what you're addressing?), it would still fail WP:NFCC10 and possible WP:NFCC2 and others because the copyright holder and source are not identified. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:PopeNagHammadi.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Lanternix (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unnecessary to have a non-free image to show a generic victim being visited in the hospital (does not tell readers anything important about the massacre); source info given is insufficient to identify copyright holder so we can't do WP:NFCC analysis Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bag surface cooperate with washing machine and makes washing easier and quiklier.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Ancatdubh43 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphan, possibly non-free. Kelly ^hi! 19:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Baked clay sculpture by pantea rahmani.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Pantea rahmani (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned user image. Kelly ^hi! 19:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:PedderBay8.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Afanous (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

uploaded by sock of serial copyright violator Lanternix, low res --> likely copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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photo by contemporary artist marked public domain Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Beecow2.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by D0dg3 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphan, unencyclopedic. Kelly ^hi! 19:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned Wikipedia screenshot. Kelly ^hi! 19:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bemah Menorah by David Ascalon Ascalon Studios.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Toksook (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphan, probably non-free derivative work. Kelly ^hi! 19:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned logo. Kelly ^hi! 20:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Unused and orphaned image. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 20:31, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced, apparent upload for vandalism purposes. Fæ (talk) 22:55, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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