Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/The Simpsons (season 14)/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 22:50, 16 May 2009 [1].

The Simpsons (season 14)

Nominator(s): Scorpion ⁰⁴²²

This is my first Simpsons-related list in quite some time, so... Yay. As always, all concerns will be addressed by me. Enjoy. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 20:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - The plots should be consistent in size. There are some that are 2 lines long, and others that are 4 lines long (that's a big difference in word count). I'm not sure if the other season lists that are featured for The Simpsons is like this, but I have to ask, why is the lead being treated like the body of the article? The lead should summarize, not be the primary substance of reading. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 20:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Some are, some aren't, it depends on the article. The Simpsons (season 8) has a large lead, while The Simpsons (season 5) uses sections. I just felt that everything seemed to work better in the lead, rather than having more sections. As for the plots, I'll see what I can do about making them consistant. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then maybe we should think about drafting some amendments to WP:MOSTV's section on LOE pages to state something to the effect of "By definition a page is generally identified as a 'list' because it lacks the necessary amount of prose to be considered an 'article'. As such, the lead may sometimes be converted to be the sole location of certain information because...blah blah" (this would need to be hashed out on the MOSTV page), because right now this would fail (and so would the other page) the criteria for meeting the guideline standards (which would be MOSTV and LEAD). I mean, I have no probably is this is going to be the growing trend among LOE type of pages (and it kind of makes sense...it's hard, and dumb, to summarize a list of names that are going to appear two inches below the lead). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - So you think I should move all of the writer/director/cast info to a "cast & crew" section? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I think at the moment, that would be the best bet because, even though LEAD doesn't dictate List pages, at the moment it's all we have next to MOSTV (which just follows that LEAD says). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay, a section has been created. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 00:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check the toolbox, there is one dab link. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 00:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I cannot find a source listed for the airdates, at least not one in-text cited. Is it the source that's at the end of the plot, or is that solely for the plot? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, the source at the end covers everything. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - It might be good to put a source in the infobox or the lead sentence for the beginning and ending. You could just use the two you have in the episode table, or possibly TV Guide's website or MSN's website, since they should list every episode for the season. Just a thought on that. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Many areas of unclear wording and awkwardness.

No need to link United States in the infobox.
- Fixed.
"amongst "-->among (mutiple occurences)
- Fixed.
"could have sworn it's been 302."-->"could have sworn it's been 302".
- Fixed.
"Hank Azaria ~~also~~ won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Voice-Over Performance for voicing ~~various~~ characters in the episode "Moe Baby Blues"."
- Removed the also, but I think the various should stay in. The sentence reads better with it in there.
"The show also won four Annie Awards in 2003" The show, or the season of the show? You give a year for the Annie Awards, but not for Emmys...?
- Fixed.
"including it's twelve consecutive " wrong "it's", and "twelve"-->12th
- Fixed.
"Other nominations include: "'Scuse Me While I Miss the Sky", which was nominated for an Environmental Media Award for Best Television Episodic Comedy,[12] the series was nominated for a Golden Globe Award in 2003,[13] and Chris Ledesma was nominated for a Golden Reel Award for Best Sound Editing in Television Animation – Music for his work on "Large Marge".[14]" This listing doesn't make grammatical sense; when you isolate the listed items, you see the problems: "Other nominations include: ... the series was nominated for a Golden Globe..." Suggest:

Other nominations include: "'Scuse Me While I Miss the Sky", nominated for the Environmental Media Award for Best Television Episodic Comedy [in year?]; the series, nominated for the Golden Globe Award in 2003;[13] and Chris Ledesma, nominated for the Golden Reel Award for Best Sound Editing in Television Animation – Music for his work on "Large Marge" [on date?].[14]

Fixed.

So, "Treehouse of Horror XIII" actually contains mini-episodes within itself? Please explain.
- Done.
"Homer attempts to feel intoxicated breathing thin" Needs "by" after "intoxicated".
"Homer attempts to feel intoxicated breathing thin air on top of a mountain, licking toads and giving blood. However, he is sent on a taxi home in his drunken state. Unbeknown to Homer, the taxi is part of the show Taxicab Conversations; consequently, he rants about his family. " You say Homer attempted to feel intoxicated, but then the next sentence affirms that Homer was actually intoxicated. Then, "consequently": So Homer rants about his family because he doesn't know about being featured on Taxicab Conversations (is this a fictional show?)? Doesn't make sense. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I rewrote that entire section. I'll also give all of the other summaries a copyedit. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 22:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Bart learns that he was once a child actor in commercials and all the money earned was blown by Homer." "blown" is much too regional and colloquial in register, and what exactly did he blow it on?
I'd like to know whom the guest stars act as.
"~~in the process~~ becoming the pride of the town" She becomes the "pride of the town" (another questionable phrase) during the spelling bee or in being selected for the Spell-lympics?
"However George Plimpton" No need for "However", there is no contradiction here.
"out on the date." "the date"? The definitive, all-time date? I think you mean "a date".
"The noise starts to ruin their lives" I think "disrupt" is a better word.

All this to show that you need an outside copy-editor is needed. Not withdrawing my oppose just yet. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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