Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/T-ara discography/archive1

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T-ara discography

Featured list candidates/T-ara discography/archive1

Nominator(s): Simon (talk) 05:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The list focuses on the discography of South Korean girl group T-ara. Personally speaking, this list is suitable for a FL candidate as it is comprehensive and fully detailed, as well as references are OK and reliable. Simon (talk) 05:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TerryAlex

:Hi HĐ, just wondering if you know there is anyways we can verify the Japanese/Oricon sales number? I know some have ranking.oricon.jp for the references, but sometimes I'm just confused on where those numbers come from. I'm not just talking about Tara discography page, but I also looked at GG discography recently and saw the same thing.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, as Oricon sources are fragile I think we should include archiveurls as well. Thanks for reminding, I'm checking the sources at T-ara discography. Simon (talk) 09:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I am concerned the Oricon sources are still good and have no problems. Simon (talk) 09:15, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

HĐ, I find it quite hard to keep track of the sales numbers, I guess we are aware not every K-pop sales number is up-to-date on Wikipedia, or they are up-to-date but but there aren't any sources lying around to confirm them, accept for maybe OneHallyu, which isn't considered to be a RS. What do you think about this?

Back to Tara's discography, I think you should elaborate a bit more about the last 3 EPs that they released. As far as I'm concerned, they ranked quite high on the Gaon chart so there should be an indication of that. It looks incomplete to me to end the paragraph with "The group has released three further EPs, Again, And & End, and So Good from 2013 to 2015". --TerryAlex (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sales are not required to be up to date I think. Several artists' discographies do not have the latest sales figures up to 2016, some of them even date back to 2009 or earlier. About their 3 latest EPs, I'm considering expanding it. Thanks! Simon (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have trimmed the lead a bit. Their latest 3 EPs have been added their positions of the Gaon but I did not add too much information as they do not contribute much to T-ara's career like their previous releases. Simon (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

HĐ, I went through the references:

Reissues: No chart position reference for Mirage
Singles: I see a reference for "Log In" under Korean Hot 100, but that song was not included as a part of the overall chart
Promotional singles & Collaboration singles: you should clean up the references under Korean Billboard, since many of those don't apply
Other charted song: Gaon - no references for "Hurt" and "Don't Get Married", Korean Billboard chart also has many redundant references that don't apply.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned up a bit. Added source for Mirage position. "Hue" and "Love Game" should have Billboard positions when registered. Thanks so much! Simon (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about formatting so can't comment on that, but the content looks good to me.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any concern left? Simon (talk) 10:18, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No concern left for me :)--TerryAlex (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So would you mind voicing your support? =) It's been nearly a month and there are no comments lately... Simon (talk) 08:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

HĐ, I reread the lead paragraphs, though the last 3 EPs only managed modest success, is there really nothing else to say? Maybe you can mention the single "Number 9" reaching top 5.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Not sure if there is any minor issues I'm not being aware of, but the article looks good and well-sourced. The lead paragraph covers the topic nicely.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Random86

*Comments and suggestions:

- Remove deprecated parameters from the infobox
  - ~~I don't get this point~~ Done
- For "L—R", should an em dash really be there? Something like "From left" might be better.
  - Done
- Should there be refs for all the album release dates? There are refs for some but not all. I don't know if this is required.
  - Added all references for release dates
- I think it would be a good idea to use Template:Small instead of <small> for (with Chopsticks Brothers), (Ballad version) etc because it will display as 85% on all browsers. <span style="font-size:85%;"> can be replaced with that template as well. (On my browser, <small> is smaller than 85%.)
  - Done
- Produce 101 should be in italics
  - Done
- In Note A, "and therefore there" doesn't sound right; maybe replace with "so".
  - Fixed
- Korea K-Pop Hot 100 wasn't discontinued by Billboard Korea until July 2014.
  - The source given says the last chart was issued on May 10, 2014
- There is some inconsistency with the Korean song titles (some are in notes and some aren't). I think it might be better to have it like "You Drive Me Crazy" (너 때문에 미쳐), and just explain the different English translations in the notes; something like Also translated as "I Go Crazy Because of You". "Wae Ireoni" is the only title in Korean; is there a reason for that?
  - Fixed
- The table formatting for Gaon/Billboard peak chart positions is different in the singles table, compared to collaboration singles, promotional singles and other charted songs. Can you change those to match?
  - I think not, as the official singles additionally appeared on Japanese/US charts, while the collaboration and promotional singles only appear on the Korea-related charts.
- "number one single" should be "number-one single"
  - Done
- "of Gaon Album Chart" should be "of the Gaon Album Chart", for consistency
  - Done
- Ideally, there should be archive urls for all the Gaon Chart references, since we never know when the site will change.
- Citation 28 – I don't think Pann is a reliable source (user-generated); use Oricon instead.
  - Changed
- Citation 2 needs more parameters filled in—the Korean title, work (OSEN), author (Lee Hye-rin)
  - Done
- I also think might be a good idea to mention "Number Nine" in the lead. Maybe "Sugar Free" too (T-ara's highest charting single on World Digital Songs)?
  - @Random86: Done all. Thanks so much! — Simon (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

–Random86 (talk) 06:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@HĐ: The lead looks complete now, but "all of which" in the last paragraph should be "both of which".

Done

The Billboard chart was still published in Korea until July 16 [2]; the source you have is from US Billboard.

Fixed

I don't understand what you said about the table formatting for peak chart positions; I still think it should be consistent. The font sizes are different (90% vs 85%), and <small> is making it even smaller. The singles section says "Hot100" and the others say "Billboard".

Fixed

Korean text should have the lang

Support. I believe this now meets the featured list criteria. Great work! Random86 (talk) 07:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: the archive links by Cyberbot II on the article talk page should be checked. {{Contains Korean text}} and {{Contains Japanese text}}} could be merged by using {{Contains special characters}} with custom options. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Finnusertop: Thanks for notifying those issues. I have addressed all. — Simon (talk) 15:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: the |title= parameter in titles that contain Japanese or Korean should be |script-title=ja: or |script-title=ko:. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Finnusertop: Done. Simon (talk) 03:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Finnusertop: So your vote is support or...? — Simon (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing, Simon, I support. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:02, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Spotchecks: refs 17, 36, 50, 64, 73 checked; 50 has a problem- it claims to cite that the Korean hot 100 stopped in July 2014, but unless I'm missing something that ref, while showing the purported last week, doesn't explicitly show that there were never any weeks after

Ref 50 fixed. Simon (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting: A lot of the online refs seem to be missing accessdates; at first I thought you were omitting them when you had an archive, but even when you don't you miss some.

Accessdates have been added. Simon (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensive: Check. --Pres N 21:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the source checking. Simon (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by AJona1992

Very well written and detailed article, I couldn't find any flaws in the article. There is, however, a CS1 error with FN#50; once this is fixed I can support the article. Best – jona ✉ 13:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks so much! Simon (talk) 14:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I now support the article's promotion. Best – jona ✉ 18:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, source review passed, promoting. --Pres N 15:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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