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The list was promoted by Giants2008 02:24, 2 November 2015 [1].

List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Vuelta a España

List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Vuelta a España (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Relentlessly (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The 2015 Vuelta a España was the third of the three-week cycling Grand Tours in 2015 and was a fantastic race, decided in the final kilometres of the final climb. This list is closely modelled after List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Tour de France, which was recently promoted to featured list status, and I think this is very close too. Relentlessly (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Lemonade51 (talk) 20:43, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The 2015 Vuelta a España was the 70th edition of the race, which is one of cycling's three Grand Tours." there is something troubling about the lead sentence, reads as though two different statements have been mushed together to make one. The second clause has nothing to do with the first. Perhaps "The 2015 Vuelta a España was the 70th edition of the race, which is one of cycling's three Grand Tours."?
  • "The race included three days in Andorra, including the whole of stage 11," repetitive verb
  • "The riders came from 32 countries. France, Spain and Italy all had 20 or more riders in the race", link both sentences with a semicolon.
  • Under 'teams', "Two French teams, Cofidis and Team Europcar, were also invited. MTN-Qhubeka were invited for the second consecutive year...," repetitive.
  • MOS:DTT could be applied to No. row for table 'By starting number'
  • Publishers for Ref 1, 2 seeing as the other refs have publishers included. Lemonade51 (talk) 16:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Lemonade51. I've addressed all of your points except the DTT one. Which specific section are you referring to? One thing I realise is slightly different from 2015 Tour list, which is already featured, is that that list uses th cells for the riders' names. Is that what you mean? It already uses {{{1}}}. Relentlessly (talk) 16:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
| scope="row" data-sort-value="Froome, Chris" should be ! scope="row" data-sort-value="Froome, Chris"; replace with exclamation mark before each scope="row". Lemonade51 (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Lemonade51. That page could do with rewriting at some point: I find even the basic guide hard to follow! The page is fixed now, in any case. Relentlessly (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "The race was won by Fabio Aru (Astana). Aru first took..." would change the second use of Aru to he, to avoid repeating his name in close proximity.
  • "One prominent team to miss out on an entry was UnitedHealthcare." -> One prominent team not invited was United Healthcare.
  • In the lead it says 32 different countries were represented, yet in the by country table it says 37...which one is it?
  • This is more personal preference, but there isn't much use to including qoutes in the references.

NapHit (talk) 09:53, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, NapHit. The first three are done. I haven't removed the quotes from the citations. I agree they aren't necessary; in many cases, however, the page only slightly mentions the withdrawal, so it's useful to highlight it, in my view. Relentlessly (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a comment: It would be nice to have information on the youngest and oldest riders taking part, especially since there is no young rider classification. Parutakupiu (talk) 02:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Parutakupiu, thanks for your review. I have added the information you asked for. I'm afraid I reverted most of your changes, however. They introduced inaccuracies into the text (several required very deliberate phrasing). I also disagree with several of the edits you made to phrasing. I'm very willing to discuss these changes further if you wish. Relentlessly (talk) 07:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry if my edits disrupted the sense of some phrases, because I did not notice nor believe I was doing that at the time. My attempt was to promote a better flow of the prose and remove some redundancies. I'm OK with your reversal of my changes, but I see that by doing it you reintroduced some issues, such as beginning sentences with numbers ("158 riders finished...") or – less problematic – having very short sentences that could be linked with adjacent ones. I noticed another problem: the riders' ages do not sort correctly in the table. Parutakupiu (talk) 15:39, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Good catch on the table: it was a problem I noticed on the equivalent Giro list but forgot to fix here. Done now. WRT the other points, I am very careful with how I write my prose: I almost never use absolute constructions (stylish in Latin, fine in spoken English, odd in written English) and I deliberately do not join sentences together unless they are closely linked. I also prefer short sentences to long ones if the shorter sentence conveys the information more clearly. And I see no reason not to start sentences with numerals if it's the most direct way of making the point, but I have edited the relevant sentence in this case; it's certainly no worse. I'm curious about the rule though: I've never heard it before and I write English for a living! Relentlessly (talk) 17:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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