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List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Giro d'Italia

Featured list candidates/List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Giro d'Italia/archive1

Nominator(s): Relentlessly (talk) 15:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is the final Grand Tour teams and cyclists list of the 2015 season. I have already nominated List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Vuelta a España and List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Tour de France for FL and both have passed; I've also recently taken the main race article to GA-status. This list is closely modelled after the other two lists, although the sourcing for the Giro is a bit harder! Relentlessly (talk) 15:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:50, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"(English: Tour of Italy" missing a parentheses
- Done. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"In October 2014" should be a comma at the end here
- Done. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"...~~had~~ revealed an low level of cortisol.
- Done. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"197 riders therefore started the first stage of the race.[4] These came from 36 countries." I would merge these two sentences and "therefore" in the first sentence is redundant.
- I agree that the second sentence needs merging, but I have merged it into the following sentence. I can't see how "therefore" is redundant": it's precisely the conclusion of the preceding two sentences. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"...~~were~~ obliged to attend the race." don't need this were, whhen it is already used earlier in the sentence.
- I disagree here: I actually added the second "were" in for the sake of clarity. When I first read it, it read as "the teams obliged to enter", which is syntactically valid and confusing. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
" they were officially confirmed to the race..." -> their entry in the race was officially confirmed.
- Done. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Italian riders won the highest number." I would state the number
- Done. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure you use en dashes in the title of your sources. I noticed 4 and 5 need en dashes, there may be more
- I think I've got them all. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Does the Giro website really not have a list of all the finishers? Seems a little odd.
- All finishers, yes. But not all the associated information. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 23:29, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit Many thanks for your comments. Replies inline. Relentlessly (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Fantastic work. Kudos on improving all the Grand Tour related lists for this year! NapHit (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support I can't find anything that I'd change with the list. Good work again. Disc Wheel (T + C) 18:42, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The "by team" tables seem to be a bit redundant. Nergaal (talk) 20:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nergaal, I do know what you mean. They are, however, present in all the other equivalent lists, e.g. the two linked above. I see it as reflecting the difficult thing in cycling where riders are both riding for themselves and as part of teams. Relentlessly (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- Sure, but it doesn't seem to add much beyond what is in the big table. Nergaal (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - I know what you mean: there is a level of redundancy. It is a well established convention, however, and I think it is informative. Do you have any other comments, Nergaal? Relentlessly (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 01:51, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Parutakupiu

Don't see the need for an English translation of the race's name, since it's quite known by the original naming. Even if it was necessary, it should be placed after Giro d'Italia.
"Although it took place principally in Italy, the route also took the riders into France and Switzerland." – I would replace the second "took" for "led", to avoid close repetition.
"The 17 UCI WorldTeams were automatically invited and were obliged to attend the race." – Drop the second "were" here, and in the same occurrence in the "Teams" section.
"He regained the lead the following day, however, in the race's only..." – No need for "however".
Two sentences start with numerals ("197 riders therefore..." and "168 riders completed...") which is not advised by WP:NUMNOTES. Rephrase them so that those figures are moved inside the sentence.
In "By nationality" section, you say "The 198 riders that competed in the 2015 Giro d'Italia represented 36 different countries.". This is not entirely true, since the riders did not represent countries but their own teams. Maybe say "originated from" instead of "represented"?
The world map image caption has "2015 Vuelta a España" instead of "2015 Giro d'Italia".
Refs 4, 5 and 6 link to different pages in the same website but they have the exact same formatting. Although they are correctly formatted, maybe you could disambiguate the title of each link? For example, by appending "Results", "Startlist" and "Statistics" at the end?

— Parutakupiu (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- Stepping in for @Relentlessly: here. All your comments should be addressed now @Parutakupiu:. NapHit (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Made a final copyedit run through the lead to improve prose flow. Please check if it's up to your liking. Cheers. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:51, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, Parutakupiu for your comments, and many thanks NapHit for stepping in and doing some editing while I haven't been. I've made a couple of small changes in the lead for flow. I have changed it back to "were obliged" as "The teams obliged to enter" would make some sense and it is how I naturally read it without the additional "were". Finally, I disagree that the riders don't represent their countries (they do, for example win points in the World Tour rankings for their countries), but I'm content with the edit. Relentlessly (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Not keen on the opening sentence, the repeat of "Giro d'Italia" is clunky.
Map is not accessible, using just colours to denote the number of riders from each country. Also no alt text.
"enter nine riders, the initial startlist consisted of 198 riders." repeat of riders here, perhaps competitors one time?
"(Tinkoff–Saxo)" perhaps it's better to say "riding for the Tinkoff–Saxo team" for those who are unclear what that means.
Should link general classification, either to the general article, or the one specific to the Giro, as it's a technical term.
"with more than a minute" no need for "with" here.
UCI WorldTeams links to different things in different setions: to UCI World Tour in the lead and List of 2015 UCI WorldTeams and riders in the Teams section.
Could link other classifications in the lead as well.
We have HD and DSQ (why not DQ?) in the key but they don't appear to be used anywhere?
Are those little jersey icons accessible to screen readers?
Use multiplication symbol instead of "x" for "times" in the stage win table.

Otherwise very good. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, The Rambling Man and Parutakupiu for your comments and Naphit for your work. I'll be on this later today. Sorry, have been away for a little while. Relentlessly (talk) 09:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, The Rambling Man, in order:

Reworded. I agree fully.
Somehow I had two {{{1}}} parameters, with the empty one obscuring the valid one. Fixed. The image duplicates the information lower down the page: should I reference that in the alt text?
I've used "men", rather than "competitors". Not a word used often in cycling.
Done.
Already linked.
Done.
Done.
Removed. (Always DSQ in cycling. I don't know why.)
I believe so, though I'm by no means an expert. (I try hard, but it's a heavy guideline and I don't understand all of it.)
Done.

Many thanks for your comments; do let me know what you think of my changes. Relentlessly (talk) 22:39, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The Rambling Man. You've marked your comments as resolved – can I check if that's a "support"?! Thanks. Relentlessly (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Formatting wise, everything looks pretty spot on. With a fine-tooth comb, I have found that the capitalisation of refs #145 (Pier Paolo De Negri rather than Pier Paolo De negri) and #174 (Nathan Brown rather than nathan Brown) are slightly off.
I don't see any mention in ref #1 of the route entering France and Switzerland? I know Lugano is in Switzerland, so that can be extrapolated, but France? (This article suggests that only Switzerland is visited, though I appreciate there was plenty of time for things to be changed in between.)
Refs #238 and #239 could do with some disambiguation, maybe "Giro d'Italia 2015 – General Classification – Startlist" and "Giro d'Italia 2015 – General Classification – Stages"?

Otherwise, everything looks good: the prose is well paraphrased, without any evidence of copyvio, and with the exception of the point above, the facts are all well cited to reliable sources. Harrias ^talk 09:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1' 53" should be written out in full in the lead, as it is a little ambiguous in that form. Harrias ^talk 09:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Harrias. All these are dealt with. Relentlessly (talk) 09:56, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant; with that done, I'm happy to support on sources. Harrias ^talk 10:16, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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