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The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of frigates of the Indian Navy

I withdraw my nomination I sincerely apologize for taking your time in reviewing the list. There is lot of work to be done on the article. I'll renominate once its done and also after an A-class review. I request Giants2008 or PresN to close the review. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 11:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 12:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is one of the most important lists in the scope of WikiProject India. Currently a B-class list. Has good lead and prose for each section and is referenced as per the referencing guidelines. The list covers the entire required ships that are to be mentioned and each and every ship is referenced. The list is clearly sorted according to their status (active, out of service, expected) and then as per ship classes and then are the pennant number. Has a good visual appeal and is stable. I welcome opinions that help the list to be featured on the main page. Regards, KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 12:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dharmadhyaksha
  • Instead of using "<ref>" for references to books listed at the end, would suggest using Template:Sfn. See usage examples on Kalanemi (Ramayana) maybe.
  • Wikilink Royal Indian Navy on first occurrence. Its wikilinked on second.
  • Few blue-links are actually redirects. Please provide direct link as that's preferred.
  • In Fate of HMIS Dhanush you mention "Transferred to Pakistan and served as PNS Dhanush." Should it be "PNS Zulfiqar"? Same with HMIS Shamsher.
  • Cite news and cite web has been inconsistently used. maintain uniformity.
  • Ref 42 has been called twice in same place.
  • Wikilink to Displacement (ship).
  • There are two full rows in the table for decommissioned ships that call out refs 12, 52 and 45. Why full rows for ref?
  • There are few rows whose ref cells are empty.

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dharmadhyaksha: I have fixed all issues you've mentioned. Per no.4, I have corrected the wrong link with Dhanush but there is no issue with HMIS Shamsher, it is commissioned by the Pakistan as Shamsher i.e PNS Shamsher itself. Per no.5, cite news has been used to cite the articles on web which are published as a news update. For example: News on a ship is commissioned or decommissioned or scrapped taken from news websites like The Hindu, Times of India, Indian Express etc. Whereas cite web has been used to cite the web articles containing information of the ship For example: Articles from websites as uboat, gloabalsecurity, naval-history etc. Regards, KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 12:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dhanush & Shamsher points solved.
  • I actually don't care whether you use cite web or cite news. What I see is ref #33 has www.thehindu.com and #35 has The Hindu. that's one example of inconsistency. Same with Rediff I see. Sometimes you use www.blahblah.com format in refs and sometimes you have used Blah Blah. See #54 & #55 for example. At times it is www.uboat.net and at times it is uboat.net.
  • References section should be arranged alphabetically by author'a last name. Like Bhatia, Colledge, Conway, and so on...
  • Few entries of the "Decommissioned" cell are blank and few say "unknown". So what does blank mean?
  • All three tables are of different widths. Please restrict them for better looks.
  • Tables also have no titles or headers or whatever they are called. Example how all tables in here have "List of Padma Bhushan award recipients for YYYY" on top.
  • None of the tables are sortable. Its difficult to sort the Decommissioned ships table in current state. But then it is difficult to see the timeline of these without sorting. See if something can be done. Maybe shift the classes in individual rows itself.
  • In "Future ships" section wikilink Project 17A-class frigate and delink frigate. GRSE's full form should be mentioned and its location along with Mazagaon Dock's should be mentioned. I think the details on "Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate" in this section are bit too much for this list. Maybe trim that and shift all this info on its page. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Varun

I still feel the scope of improvement in the list before it becomes featured. The whole formatting can be overhauled and make the list look better. i'll make some edits in the coming days. Thanks P.S. the lead doesn't look nice VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@VarunFEB2003: Please suggest the corrections/ improvements to be made? Regards, KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 14:01, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ya i'll surely do them. A bit busy, probably tomorrow. Thanks VarunFEB2003 (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Adamgerber80
  • Disclaimer: I think this a great idea, a good start and should be built upon. I have quite a bit of constructive criticism on formatting & content which should not be misunderstood as discouragement or opposition to this article.
  • We should make the template standard across all the ships. For example, for decommissioned ships there is a commissioning and decommissioning date which is absent in the current active ships section. Currently it feels, that these tables were copied off from List of active Indian Navy ships, Future of the Indian Navy, List of ships of the Indian Navy which defeats the whole purpose of creating a separate list. Quite a bit of work needs to be done here which will be correctly copying over information from their respective class pages since all these dates exist there.
  • The introduction is weak and needs improvement. I feel the crux of the article should be how frigates have evolved in the Indian Navy, the role they currently play and the future envisioned for them. The introduction does lead there but then wavers in the end.
  • There is discussion on each class but it seems disconnected. There should be narrative connecting each of the classes. For example, what features has each class added over the other and how they differ. How has the role of each class evolved with the Blue water ambitions of the Indian Navy.

Adamgerber80 (talk) 17:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per nominator request, closing this nomination as archived. --PresN 18:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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