Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of films of the Dutch East Indies/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by NapHit 17:30, 21 October 2012 [1].

List of films of the Dutch East Indies

Featured list candidates/List of films of the Dutch East Indies/archive1

Nominator(s): — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is full documentation of films from a period and area which has received fairly little coverage in English-language media. Jstor has a French example, and this is based on an Indonesian list, but this is possibly the first example in English. With the addition of plot information (where available), this is even more detailed than previously existing examples. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 00:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Unlink Indonesia per WP:OVERLINK

Done

Any reason why text is small on key. Consider WP:ACCESS

The key format is taken from the featured list List of songs recorded by Rihanna, through List of songs recorded by Chrisye. That being said, I've pumped up the size.

Use actual sub-sections per MOS:ACCESS

It is.

Isn't "filmindonesia.or.id" the publisher, not work

No, the website is the work. The publishers are the National Library of Indonesia and Sinematek Indonesia

Double quotes (") should be single quotes (') in all references, as per MOS:QUOTEMARKS and WP:MOSQUOTE

Done.

TBran dl ey 00:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks pretty solid. TBran dl ey 00:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Had a look over this one when it was going through peer review (don't let my terrible attempt at signing fool you, that's me alright); was happy with it then and I'm still happy with it now. GRAPPLE X 05:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment just a quick one (looks like a tidy list by the way), is there any reason why, say, Si Pitoeng (1931 film) is more notable than Njai Dasima? There are a large number of unlinked films, what differentiates their notability from the linked ones? Or is it just a sneaky way of avoiding red links?! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Those already linked are those with articles. I may be able to make another five to ten DYK-able articles with the sources available, but ones like Pat Kiam Hap would never have more than what's there already. Others, like Asmara Moerni, would be stuck as eternal stubs owing to the lack of information available (unless I book a trip to Sinematek Indonesia and spend a couple weeks eating and breathing old film reviews, where possible).

The same issues apply to some of these directors and actors; Heuveldorp has almost nothing on him outside of Loetoeng Kasaroeng, and numerous actors are only known for one role. A couple directors, like Fred Young, F. Carli, and Rd Ariffin, may be doable, but I'm linking as I go. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So in reality, all of those films are of a similar level of notability so should really be linked... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming a national or interlocal (among different cities) release, possible. However, some (like Pat Kiam Hap above) are essentially known from a poster and the director's memory. I could redlink those if consensus is for it, but I wouldn't expect an article on Pat Kiam Hap or such films to survive AFD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think all films that could sustain an article should be linked... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinked those which I'm reasonably sure could support an article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

My ignorance, but you say "the country's dissolution" - I thought the East Indies was a colony, not a country?

Oomph, yeah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Dutch companies were also producing documentary films to be shown in the Netherlands" I guess you mean documentaries about the Dutch East Indies? This isn't clear.

Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The Teng Chun and the Tan Brothers" I would switch this around, just to avoid any confusion that the first The isn't a "the", it's part of someone's name...

Done. Yeah, it was the source of confusion at Alang-Alang when the article was on DYK. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Indicates uncertain year of production" I would expect to see that key being used in the year column, not the film title column.
Don't think you need the Category:Dutch East Indies as you have the more refined "Films of..." category.

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oomph, yeah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the extra comments. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Man, they had a thing for downer endings in the 20s/30s. Only comment- sometimes you italicize plot summaries when they're vague descriptions ("A martial arts story", "A bandit film, based on Zorro") but sometimes you don't ("A love story based in Cibodas", "The story of a winged horse") - what's the reason? --Pres N 18:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Standardised, thanks. I ultimately decided that what constitutes "vague" is very subjective so kept it all straight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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