Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Trump family members/archive1

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List of Trump family members

Featured list candidates/List of Trump family members/archive1

Nominator(s): CT55555(talk) 22:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~I am nominating this for featured list because~~ I think it meets the criteria and the subject is one of the world's most notable families. _{Note: my second FL nomination, made having addressed all feedback from the first one (so I think I'm compliant with process)} CT55555(talk) 22:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: It's not compliant with process, actually: "Nominators should not add a second featured list nomination until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates currently has no supports and one oppose that has not yet been struck.

That said, I'd be fine with giving that a pass if this nomination was in a good state... but it isn't. The lead is two sentences and gives essentially no context for the list, the inclusion criteria is nebulous ("immediate relatives" it says, and then starts off with his grandfather but still skips his grandchildren), it's clearly actually "relatives of Donald Trump" but then doesn't explicitly state their relationship to him, it also doesn't even state their relationship to each other so readers have no idea who any of these people are in relation to the ex-president, and it includes one spouse of a relative but no others- Kushner is just there with no explanation. Compared to Family of Joe Biden (or heck, Family of Donald Trump), it's a bit of a mess and not ready for nomination. --Pres N 01:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the process error. I'm new to this and I thought I was doing it correctly, because I had substantially addressed the points at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates/archive1 (very recently).

The feedback on the list is well received and I am happy to make improvements in the short term, or withdraw and resubmit once List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates, once two weeks has passed, or at any other point that consensus directs. CT55555(talk) 01:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I have improved the lead, refined the inclusion criteria, added a column that expresses the relationship with Donald Trump, and removed Kushner. I remain vigilant to make any other improvements suggested. CT55555(talk) 02:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per criterion 3(c), which requires that the article "does not largely duplicate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article." This just duplicates Family of Donald Trump but in tabular format. I see no reason this content fork needed to be created, and it should be redirected there because it provides no additional information, just pictures that are welcome to be added to that main article. Reywas92^Talk 03:42, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I appreciate this feedback, thank you. I felt that presenting things in list format was significantly earlier to navigate and understand, and I was guided by the WP:CLNT in making that decision. Of course, if I am at odds with guidance, policy, or consensus, I defer each of them. CT55555(talk) 03:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, the table should be merged into the family article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and merge into Family of Donald Trump. Per AirshipJungleman29, I see no compelling reason for this separate article to exist -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawing (or requesting withdrawal, I don't know the process). I can see this isn't heading in the direction of success, so seems a bit WP:SNOW and seems best for me to withdraw this. CT55555(talk) 17:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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