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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 07:11, 18 September 2012 [1].

List of The X-Files episodes

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Nominator(s): TBrandley 21:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets FL criteria. Cheers, TBrandley 21:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from CassiantoTalk 07:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments from Cassianto

I'm no good with tables and sorting etc, so I will focus on everything else

Lead section
  • "The series aired nine seasons and 202 episodes..." -- "The series aired for nine seasons and 202 episodes".
  • "Mulder became a recurring character, after legal dispute between Fox and Duchovny over payment. -- "Mulder became a recurring character, after a legal dispute between Fox and Duchovny over payment.". IMO, this sentence ends rather abruptly. Payment of what? Was the payment not enough, too much...etc
    • Not done. It doesn't further explain from in the reference itself from BBC. TBrandley 22:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Might I suggest then adding "issues" after "payment" in that case. Clearly there were issues right? Finishing with "payment" just sounds like there is a word missing and sounds weird. -- CassiantoTalk 23:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It was primarily filmed in Vancouver, British Columbia for it's first five seasons, but it transferred to Los Angeles, California for its remaining seasons." I would alter slightly as there is some repetition of "seasons". "Series' one to five were filmed primarily in Vancouver, British Columbia and transferred to Los Angeles, California for the remaining seasons." Something like that.
  • "Episodes are approximately forty-three minutes" -- "Each episodes is approximately forty-three minutes long"
  • "Various cast members have been praised by critics" -- Who were the cast members?
Thanks for the review! I've addressed all of your concerns you've added so far. Cheers, TBrandley 23:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
References

Consistency needed re formatting. For some reason, the Harvard formats for the sources within the reflist do not have periods, but everything else does.

  • Refs 67, 65, 61, 58, 47, 43, 42, 41, 40, 39, 38, 37

Not essential, but nice to adopt some kind of consistency. More to come tomorrow -- CassiantoTalk 23:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is because the cite news template was used for those. The should use that as they a news sources, rather than just web ones. TBrandley 23:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Have replied/addressed new comments. Thanks, TBrandley 23:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As always, a very good list both grammatically and aesthetically. Very informative and clearly a labour of love. -- CassiantoTalk 07:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for your review, and support. TBrandley 13:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Crisco 1492

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for reviewing! I've addressed all of your concerns, and hope you can support now. Cheers, TBrandley 00:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Kürbis (✔) 16:53, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments Looks overall good:
    • "aired for nine seasons and 202 episodes" - "nine" -> "9" per WP:MOSNUM
    • "on the Fox network" - why not just "Fox"?
      • Well, many pages, including other FAs and FLs use it. I'd personally like to keep because it makes it look neater. Cheers, TBrandley 14:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The series aired for nine seasons and 202 episodes, and centers on FBI special agents" - could be "Aired for 9 seasons and 2012 episodes, the series centers on..."
    • " who work on cases linked to the paranormal, called X-Files." - I would write: "who work on paranormal cases, the X-Files"
    • "However, the two have developed a close friendship." - This seems to be out of place. You state that she debunked his theories, but then they are friends. They can be still friends no matter if one disagrees with someone else's works
    • ", among many other executive producers." - redundant, as you already stated "along with"
    • "Each episode is approximately forty-three minutes long, without commercials," - I would write "Each commercial-free episode is..."
    • That is all for now. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the review! I addressed all of the above comments. TBrandley 14:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Lemonade51 (talk) 17:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Would be nice if the main image was related to the actual show, not the production aspect. Chris Carter would be appropriate for The X-Files#Production, but not this I feel.
  • ”…and are broadcast in both high-definition and standard” tad puzzled. Suggests that the episodes are broadcasted in two different resolutions, simultaneously? Anyway, it was never broadcasted in true HD, rather upscaled. Perhaps change to available or something like that.
  • Remove titles from season tables.
Not done. Titles as in "The X-Files season 1 episodes", "The X-Files season 2 episodes", etc, on top of the tables. Lemonade51 (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. The titles are there per the new MOS:DTT guidelines. Regards. TBrandley 17:36, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Codswallop. The tables don't even meet MOS:DTT, as rowscopes aren't correctly used. Bit excessive having titles and headings which more or less construe the same thing. Lemonade51 (talk) 17:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The captions were mandated by The Rambling Man at my FLC for List of Grey's Anatomy episodes. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with lemonade about MOS:DTT, from looking at the season 1 table it doesn't have any colscopes, but I believe the captions are fine as they are recommended by the same MOS. NapHit (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
TRM said could, that's not really the same as a requirement – rather a suggestion. It didn't really affect the user's decision to vote; by that stage the list was on course to be promoted. I'm not saying remove them because WP:IDONTLIKEIT, just that if they serve a purpose, they should be put on each episode list. Lemonade51 (talk) 17:57, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, Lemonade. I've added scope rows to the table, per MOS:DTT. But, still keep the table captions per the above, and MOS:DTT. FL director Rambling Man has also listed it as a concern on quite a few other FLCs. TBrandley 18:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rowscopes cannot be added manually because they are templates, I should have explained earlier. Lemonade51 (talk) 19:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
K then. TBrandley 19:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace 1999–00 with 1999–2000, given it is in a different century.
  • Should Amazon and Blockbuster be used as citations for release dates?
    • Yes, they are huge companies, that can't really lie. Amazon.com is used in almost every FL for region 2 dates, while Blockbuster.co.uk is a huge company, used on List of The Simpsons episodes; an FL. How are they not good? There also on List of Grey's Anatomy episodes, a brand-new FL. There isn't really anything else for those. TBrandley 14:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is Gamehead a reliable source?
    • It is really the reliable source I could find for that. It's a store, so. TBrandley 07:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lemonade51 (talk) 21:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this review. I've replied, and fixed all issues possible, as seen above. Cheers, TBrandley 15:20, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All of the issues have been now addressed. Hope you can support its promotion now. Regards. TBrandley 19:58, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I would provide a link to paranormal
  • Is it standard for episode lists to be written in present tense, despite the fact the show no longer runs? seems odd reading someone serves as an executive producer, on a show that has not had a new episode in ten years
    • Done. Wow; how could I miss that! Thanks, TBrandley 07:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Each commercial-free episode is approximately forty-three minutes long, without commercials..." I'm aware another reviewer suggested this change but there are too many issues with it. Firstly, commercial-free implies (to me at least) that when aired the episodes were not interrupted by commercials, which I'm sure was not the case. Secondly, you repeat without commercials when its not needed. Personally I would revert to the previous wording, much clearer and no ambiguity.
    • Done. I agree, personally, too. TBrandley 07:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • ref should come after punctuation, ref 9 currently does not, just move it to the end of the sentence
  • likewise ref 10
  • Recently been told not use semi-colon for bolding. In this instance you use it make key bold. Discussion is at FLC talk page, would use a caption for the key instead of this
  • Nielsen ratings table does not meet MOS:DTT, need to add col an row scopes
  • ref 11 just redirects to a paywall (I assume the link is behind the paywall), would add a note saying subscription required
  • Bibliography should be ordered alphabetically

NapHit (talk) 23:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing! I've addressed/commented to most of your above issues. Cheers, TBrandley 07:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mulder is a believer in the paranormal, and the skeptical Scully has been assigned to debunk his work." is that correct? My understanding was they are FBI agents who investigate incidents, not sure how she can debunk his work when they effectively work together. I'd like to see source backing this claim up or reworded if it can't be
    • Not done. It doesn't need to be sourced, since its from the actual episodes. Don't see why is should be changed.
I don't think its clear enough, I would change to something along the lines of what is in the second sentence of the second para in the main article. NapHit (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I've changed it up a bit. So, done. How's it now? TBrandley 20:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would perhaps consider adding a sentence in the nielsen ratings section. Firstly to clarify what it is for readers who are not aware of it. Secondly to explain its relevance and importance
Don't any elaboration on this, a sentence in the lead about nielsen ratings, to provide context for the reader would suffice. NapHit (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, whoops, sorry. Done. I've added a sentence now. Hope its okay. TBrandley 18:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Ref 9 is not published on iTunes, the computer software; it's published on the iTunes Store, the online digital media purchase center.
    • Done. Is that all? Cheers, TBrandley 17:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Aired for 9 seasons and 202 episodes, the series centers on FBI special agents Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) and Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson), who work on cases linked to the paranormal, called X-Files." -- The first part of that sentence is ungrammatically correct, because it is written in past tense, while the rest of the sentence is written in the present tense. Would read better as: "Having aired for 9 seasons and 202 episodes, the series centers on FBI special agents Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) and Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson), who work on cases linked to the paranormal, called X-Files."
  • Gamehead doesn't look like a RS.
    • As noted above, it is the most reliable source I could find for that. TBrandley 17:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok; well if you can find something else, please replace it.
  • Why isn't the viewership for some S8&9 episode available?
    • Yeah, I am not really sure. But, there are none. Think it could be due to is notably of those seasons. TBrandley 17:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for commenting. I've replied above. TBrandley 17:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Need refs for production codes.
    • There DVD set, but I don't fell referencing that is needed. TBrandley 17:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • You don't feel it is needed? They need to be cited.
        • Done. I have referenced the codes. Cheers, TBrandley 18:57, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Standardize similar column widths; the tables look messy right now.
    • What's the issue? Where is it? TBrandley 17:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Look at List of Grey's Anatomy episodes (sorry for citing my own article, it's just TRM made me do it there). The column widths for S1 episodes should be the same as the column widths for all the other season's episodes. Same goes with the other columns of the the tables.
        • K. I did. Done. I have fixed the issue. How's it now? TBrandley 19:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The last two sentences of the lead are really odd, particularly the last one. A definition of a nielsen rating does not belong as the conclusion of the lead of an article unrelated to Nielsen ratings. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Having aired for 9 seasons and 202 episodes, the series centers " prefer "The series aired for nine series and 202 episodes, and centers on..."
    • Done. But I have keep "9" as "9" per WP:MOSNUM. Also, "series" is for British shows, not American. So, I've used "season". TBrandley 14:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Eh? MOSNUM says numbers 10 and below in words. And it's not the same as episodes so it should be fine. And you used the word "series", not me, I just repeated what was already there. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • No I meant where you wrote "nine series". Anyway, I've changed from "9" to "nine". Done. TBrandley 14:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The two have developed a close friendship" an odd sentence. Perhaps, "Throughout the series, the two devlop a close friendship".
  • "recurring character", this reads odd to me because he's recurring already, do you mean he's no longer a lead actor?
    • Done. I've further explaining in the list. TBrandley 14:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Episodes were broadcast on Sundays at 9:00 pm Eastern Standard Time (EST), beginning with the fourth season.[7] The first three seasons" why in reverse order?
    • Just the way it is designed. Also like that on List of Grey's Anatomy episodes, a brand-new FL.
      • Grey's Anatomy is still airing, which is why I mentioned the current slot it is in first, and then the previous slots. For The X-Files, it is not currently airing, so I think it could go either way. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Just the way it is designed" not good enough. Where is the logic in the reverse ordering? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Done. I've changed the order. TBrandley 14:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Region 4 DVD of the first movie's release date of March 22, 2000 is unreferenced.
  • Why repeat the viewing figure ref so many times when you could either put it in a column heading or have a note below the table saying "Viewing figures source:..."?
    • Not sure. I'd prefer to just keep it like that so it isn't too complicated, etc. I, personally, don't think a note is needed. But, your the boss, so, if you'd like me to do it, I'll do it. TBrandley 14:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, I'm not the boss, but you link all the prod codes in the column heading. When one ref is used 20-odd times for each cell in a single colum in a table, you can do it just once. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Good point. Done. I just put the viewership in the heading for viewers/households, rather than all episodes for each season. How does it look now? TBrandley 14:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The X-Files have been shut down " the "The" shouldn't be part of the link.
  • Call me stupid but why does season 2 for Nielsen say 14.5 million while the peak viewership in the season table is 10.7 million?
    • Not done. The X-Files season 2 table has how many households watched it, the Nielsen table is how many viewers watched. That's why is very different. Cheers, TBrandley 14:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 68 "pp. 8C." just p.
  • Ref 69 "3C." why not "p. 3C." for consistency?
  • Ref 79 is missing a day.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your through review, TRM. I've addressed/replied to all of the above issues. Cheers, TBrandley 14:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Although I worked on this before (so I'm not sure how good my show of support is) everything I would have suggested to have been fixed is all better. This is a fine looking article, and worthy of FL! Good job TBrandley!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 18:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Sofffie7 (talk) 16:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • What does the double dagger ‡ mean? --Sofffie7 (talk) 10:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • It refers to episodes of The X-Files in the series' alien mythology arc. TBrandley 15:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, if it's not too difficult I would make a legend or write a note explaining what the symbol is; people that don't watch the show might not know what it means and I'm not even sure people that regularly watch the show actually do. It's fine with me if you think it's not necessary ;) --Sofffie7 (talk) 15:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment: At the beginning of the 'episodes' section it says: "Episodes marked with a double dagger (‡) are episodes in the series' alien mythology arc." TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great job, the list looks good. Rayman95 (talk) 22:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think the mythology arc/release might be worth a sentence in the intro. In addition, the entries Vol. x in the table should be changed to Mythology Vol. x or something like that; otherwise it is really confusing. Also, I see no reason to keep the Nielsen table separate from the overview table. Nergaal (talk) 02:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done all of your concerns. How's it look now? TBrandley 03:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 02:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "Seasons one to five were filmed primarily in Vancouver, British Columbia, and transferred to Los Angeles, California, for the remainder of the series." The seasons didn't transfer as the writing implies; the filming did. Maybe try "Filming for seasons one to five...".
    • Done. TBrandley 02:38, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • It now reads, "Filming for seasons one to five primarily in Vancover, British Columbia...". I can't in good conscience promote the list as long as that remains unfixed. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the first sentence of the third paragraph, "episode's" shouldn't have the apostrophe.
  • "The X-Files has received Nielsen ratings since its first season." Because the show isn't airing anymore, "has" should be removed.
  • The X-Files (1998): It may be confusing to readers to see "The X-Files have been shut down again", since they don't know about a past shutdown. Since there are no other summaries in a list like this, I'd remove "again" from that sentence. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for your comments. All of them have been addressed. Cheers, TBrandley 02:38, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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