Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of S.L. Benfica players (25–99 appearances)/archive1

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List of S.L. Benfica players (25–99 appearances)

Featured list candidates/List of S.L. Benfica players (25–99 appearances)/archive1

Nominator(s): Threeohsix (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it's ready to be feature. I've research it from the Almanac, with newer players being online sourced and put a lot of work into, getting the stats right and also creating about 50 new articles. Learning from my first nomination, I've corrected all of the problems pointed in the other list. Please give me feedback to anything I've might have missed. --Threeohsix (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (includes source review, ~~but need to check table figures~~) –

"Since its first edition," since the inugural league season?
- Then we would have two "inaugural" in the same paragraph, sounds better to use synonym to inaugural, don't you agree?.
"Of the players still at the club" - "Of the players still contracted to the club"
- Actually no, Benfica has about 100 players under contract. To be in the list, they must part of the first team and obviously make a minimum of 25 appearances. When they're loaned, they're not counted.
What makes thefinalball.com a high-quality, reliable source?
- It's the new name of footballzz, I know their data is reliable, and I used it because it was also used at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of FC Porto records and statistics/archive1 and deemed reliable.
No dead or dab links, can't seem to open the ones with the site mentioned above
- Works fine here.--Threeohsix (talk) 11:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Forgot to call for @Lemonade51:--Threeohsix (talk) 11:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Images have appropriate licensing as far as I'm aware Lemonade51 (talk) 01:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Be sure to add future nominations to the top of WP:FLC, so others can spot it. ;) Lemonade51 (talk) 01:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He did, but SchroCat reverted it- not sure why? --Pres N 03:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oops... Hit something by mistake there. Apologies Threeohsix. – SchroCat (talk) 06:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support – on style and structure. Only had time to look at 30-odd player figures, all of which are supported by the citations given. Lemonade51 (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed comments from - Yellow Dingo (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you talk about the Primeria Liga, you don't mention that it became "un-experimental". You go from saying that the league was trialled in 1934 to the fact that Benfica have won it 35 times. You should add a sentence saying that it was adopted as the national league after the experiments success
I've tweaked the intro to explain that.

"as they all moved elsewhere with the season ongoing" - doesn't read well; maybe: "as they all moved elsewhere while a/the season was ongoing. (I'm not sure whether "a" or "the" is better there; up to you)
Changed to "as they all moved elsewhere while the season was ongoing"

Do you really need to say that Jonas's appearances have been for Benfica?
Removed

"and can add to their total." - Anyone could be re-signed and add to the total so it is misleading to say that only current players can. I think you should remove the statement.
Removed

Under "Total appearances and Total goals" in the key you don't link the Primeria Liga (I assume because it is linked in the lead) but you do link European Cup/Champions League which is also linked in the lead. You should be consistent.
In in the Key, Primeira Liga is already linked in the League appearances and League goals, so I can't link it twice. It has nothing to do with the lead.

Is it really relevant to this list that Alberto Augusto scored Portugal's first international goal? I'd say it is unneeded trivia
I've actually wanted to use another trivia and in the lead, which was Hugo Leal as the youngest debutant, but I can't find a source to prove it. I've removed that trivia, is unrelated as you said.

Just a few minor comments that should be easy to fix. If you have time, do you mind looking at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries at the Adelaide Oval/archive1; an FLC I have currently open. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 09:41, 3 August 2016 (UTC) [reply]

@Yellow Dingo: I've think I've address all concerns, what you think?--Threeohsix (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support; looks good now. Well done Threeohsix! - Yellow Dingo (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC) [reply]
Comments

I would try and include a bit more about some of the players in the lead. Do any of them hold records? This would be interesting to the reader. It's a bit bland at the moment. Take a look at List of Liverpool F.C. players (25–99 appearances for an idea of what I mean.
I know what you mean, but players that beat club records usually stay longer... I've added a bit about the record transfers and Player of the Year, but this is susceptible to being outdated if they pass to the main list. The only player worth mentioning something else is Hugo Leal, who is the youngest to play for Benfica, but I can't verify that with a source.
That's good, it was lacking info such as this. If you can find a source for Leal that would be great to add as wel. NapHit (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is the sorting correct? Should Alan Kardec not sort as K instead of A?
To be honest, I'm not an expert in sorting, Anjunaedit came by and tweaked that and I didn't see nothing wrong with his edit. I've fixed Kardec nonetheless

I'm not sure you need the dagger when you're using italics. I think a symbol is only needed when you use colours
Removed that, you're right, the dagger is an accessibility aid.
Reyes and Caneira still have the dagger. NapHit (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 11:19, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NapHit: for reply --Threeohsix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support My concerns have been addressed and I feel this list now meets the criteria. NapHit (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (quick drive-by to remind me to come back and do more later)
This bit doesn't make sense to me: "Players with name in italics were on loan from another club for the duration of their Benfica career. Some later signed a permanent deal." How can they have both been on loan for the entire duration of their Benfica career and had a permanent contract with Benfica? I don't get it.......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: I was trying to say that some later signed for the club on a permanent basis, like Amaral and Mitroglou. Tweaked a bit, how's now?--Threeohsix (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More comments from ChrisTheDude
"The club was formed in 1904, and played their first competitive match on 4 November 1906" - club is referred to as both singular and plural within the same sentence
Missed it.

"as they all moved elsewhere while the season was ongoing" - don't think this is needed
I took out, but had to put it back in, without it just looks like something is missing from the sentence. Plus is a real fact, had they stayed another week or two, they would be in the 100 plus list.

"Axel Witsel is the club record sale at 40 million euros, while Raúl Jiménez is the record purchase at €21.8 million" - two amounts are shown differently (one with euro as a word, one with the symbol)?
Changed to symbol

"and in the players that later signed a permanent deal" - not gramatically correct, better would be "for players who......"
Changed

" sourced to Tovar (212)" - should that say 2012?
Missed it

Think that's it........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Any more comments? --Threeohsix (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all seems OK now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Closing as promoted. --Pres N 20:28, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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