Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of S.L. Benfica players/archive1

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List of S.L. Benfica players

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• Featured list candidates/List of S.L. Benfica players/archive1

Nominator(s): Threeohsix (talk) 09:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it's ready to be feature. I've research it from the Almanac, with newer players being online sourced. I've modelled it out of List of Manchester United F.C. players for the prose, and List of Birmingham City F.C. players for the table. It's my first FLC, so anything I've might have missed is appreciated. Threeohsix (talk) 09:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Support on style and structure, couldn't find any issues with the apps and dates when I checked a select random few. Lemonade51 (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

• The "notable players" section just seems to reflect a selection of past players spotlighted in a piece on the club's website, this has no place in the article
  • Agree
• Showing negative goals against keepers is not a normal/usually shown stat for footballers, remove them
  • Done--Threeohsix (talk) 10:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Lemonade51:@ChrisTheDude: What's the verdict? --Threeohsix (talk) 17:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I need to give it another look, will report back soon............ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why are only the surnames shown for many players eg Michael Manniche, Mats Magnusson, Kostas Katsouranis, etc? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Following the what the source used, but expanded them include first name in the majority, although same are only known by their first name like Quim, Jardel, Lima.--Threeohsix (talk) 19:36, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is true, but players from other countries are not known by just one name in that way, so the name by which they are known should be used

–ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:57, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @ChrisTheDude: I've changed it, any more feedback?--Threeohsix (talk) 10:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• @ChrisTheDude: Can you give an answer? I've changed the majority of the players, want something else?--Threeohsix (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Further comments from me:
  • "317 of which scored in league matches" => "317 of which were scored in league matches"
  • "José Torres (left) played 21 years for Benfica" => "José Torres (left) played for Benfica for 21 years"
  • Notes which are not complete sentences (which seems to be all of them) do not need a full stop at the end
• Think that's it...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ChrisTheDude: Resolved. I've kept the period in the first note, would look weird without it.--Threeohsix (talk) 09:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - looks OK now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:27, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Parutakupiu (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Very well presented and easy to use and discover. Only suggestion I could make (you don't have to listen to me at all) would be to mention Pereira as most-capped international while at Benfica, and Nené as most-capped Portuguese while at Benfica, given as a lead is to summarise all of the content in the rest of the article, and international statistics is one column of the table. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I would add that, if I had sources for it. Keeping track of internationals games while representing a club is very trivial. I only add that row of info because the Almanac has that information for about 95% of the players currently listed here. (the exception being the ones that were internationals after the 2012)--Threeohsix (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• I think you could expand on the history of the club a little more in the first paragraph. How many league titles have they won, mention the European Cup success. This will give the reader an overview of the club.
  • @NapHit:I've expanded the first paragraph
• Are there are anymore players you can mention in the lead. Did any former players manage the club later on for instance?
  • Added them to the lead.
• "More than 750 players have since made a competitive first-team appearance for the club..." -> Since then, more than 750 players have appeared in competitive first-team matches for the club
  • Had to change to "Since their first competitive match"
• The player column should sort by last name not first name
  • Changed to last name
    • It's still sorting by first name. Use the sortname template to rectify this. NapHit (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done, but in Latin countries, some players are just know for one name.--Threeohsix (talk) 18:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Don't use bold to signify the player is still at the club. This is not allowed per MOS:BOLD. In fact ,there is no need for any signifying of this, as the reader only has to look at the year column to see who is still at the club.
  • Removed
• Position column should actually sort by position, like here
  • I'm confused, what do you mean?
    • The column should sort according to the positions key. So, GK through to FW. NapHit (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done, sorry had a brain freeze.--Threeohsix (talk) 18:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Not sure if there is any benefit to having a separate league column, surely just the total column would suffice?
  • The same question can be said of substitutes appearances in Liverpol article. I added it to match Birmingham's article, as I said in the lead here. If that's necessary for you support, then it will go.
    • No, it's not a problem on second thoughts. NapHit (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Just seen the footnotes, I would incorporate some of these into the lead, as they are interesting facts.
  • They are there somewhat, but also added Bento's age.--Threeohsix (talk) 12:58, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• • Pinging again @NapHit:--Threeohsix (talk) 17:21, 16 May 2016
    • Anything else? @NapHit: --Threeohsix (talk) 18:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Support meets the criteria, great work. NapHit (talk) 10:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

• References are formatted accordingly and consistently.
• No dead links
• Images have appropriate licences as far as I can tell. Are there any ones of Luisão in a Benfica kit instead of Brazil?
• Are you able to justify SerBenfiquista.com as a high-quality, reliable source?
• Author's name for Ref 79 missing. Lemonade51 (talk) 14:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lemonade51 Changed Luisão to one in Benfica kit. Fix ref 79. Serbenfiquista.com as a fan site I say it's pretty reliable, never discovered any inconsistencies there.--Threeohsix (talk) 10:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please note that we don't normally consider fan sites to be reliable. To make an exception for this site, media reports indicating that it is trustworthy would be more useful than a single editor's opinion. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Giants2008:No media ever used Serbenfiquista.com, as far as know. Changed the sources to Footballzz which were used by Parutakupiu in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of FC Porto records and statistics/archive1 and consired reliable.--Threeohsix (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With that change, the source review is cleared, so promoting. --PresN 15:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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