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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 20:43, 25 December 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Red Bull Air Race World Championship winners (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• Featured list candidates/List of Red Bull Air Race World Championship winners/archive1

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 11:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another aviation list (my current thing) but quite a small one this one. Yes, I know I have other FLCs running, they all have at least three supports and a couple are waiting for closure, so it's all okay! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from BeatlesLedTV

• After a read through, I think you got a pretty solid list here. It reads well and the table is great. The only thing I noticed was center the "no event" text from 2011–2013. Other than that I got nothing.

Support – I'll offer my support now. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's done, thanks for your interest and support. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support with minor comments –

• The archive date format in the second reference is YYYY-MM-DD when the others are written as DD-MM-YYYY
• Reference eleven has an ndash error; it is misspelled as "&nadsh"

Otherwise this is one of your better lists that you written. Could not any issues with the prose. Good work! MWright96 (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MWright96 sorry for the delay in getting back to you, and thanks for those notes, I've fixed both issues. Cheers for you kind comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by JennyOz

Hi TRM, mostly just suggestions this time...

Prose

• "...in which competitors have to navigate a challenging obstacle course in the fastest time." - doesn't really make sense. (I know you 'inherited' this prose). Something more like 'in which entrants compete to navigate a challenging....'?

  Reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...and have to complete tight turns through..." - argh "have to" again - manoeuvre to?

  Reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...consisting of pylons, known as "Air Gates". - insert 'inflatable' before pylons

  Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...but are also held at airfields or natural wonders." - any examples of "natural wonders"? Any of these places Seven Wonders of the World#Seven Natural Wonders of the World? or maybe referring to famous landmarks?

  Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...accompanied by a supporting program of show flights." - are show flights aerobatic displays, stunts?

  Removed, as not actually sourced. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...and are broadcast, both live and taped, in many nations.and are broadcast, both live and taped, in many nations." - RB website talks of 'live and highlights', no mention 'taped' (replayed?) and also says can view via the website and rb.tv, apps etc.

  Reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "The inaugural series in 2003, which consisted of two races, one in Austria and one in Hungary,[4] was won by the Hungarian pilot Péter Besenyei, with the German Klaus Schrodt coming second in Hungary, followed by the American Kirby Chambliss." - doesn't mention that Besenyei won both races or is it meant to say Schrodt second (without the in Hungary bit)?

  The latter, it was surprisingly difficult to source individual race results from the early series. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...divide the field into classes, namely the "Master Class" and the "Challenger Class" in which young pilots competed." - needs Oxford comma after Master Class?

  Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...having died in a helicopter accident before the end of the championship. - maybe add 'unrelated' before helicopter and/or 'year' after championship?

  Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Table

• Because the two classes are mentioned, should table header say Master Class Winners..., or thinking of adding Challenger table later?

  Well, the Challengers don't win the "World Championship" which is in the title so I thought it was clear enough.....? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• 2004 - third place was shared by Jones and Schrodt. Ref 5 rb history says "joint third" and both Jones and Schrodt's articles says they came 3rd.

  Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• 2016 - there is no key to explain Arch dagger but can be added later when/if more symbols are added and their meaning is not obvious in prose?

Refs

• Added key. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ref 12 Robin Leach - authorlink

• Ref 13 Guardian - pubn date should be 5 Nov

Other

• Seeing there is no infobox should Red Bull official url be added as an ext link?

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Template - add Muroya

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's it I reckon. JennyOz (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz, thanks as always for your review, much appreciated. Bonus - we found the iPod too. Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, looking good, just a few more minor niggles...

• "...in which competitors compete to navigate..." - did you mean to change competitors to entrants or happy with rep?

  Not happy, didn't review properly, adjusted. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "...and are required complete tight turns..." - to

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• "..."Challenger Class" in which young pilots competed." - compete

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• 2004 - is it possible to tweak the third place cell to enable names and nationalities to sort? (Actually, Germany sorts correctly but that's just serendipitous.)

  I've rowspanned the table, is that the sort of thing you were looking for? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's it! JennyOz (talk) 02:56, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz, thanks again, I think I've got everything? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, everything. Champion job. Very happy to sign support. Thanks, JennyOz (talk) 08:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - can't see any issues now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PresN, Giants2008, this is good for a source review and hopefully promotion now, any chance of a look? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:38, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Just a couple of formatting tweaks needed.

• All of the references appear sufficiently reliable.

  Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ref 11 needs a publisher (Red Bull Air Race?)

  Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The publisher of ref 17 should probably be spelled out, as I'm not sure how many people are going to know what FAI stands for off the top of their heads (I didn't).

  Well it's linked for that purpose and is most commonly known as FAI, just like UEFA is most commonly known as UEFA and not "Union of European Football Associations", NASA instead of "North American Space Administration" etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I must briefly comment about the author of ref 12. I was set to complain about linking the author Robin Leach to the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous Robin Leach, only to find out that they actually were one and the same. Who knew?

  Indeed. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Spot-checks of refs 6, 12, and 13 show no issues.

  Cool. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The link-checker tool also shows no problems. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Uber-cool. Thanks.

Giants2008, responses above, cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say this source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:08, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:08, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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