Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Men's World Ice Hockey Championship players for Canada (1977–present)/archive1

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:50, 24 August 2009 [1].

List of Men's World Ice Hockey Championship players for Canada (1977–present)

Nominator(s): Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 00:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of Men's World Ice Hockey Championship players for Canada (1977–present)/archive1

I'm back, with my first FLC in a while (Yay). So, to address an important question: Why 1977?

The current list is 122,254 bytes and has over 450 items. To do the entire history, that list would at least be doubled, so a split is needed.
If one could divide the entire World Championships into two eras, 1977 would be ideal because 1920-1976 is the amateur/Olympic era and 1977-present is the open era (meaning, professional players are allowed). I suppose some potential other splits are 1962-present (the era when Canada started using a national team), but the former is less POV and applies to the World Championships as a whole.
One less important reason is that Hockey Canada only keeps track of stats for what it calls the "modern era" (1977-present).

I largely followed the format of the List of Olympic men's ice hockey players for Canada, although there are some changes such as having columns for total medals because since many have won numerous medals, it makes sorting easier. In the Olympics column, I decided to list every year (rather than using dashes) for ctrl-F purposes. Enjoy. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 00:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24_[c]

Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

"..., including two-time NHL MVP Phil Esposito." Why mention only him? I suggest you mention that he was the team captain.
- This was copied from the Ice Hockey World Championships page. The reason he is mentioned is because Esposito was one of the biggest stars in the NHL at the time and the only former MVP to participate that year, so I felt it was worth noting.
  - Mentioning him as the team captian for the first team of the modern era would be nice. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Many of the players on the Canadian team were not prepared for the tournament and were unfamiliar with the international game and the team finished fourth." Two and's in the sentence.
- Split into the sentences.
"..., sending 57 goaltenders and 422 skaters" For people who are not familiar with ice hockey, they will maybe get confused of what a skater is.
"Dany Heatley and Shane Doan have both..." --> "Dany Heatley and Shane Doan have each..."
- Done.
"Twenty-five players have been inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame, two into the IIHF Hall of Fame and thirteen into Canada's Sports Hall of Fame." Could mention that Gretzky and Lemeiux has been inducted in all three.
When I sorted the names on the "Skaters" section, I saw some that were out of place.
- It's a big table, any specifics?
  - If you sort the table, you'll see which ones are not sorted properly. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Heatley, who has scored 38 goals and registered 62 points over two tournaments,..." over two tournaments? The table says six.
- Human error. Fixed.
"Ryan Smyth has played for seven teams and captained five (from 2001 to 2005),[8] more than any other player since 1977,..." clarify that he has the most for both the most teams played in, and the most captained, instead of just the captained part.
- Done.
IMO, "No." isn't really a good abbreviation for that column. I suggest "WCs", or merge it with the "Years" column.
- Done (former).
  - If you look at the table, you'll see that you accidentally switched the column names "WCs" and "Years". Laugh out loud. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that Hockey Canada isn't mentioned anywhere in the prose. They are the ones who send out the teams to the IIHF WCs.

I fixed the column, added a note for Esposito, and defined what "skaters" are. I tried sorting the skaters table and I didn't see any names out of place. Could you specify some? -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 21:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When you sort the Skaters column by player (click the button once), you have several out of order names before the "As" start. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification, Dabomb. :D. Also, what about the other comments? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tried that and I don't see anything like that (perhaps it's in the browsers - I use Explorer). I'll also add a note about Lemieux and Gretzky. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 16:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the sorting myself. You still haven't replied to the two other comments I suggested. It would be nice if you do. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, per WP:HOCKEY, they do not allot accents to appear on the players' names. I don't know why, but that's what one user told me. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is just on articles for North American leagues. The World Championships are international, so diacritics are used here. I don't really have a lot of time these days, so I won't have a chance any time soon to create pages for the redlinks, but I'll see what I can do. I have added a mention of Hockey Canada to the lead. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 21:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Twenty-five players have been inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame, two into the IIHF Hall of Fame and thirteen into Canada's Sports Hall of Fame. Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux are the only players to be inducted into all three." Gretzky and Lemieux are the only IIHFHOFs, so it would be nicer if you could somehow merge those two sentences. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 00:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Would be nice if you create articles for the red-links, and non-links.
Hope this list will be featured by August 31. :D

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

THanks for the review. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 20:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll support once another reviewer reviews this nomination. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support What Giants2008 said. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note FLC is currently short of reviewers; please consider reviewing one or more on the nomination list if you have not already (this message is being posted to all running FLCs). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

If you're going to link to Canada, might as well make it a bit more specific. Sport in Canada#Ice hockey would do (I was surprised to see that there was no Ice hockey in Canada article)
- Done. I too am surprised.
"For the first 40 years"-->During the first 40 years
- Done.
"The first open World Championship in was held in 1977 in Vienna" Too many "ins".
- Fixed.
"NHL MVP" Neither of these two abbreviations has been spelled out.
- I added a full spelling for the NHL (I can't believe that I missed that), but I think MVP speaks for itself.
"Many of the players on the Canadian team were not prepared for the tournament and were unfamiliar with the international game. " I'm not the expert, but ice hockey worldwide is pretty much like ice hockey in Canada, right? Perhaps "unfamiliar with the international gameplay?"
- Switched to "unfamiliar with the gameplay at the international level".
"are the only players to be inducted"-->are the only players to have been inducted
- Done.
The "Goaltenders" key table is messed up.
- How so?
  - Since there are seven used cells, the eight cell was broken, and periodically seized up on my screen. To fix it, I just put in a blank cell. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Need a note saying that the year links go to articles about the championship for that year. Alternatively, you could rename the header "Year" to something more descriptive.
- Why is a note needed?
  - Because otherwise the years look like plain, low-value year links. Per WP:EGG, we should avoid these hidden links and explain their actual locations. See List of New Jersey Nets head coaches (term column) for an example. Otherwise, you could rename the column to something more accurate, such as "Championship(s)". Dabomb87 (talk) 16:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I like the latter suggestion, done. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 16:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can you improve the colors of the table cells for the gold, silver and bronze columns? Looks more like orange, blue and pink. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Those are the standard secondary colours used for medals, they are easy to see and are not very distracting. I'll take a look and see if I can find anything better, but I think most other options would be too distracting.
  - For example, I put in this color for silver. I think it looks much better. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I like that colour as well. I think the gold works well enough (it looks yellow on my screen), so I'll see if I can find a replacement for the bronze. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 16:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Some players have 0.00 as their GAA while others have 0. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added the new silver, could you recomend a bronze colour to use? For goaltenders, 0 is used when that player did not play a single minute. 0.00 is used when they did play, but had no goals scored against them. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - What do you think of this for bronze? A bit on the dark side, but it contrasts well. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I agree. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 17:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing, I think the link to the Canada portal is unnecessary. This is too specific an article for it to be of any use. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 20:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As always, thanks a lot for the review. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 15:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 23:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Comma after "professional players at the 1970 World Championships"?
- Added.
"As a result, Canada withdrew from International ice hockey competition." De-capitalize International?
- Done.
"including team captain Phil Esposito, a two-time NHL MVP." Spell out MVP?
- As I mentioned above, I think the abbreviation speaks for itself, and it would ruin the flow of the sentence.
In the goalies table, clicking the sorting button for the Notes takes me to the top of the page.
- There was a row missing the final column. I have fixed the error.
Skaters table: The Shane Doan note is centered, while the others aren't.
- Fixed.
Image needs alt text. Giants2008 (17–14) 18:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Alt text added. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you Giants2008 for the review and thank you DaBomb for adding the alt text. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 20:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Another high-quality Scorpion hockey list. Giants2008 (17–14) 23:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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