Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Manchester City F.C. managers

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 11 days, 5 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Self-nom. Yet another football manager list, though to be fair this was created before the others, its just that its taken me two years to get this far :) Anyway, I digress. The list recently had a productive peer review, and now I humbly submit it for your consideration. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Why is the alignment different for two dates in the from to column? Does the to column need to be sortable given it will always follow on from the to column? Does th Honours column need to be sortable? Also I am not particularly enamoured with indicating the caretakers in italics, is there no other way of doing it? It just seems unsightly to me. Woodym555 (talk) 21:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got a bit too Ctrl-V happy when centreing the numbers, now fixed. I don't see what harm is done by having all columns sortable. I think the caretakers ought to be denoted in some way, as they aren't "proper" managers. Italics was the best I could think of. I think footnotes or asterisks would be less clear. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will, of course, defer to you on sorting, I just don't see what is gained from having the Honours sortable. Will it not just sort the numbers? I have been thinking about it and I don't really see a viable alternative, if I'm honest. You could use both italics and asterisks, it is just that I don't see that much of a distinction when I first look at the table. Anyway, these are minor aesthetics issues, and as such are entirely subjective. So I Support. Well done. Woodym555 (talk) 18:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The only outstanding thing from my comments at PR is the sentence Over time Mercer's assistant Malcolm Allison gained influence, and in October 1971 he took sole control of the first team. I still don't know what this means, and what influence Malcolm Allison gained.

Whoops, somehow overlooked that one at PR. Should now be clearer. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All of my other comments were addressed at PR so I'll give it another full look at later. Peanut4 (talk) 22:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• More comments

Tom Maley became the first Manchester City manager to win a major trophy, the 1904 FA Cup. I'd link this to the 1904 FA Cup Final rather than FA Cup itself.

More references to cup finals lower down could also be linked. Peanut4 (talk) 01:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Not sure about "Known for his tactical awareness..." - uncited, potential WP:OR problems, and the honours column seems to switch from central alignment to left and back again. Otherwise I'm satisfied my comments at PR have been dealt with. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now cited. Not sure why I missed citing it in the first place. Alignment should be fixed. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - nice work. The Rambling Man 12:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment
  • Do you need to link every occurrence of the nationality? I know the table's sortable, so if you only linked the first, it wouldn't always be at the top, but I'm not sure that readers are so likely to want to navigate to England from here that they need repeated links.
  • Would you consider using normal size print in the Honours column rather than small?

As I said at PR, the balance in this page between introductory prose and tabular list is excellent. cheers, Struway2 10:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no preference as to whether nationality links should be repeated or not, though they are linked on existing FLs. On my screen removing the small tags makes Joe Mercer's entry twice as high as any other, but I guess that varies with screen resolution and monitor size. I'd be interested in what others think is the best option is on either of these points. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support anyway. FYI, on my smallish screen at 1024x768, Mercer's entry with small tags wraps to 3 lines; without the small tags it's still 3 lines but much more readable. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Thanks for sorting :) The intro text is *very* long, but I guess I can live with that, since others seem to think it's okay. The italics for caretakers didn't even make itself known to me, and I don't really like it. I had to search for the word "caretaker" to find out where the key was. It's not a show-stopper for me, but it is annoying. And I, personally, wouldn't wikilink all the nationalities. Overall, though, nicely done. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]