Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Major League Baseball wins champions/archive1

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List of Major League Baseball wins champions

Nominator(s): KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of Major League Baseball wins champions/archive1

The onslaught from WP:MLB continues (slowly). This is the second installment of the pitching half of the forthcoming featured topic candidate on the Triple Crown. Everything to be addressed as speedily as possible. I am, humbly and as always, grateful to all who take time to review an article that I have worked on. Cheers to you all. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General

Dabs and external links, and contributors all check out fine.
The Jake Peavy image needs alt text.
Is this a literal 'championship'? Because I don't see the sources say it is, or is it more of a feat?

Lead

Is it possible to link and/or spell out the ERA acronym?
Per WP:MOSNUM, don't start off sentences with digits. Such as 16 wins is the largest ...
Ties for the win championship are common, the most recent coming in the American League in 2009. -- wouldn't it be from instead of in?
Im a bit confused by this sentence, if you may explain to me since I'm not a basebally expert. "16 wins is the largest margin of victory in the American League—Ed Walsh notched 40 wins in 1908,"

References

Very heavy reliance on the Baseball-reference, are there not other refs that can verify the same information?--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replies to Truco: This isn't an award, in that a trophy is presented or anything like that, but it is generally recognized as a competition and "champion" is generally the term used for the leader at the end of the season. Alt text is no longer a requirement, but I'll get to it eventually. I'm not sure which "in" you're referring to, but both of the ones in the sentence you reference are grammatically correct. ERA acronym is done.

As to the margin of victory, the basic meaning is that the leader had X wins, and the second-place finisher(s) had Y wins. The margin of victory is X minus Y. I don't know if we have an article on margin of victory or not to link to. Yes, there's a heavy reliance on Baseball-Reference, and there might be other sources out there, but it's the most reliable that I have found for absolutely any baseball information that's out there, and it's the best source we have available to us by a long shot. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well we have one (Margin of victory), but its more about American football. All issues, resolved.--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be better to arrange pitchers by date first instead of by league? It would make the list one single table. —Goodtimber (walk/talk) 19:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe so, for several reasons: we're not trying to make a single table, as the championship is awarded separately in each league (the "other leagues" were combined simply to make it more succinct); and to maintain consistent formatting across the articles in this series. In some years, winning the championship in one league is much different from the other based on the dynamics of the offense and the pitching in each league in any given season. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, makes sense, looking at it and other lists. My only other comment would be that the list of inline citations is very long: about 25% the length of the article/page in my browser. Is there a way to reduce that length through an autohide feature, or by using the citation for the next page level up, say this instead? —Goodtimber (walk/talk) 23:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No to both; MOS forbids hiding citations, and the higher-level citations don't show runners-up. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"with 8 win championships " why not eight?

"8 wins... in 21 seasons". If that's wrong, I'll change it. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You abbreviate ERA but not AL, NL etc which you use far, far more often. Any reason?

Because I think that AL and NL look very sloppy when used over and over again in prose. In truth, the only reason I abbreviate ERA is because it's the much more common way to speak about the statistic; saying "ERA" as ee-ar-ay is more prevalent than someone saying earned run average. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Runner-up can be multiple so should be Runner(s)-up.

Done. KV5 (Talk • Phils)

In the key, "Player with the second-best ERA in the league" -really? Not second-highest number of wins?

Ummmmmm... I'm dumb. That's the only explanation! :-D KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leader would be better of as "Champion(s)" (since this is about "champions")

While I'm not particularly a fan of the change, it's done. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"pitching triple crown" what's one of those? And is it cited?

The link to Major League Baseball Triple Crown and Tommy Bond's caption both explain it; it should be sufficient here as explanation since it's a caption and should be succinct. I'll hunt up a cite for Peavy when I get home today if needed. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Niekro's article says he was inducted into the HOF...

Just missed one, I think. Done. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 158 needs an en-dash rather than a hyphen.

Done. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support my comments addressed. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~American League table: 1942 runner-up Thornton Lee is listed as having 222 wins. How his team didn't beat out the Yankees for the pennant, I will never know. :-)~~

Yikes, good catch, though I think you meant '41. Done. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 14:25, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Five of the images—McGinnity, Peavy, Webb, Lee and Sabathia—are cutting off the right edge of the table.~~

I don't see this happening in either IE or Firefox on a small resolution at work, and I built the table on my laptop at home without any issues like this either. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 14:25, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For me, it occurs on a widescreen monitor with IE, but my resolution is at a lower level than default settings (makes the writing larger). If resolution is put at its default setting, the images fit fine. I'm marking this as resolved, and perhaps this explains why I'm often the only one who sees formatting oddities. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Charles Radbourne and Eddie Cicotte images are both lacking some type of source that would prove public domain status. (The Radbourne image page says it's from the Hall of Fame, but I'm not sure their photos are really PD anyway) Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Commented out for now. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 14:25, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Note that for a few of the images, I added/improved their source links, because I know how much of a hassle such issues can be. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good, sorry for not weighing in earlier. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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