Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Jewish Major League Baseball players/archive1

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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Jewish Major League Baseball players

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Nominator(s): Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a complete as per the given criteria in the article, is well sourced and, IMO, clears the requirements for FLC. To my surprise, the topic of Jewish MLB players is well documented but there was no Wikipedia article on it. So I tried to capture the importance of baseball in Jewish American history and then used a criteria which is strictly for players who identified as Jewish during ("during" being the key word) their MLB careers. I tried to find as many reliable sources as I could and highlighted the star players of their times. I also took inspiration and instruction from similar MLB lists which are featured lists. I hope I did it justice. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• I only have time to look at the lead at the moment, but this is what I got on that:
• No list should start with "the following is a list". Look at other FLCs and find a way to write a more engaging opening.
• "players who have at least one Jewish parent" => "players who have or had at least one Jewish parent"
• Don't have bullet points in the lead, convert this into prose
• "The criteria for this list has" - "criteria" is a plural word so it should be "have"
• Per MOS:NOBOLD, bold should not be used to identify entries meeting certain criteria. Use a symbol like {{doubledagger}} instead
• "an virtual museum" => "a virtual museum"
• "with two players, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax being considered" => "with two players, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax, being considered"
• More later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChrisTheDude, thank you. Will be adding your suggestions ASAP. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Right, I've rewritten the lede with your suggestions. Please give feedback whenever you can. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

• "with Lip Pike being the first one ever" => "with Lip Pike being the first"
• "20th-century" doesn't need a hyphen
• "Jewish players who made it to the Major Leagues often changed their name" => "Jewish players who made it to the Major Leagues often changed their names"
• "at the rampant in the country and the league" => "at the time rampant in the country and the league"
• "and the alleged involvement Jewish crime boss" => "and the alleged involvement of Jewish crime boss"
• "Greenberg played in Detroit which was home to Father Coughlin" => "Greenberg played in Detroit, which was home to Father Coughlin"
• "an antisemitic Catholic priest who used his radio program to broadcast antisemitic commentary and Henry Ford who spread antisemitism through his newspaper" - don't think you need to say "antisemitic" three times in such quick succession. I think you can get away with losing the first one.
• "He faced antisemitism from opposing benches and fans" - yet another one there. Maybe change this one to "abuse"
• "The most famous of those would be Sandy Koufax" => "The most famous of those was Sandy Koufax"
• "While Greenberg and Koufax were the main subjects of the film, the movie also discusses" - these two verbs should be in the same tense
• In the table header, "Major League Team(s)" shouldn't have a capital T on the last word as it isn't a proper noun
• I don't think the teams column needs to be sortable, as it will only ever sort on the first team listed
• Almost all of the image captions in the gallery contain facts which aren't cited anywhere else in the article, so they will need citing here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChrisTheDude, getting right on it. Thanks. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  And good catch with the "antisemitic priest who spread antisemitism" - I didn't realize! Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChrisTheDude, I got the facts from citations next to each players' names. Its why I didn't add any to the captions. I thought it unnecessary. The rest of the changes you suggested I have done though. ETA: and, of course, the articles of each player list the facts in further detail as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  For 100% watertight referencing, I would duplicate whichever ref contains the fact in the image caption -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChrisTheDude, I've done so and also added a few more references. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ChrisTheDude, just a reminder that I added the references to the pictures too. Is there anything else that needs to be added or changed? Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |{{sort name|Cal|Abrams}} becomes !scope=row |{{sort name|Cal|Abrams}}. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 20:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @PresN, I've edited the tables as you have said. No questions but please check if I did it correctly. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yep, looks good. --PresN 00:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824

• "existance" to "existence".
• "late 19th-century and" to "late 19th-century, and".
• "This includes players who converted during or before their careers or players who have or had at least one Jewish parent and identified as Jewish by virtue of their parentage." to "This includes players who converted during or before their careers, and players who have or had at least one Jewish parent, and identified as Jewish by virtue of their parentage." Also I'm unsure if the sentence should start with "This" or "These".
• "rampant antisemitism and remain" to "rampant antisemitism, and remain"
• "It also talks about Jewish immigration" to "talked", since that is the tense used in the previous sentence.
• I think you can stop sorting of the notes columns. You should definitely make the Refs columns unsortable.
• The image captions in the gallery aren't full sentences and so don't need full-stops.
• See if you replace "winningest" with something else.
• Run IABot on the article.
• That's all I got for now. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824, done. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review from Dylan620

• Sourcing for each image checks out, though I did head over to Commons to fix some source URLs (see my recent edits there)
• Alt text is present for all images
• Each image contributes encyclopedic value to the listicle
• All images are appropriately licensed for either public domain or Creative Commons
• The ref for the Sid Gordon caption, unless I'm missing something, doesn't seem to verify that he was "considered one of the best all-round players of his time"
• The ref for the Ryan Braun caption does not appear to verify any of the information therein, though it does have material that could be useful for a caption

Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dylan620, I've edited the two captions to match the info in the source provided next to them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dylan620, is there anything else or is everything fine with the images? Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry, I meant to respond earlier today but got distracted. Everything looks good to me now. Support. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed, regular review passed, promoting. --PresN 01:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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