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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 00:41, 15 November 2009 [1].

List of India women ODI cricketers

Nominator(s): -SpacemanSpiff 05:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all six FL criteria. The list provides a detailed view of the womenwho have played One Day International cricket representing India. It is comprehensive as of today, with a likely addition rate of about five to eight players every two to three years, and changing statistics for another five to eight players. The intro provides a summary view (with links) of ODI cricket and the Indian team. Other parts of the lead summarize the team's performance and that of the key players. One table provides the detailed view of all players while the other details the captains' performances over the years. I will be happy to address comments/suggestions/questions etc promptly. -SpacemanSpiff 05:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from nominator -- Just addressing some issues that are very likely to come up:

  • Sorting by last names is not used because of the different formats of names in India. Most importantly, the last name of some of these players isn't even part of the most common name.
  • The ndashes behave a bit oddly in some sorts. It doesn't happen always and not with all columns either. This appears to be a problem with other featured lists too and I haven't been able to find a solution yet.
  • The extra title bars in the middle and at the bottom are just for clarity. They do not affect sorting etc.

cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 06:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - but just a lot of little things that can easily be fixed...
  • Alt text needs to make it clear that the players in the photo are female.
    • Done.
  • The caption is incomplete (no verb?) so no need for a full stop.
    • Done.
  • "two representative teams" perhaps just me but what is the need for "representative" here, particularly in light of the detail that follows?
    • Done.
  • "The women's variant of the game is very similar to the men's version, with minor modifications to umpiring and pitch requirements." - interesting indeed but I thought we avoided discussing items in the lead that don't appear, in greater detail, in the main article?
    • I believe this fits in with criteria #2, "...that introduces the subject...", especially to a reader without any knowledge of cricket. If consensus is that this shouldn't be part of the lead, I can remove it.
  • Same for the next sentence, although I will admit that it makes the lead more interesting. Difficult.
    • Same response as above, I believe this fits in with criteria #2, "...that introduces the subject...", especially to a reader without any knowledge of cricket. If consensus is that this shouldn't be part of the lead, I can remove it.
  • "formed.[4]The" space required after the reference.
    • Done.
  • "The team's first series win was against New Zealand, in 1995.[8] The team is selected..." - odd follow-on, when the team won a series followed by how it was selected.
    • I've rearranged the paragraph with selection at the start, progressing to games played and then the wins.
  • "by a panel of former cricketers" - male, female or both?
    • The BCCI guidelines don't say, but both panels since the rule was put in place were all-women. I have included the "retired women cricketers" in the panel composition as it is supported by that ref.
  • "captain Jhulan Goswami.." - current or former?
    • Clarified as current.
  • Jogelkar has a dash for 4WI while Basu has 0. This is the case for several other players. Why?
    • Dashes were used for players who did not bowl, while 0 is used for players who bowled at least one ball. Joglekar was an error, typed in a dash as I probably didn't think a keeper would bowl.
  • "Batsman remained not out" - would we say "Batswoman"? Just checking...
    • Convention is to use batsman. Cricinfo and BBC use that term. Also this was discussed at WT:CRIC -- here and here.
  • Jain seems initially out of order in the captain's table, if the original listing is supposed to be chronologically.
    • Fixed, an error with Chopra, don't know why I screwed that up.
  • Don't think you need a total for years started and ended - not logical for me.
    • Removed, I provided it for context for the game stats, but agree that it seems odd.
  • Dates in the references need to be in a consistent format - you have a mix of ISO and human-readable right now.
    • Fixed. The only place I've left the readable format is in Note 1 as I think it needs to be readable there.

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Jogalekar's BBM is "0" while Basu's is – - inconsistent.
    • This was a dumb error, I was trying to fix the Joglekar error above, and entered it on the wrong column. Fixed now.
  • Al Khadeer's Cricinfo profile indicates she's bowled at least one 4WI.

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed Al Khadeer. There were a few other transcription errors that I did not catch while checking in my sandbox or in the article, and I have fixed them now, makes me feel like an ass. I'll contact the other editors who have already commented and let them know. Sorry for the trouble folks, there shouldn't be any more data errors. Please let me know if there are other concerns and/or changes you'd like to see. -SpacemanSpiff 19:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Only a couple of quick ones from me since the prose in the lead looks reasonable to me (though I'm not a cricket expert and can't judge content as well as some others). First, there could be a sentence or two in the lead on the team's captains, since it has a seperate table; even a brief mention of the number of captains would be helpful. Second, I've seen reviewers say that proper names should not be included in alt text, meaning this needs further revision here. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Alt text changed (didn't know the proper nouns rule), thanks to User:Juliancolton for tweaking it further. I've added mention of the captains, split it to two sections -- number of captains along with the number of matches, most successful captain with the other stats summary (had to split this way instead of placing the no of captains along no of players as the stats would then be out of place). Thanks for the feedback, let me know if there are any other comments/concerns. -SpacemanSpiff 05:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Support: Looks good. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 07:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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