Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Houston Rockets first and second-round draft picks

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List of Houston Rockets first and second-round draft picks

I've modeled this after Orlando Magic draft history, and I think this is now ready. Noble Story (talk) 14:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

Use en-dash not hyphen for year ranges.

Done.

I think the image caption is a complete sentence so it needs a period.

Done.

You need a key for the Pos's, so non-NBA experts understand.
"there were 8 rounds , and from " 8 should be eight and no space before the comma.

Done.

You've got 3 1980 round 2 picks and only 1 1981 pick, also round 2. is this correct? If so I don't understand why...
And 1983 has two first round drafts at number 3... for the non-expert (ie me) it's confusing.

Yes, all these are correct. The lead says: "Teams can also trade their picks, which means that in some drafts teams may have more or less than two draft picks."
- And those picks will have the same number? Surely one player was picked before another, so you'd have 3 and 4? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notes 4 thru 7 need citation.

That's about it for a quick first run through. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've addressed some of your comments, and I'll work on the rest tomorrow. Noble Story (talk) 15:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crzy cheetah

~~Oppose~~ for now
1. In the lead, in one sentence, you're stating that there were 8 rounds in the 1974 draft, then after a comma, you're stating that there actually were 10 rounds in the same 1974 draft. Hmm, which one is it?
  - Fixed.
2. In the Nationality column, "USA" should be "United States" in order to be consistent, since you spelled out other countries. OR it could be the other way, use the 3-lettered abbreviations for other countries.
  - Fixed.
3. I disagree with The Rambling Man, I don't think a key for the positions is needed, since all of the abbreviations are already linked in the table.
4. [Most important]There are some picks that Houston either traded for or traded away after drafting, so there should be notes next to them. Some examples: 15th and 37th picks in 2002 draft, 18th and 23rd picks in 2001 draft, etc.
  - Fixed.
5. All notes should be cited.
  - Fixed.
6. ~~In the "College/High School/Club" column, foreign clubs should have their countries in parenthesis next to them.~~
  - Fixed.

--Crzy cheetah 21:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I've addressed all your comments. Noble Story (talk) 01:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great job, that was quick! Some more comments:

Footnotes ##17, 19 and 20 need detailed trade notes.

Done

I don't trust TheDraftReview.com as a reference and I think it should be changed. NBA.com and ESPN.com may have the latest trade news and are more reliable. I may help you out on this.

Replaced all with reliable sources.

I strongly recommend to doublecheck the trade notes in a couple of days. I know I will.;)

--Crzy cheetah 09:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've corrected everything you said to. Noble Story (talk) 10:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments I striked my oppose, but still not comfortable to support. Here are some minor concerns:
- I think it would be better if you used this link as a reference instead.
  - Done.
- All those page numbers need a "p." in front of them to clarify that those are actual page numbers.
  - Done.
- I would also like to see <br /> between the notes and references. It's just too congested now.
  - I've added footnotes as suggested below.
- All of those university links should be linked to more specific pages. For example the University of Kentucky should be linked to Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball. After all, people listed here are basketball players, not noble prize winners.;)
  - Done. Noble Story (talk) 03:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Crzy cheetah 19:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support I am impressed that you actually separated notes and citations. This list deserves a star!--Crzy cheetah 07:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment regardless of whether they're linked, a key makes the information accessible to non-experts. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added key. Noble Story (talk) 10:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Peanut4

Comments
- Do you need to wl to 1968, 1990s and 2003 in the lead?
  - No, I guess not. Removed.
- The last par of the lead needs several references.
  - Added two refs.
    - You got the very two I thought needed it most. But I've spotted one more. "Teams can also trade their picks, which means that in some drafts teams may have more or less than two draft picks." Can you find a ref for this, I got confused by the draft picks in the table, until I read this sentence in the lead which explains it perfectly. Peanut4 (talk) 15:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Added.
- "For two drafts in 1972–73." Does this refer to the drafts in 1972 and 1973? If so, re-word it to "For two drafts in 1972 and 1973." per WP:DASH. Peanut4 (talk) 14:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reworded.
My only possible suggestion for improvement would be to split the footnotes and references, as you can see at Manchester City F.C. seasons. Each footnote can then have a reference in the references section too. Otherwise it looks great work. Peanut4 (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Good idea. Done. Noble Story (talk) 03:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Everything done. Looks good and meets the criteria. Good work. Peanut4 (talk) 22:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not very familiar with the NBA, so I apologize if this is a stupid question, but there aren't many rounds in the NBA draft, are there? So why not rename this Houston Rockets draft history, or if it's incomplete, why not expand it so it is? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The reason the article is titled as it is, is because it is incomplete. However, the reason for that is that, as is mentioned in the lead, there were many, many rounds back when the Rockets first stared. Even as much as 21 or 19 rounds. Almost none of those players made it to the NBA, and expanding it would just make an exteremly long list with a lot of redlinks. Just so you know, there are other FLs similar to this list, such as List of Baltimore Ravens first-round draft picks, List of Carolina Panthers first-round draft picks, and so on. Noble Story (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Scorpion made a good point, I think a separate page needs to be created something like Houston Rockets draft history and list all picks there. Take a look at Indianapolis Colts draft history and List of Indianapolis Colts first-round draft picks for examples.--Crzy cheetah 08:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Good point, I'll probably attempt it at some point. However, I don't think it should affect this' article. Noble Story (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support While I agree there is a need for a seperate article with all draft picks, the fact that this article limits itself to 1st/2nd-round picks doesn't prevent it from being useful. It certainly meets all other requirements. Tompw (talk) (review) 16:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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