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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:35, 1 December 2009 [1].

List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors

Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 18:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets criteria. I made similar lists for Big Brother and Project Runway, so I feel I know most of the issues that need to be addressed. Another Believer (Talk) 18:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can already predict two issues that might need to be addressed. As much as I would love to include the ages of all the contestants that have participated, I have had trouble trying to track down the ages of all the contestants in reliable news sources, especially for some of the earlier seasons. However, I was still able to find sources to provide the ages of the youngest and oldest contestants. Also, I considered adding an "Occupation" column to display how the celebrity became famous, but I didn't know if that would be redundant information, as users could simply click on any celebrity name or even the season number to learn more information about the celebrities participating and how they became famous. To me, a list should be a single source that branches off to other sources of information, as opposed to a single source that includes as much information as possible (and therefore can be somewhat overwhelming). However, I am willing to add this column if reviewers find it necessary. Thanks so much! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think that would be a good idea to include why they are celebrities. Reywas92Talk 18:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Doing... --Another Believer (Talk) 18:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Another concern is that Status and Finish are redundant. 2nd runner-up=3rd, Runner-up=2nd, Winner=1st, and Eliminated=4th and below. Keep just the Finish. Also, the lead needs to talk about the professional dance partners, many of which were in multiple seasons. Reywas92Talk 23:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will definitely add something to the lead to include the dance partners... I will have to think of something. What I like about the Status column is that it displays which contestants withdrew from the competition. In that sense, I thought the column was relevant. Perhaps I could combine them to just say "Withdrew: 3rd" or "Eliminated: 5th" or something similar, still sorting by final placement. Doing... -Another Believer (Talk) 06:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, before I spend the time to make a change that might not be kept, could I get some feedback about how you think the Finish column should look? I like how now it shows the Status and Finish placement, but I can see how it is possible they could be combined. Maybe something like "{sort|05|5th (Eliminated)}" or "{sort|08|8th: Eliminated}"? --Another Believer (Talk) 17:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's still a given that anyone 4th and below was eliminated. The three who withdrew are already in the lead and could be denoted with a symbol or footnote. I think just the placement is sufficient. Reywas92Talk 18:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Removed Status column. If you think an asterisk should be placed in the Finish cells of the three contestants that withdrew, just let me know and I will add it. Such as "14th*", with a note at the bottom indicating that contestants with an asterisk withdrew from the competition. Also, I realize I still need to add something to the lead about the professional partners, though I am still trying to think of something that is relevant. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although I am not sure if the wording is correct (grammatically speaking), I added information about the professional partners to the lead. Let me know if any edits need to be made. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support I added a little more about the professional partners, and everything looks great. You can add the star if you want, but I don't care. Reywas92Talk 19:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your support. Hope you don't mind that I re-arranged the professional dancers that won at the end of the lead so that they are in roughly chronological order. Figured that would be best since the celebrity winners are listed in chronological order. I appreciate your time, assistance, and suggestions! --Another Believer (Talk) 19:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 22:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "three of which " - three of whom, perhaps?
Done. I am no grammar expert, but I went ahead and made the change, as requested. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the ones that have" - "those who"?
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "member" or "band member" - be consistent.
Done. All now just indicate "member". --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Supermodel consistently.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • alt text is really brief, you could add more than you currently have I think.
Better? --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The category has (US TV series) while this has (U.S.) - while either is acceptable, I think you need to be consistent within an individual article.
I think "U.S." should be used when possible, but I am certainly not going to change the category name as that would impact many articles. Does the title of the list really need to be changed? --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to review the list and offer comments/suggestions! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. I wouldn't change the list, but I would look at changing the category (at some point) for consistency... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure how to change the category, though I did notice that most of the articles within the category use "U.S.", as opposed to "US". This indicates that the category should definitely be changed. I won't make the move myself, but I will make made a request on the category talk page. Did I address all of your concerns? --Another Believer (Talk) 19:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about both of these, but I thought it might be overkill, as that information is already conveyed in the lead and within the table (in the case of the winners). I'd be more than happy to add coloring if additional reviewers feel it is necessary, though past nominations for other lists I have created seem to indicate that 'less is more'. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do any other reviewers have a preference for or against adding coloring for the winners and competitors that withdrew from the show? --Another Believer (Talk) 00:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I could see what the list would look like with color, I might be able to decide. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It would look similar to this list, with three cells colored blue (to reflect the three competitors that withdrew), and nine red cells (to reflect the winners of each season). --Another Believer (Talk) 04:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "A total of 104 celebrities have competed" "A total of" is redundant. You might rephrase by saying "As of Season (insert season number), 104 celebrities have competed..."
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Muhammad Ali's daughter" Not a profession. You might rename the entire column to "Notability", or "Notability/Profession".
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link or explain "TBD"?
I assumed most people understood the TBA/TBD abbreviation, and this was not required for the other lists, but I'd be happy to comply if required. Please keep in mind that the rest of the table will likely be filled/completed within the next 2-3 weeks. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. "Complete" was there previously, so I left it. However, it has not been removed. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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