Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards/archive1

• Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead

• Over the years a number of additional awards have been introduced and, as of 2008[update], there are seven other awards which are presented. // The comma should come before the and -Done
• In 1999, three new awards were introduced; the Helen Rollason Award, the Coach Award, and the Newcomer Award which was renamed Young Sports Personality of the Year in 2001. // (1)The semi-colon should be a colon (2) Comma before which -Done

• In addition to the yearly awards, some other awards have been sporadically in the past. // Add awarded or presented before sporadically -Done

• Special Achievement Awards have been presented on four occasions; twice to jockey Lester Piggott in 1984 and 1994,[4] once to disabled marathon runner Dennis Moore in 1981, and once to comedian David Walliams in 2006. // The semi-colon should be a colon -Done
• Sebastian Coe who picked up a Special Gold Award in 2005 for his work in obtaining the 2012 Olympics. // Remove who -Done
• Five awards have only been presented once; the Manager of the Year Award in 1969, the Special Team Award in 1986, the Good Sport Awards in 1990, the International Team Award in 1983, and the Sports Personality of the Century Award on 1999. // The semi-colon should be a colon -Done (I'll learn!)

Defunct awards

• In 1986, an award was presented to the British 4 x 400m squad of Derek Redmond, Kriss Akabusi, Brian Whittle, Roger Black, Todd Bennett, and Phil Brown, who won gold in the at the European Championships. // Remove the at -Fixed (but not how you suggested)
• Aitken-Walker and co-driver Thörner crashed off a cliff into a lake in Portugal when competing in the women's World Rally Championship—despite this they went on to win the championship that year. // Comma after this -Done
• In the lead up to anniversary show on 14 December 2003, a series of five half-hour special programmes, entitled Simply The Best – Sports Personality, were shown. // Instead of shown how about broadcast? -Done
• References look fine.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 23:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, I believe I have addressed all those points. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Lead. I wouldn't link "sporadically" to wiktionary. It's a plain English word, not a technical term. If you really think people won't understand it, maybe replace "sporadically in the past" with "from time to time". -Done
• I know it's difficult to avoid repetition in this sort of list article, but the lead contains thirteen occurrences of "award" in the bluelinks plus another ten in the ordinary prose.
  • I have reduced the number of instances of these. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 15:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• I might say "England's 1966 World Cup-winning football team" rather than "the English". -Done
• Current awards section. Don't see the point of making it sortable, but that's just personal taste.
  • Not done, just because it doesn't take anything away from the table. However if someone felt strongly enough to change it I wouldn't revert. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 14:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Why do some of the awards have the word "Award" as part of the article name and some not? probably what I'm asking is, is it the BBC's inconsistency or Wikipedia's?
  • The individual pages have a citation for the name but sometimes even the BBC isn't consistent. For example "Lifetime Achievement"[2] and "Lifetime Achievement Award"[3]. Generally I used award at the end except where the type of award is followed (not preceded) by "Sports Personality of the Year" (1 & 2) The exception to this is BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award where I used the "Award" suffix to disambiguate it from the ceremony of the same name—BBC Sports Personality of the Year. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 14:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Years would look better centred, as they are in the later tables. -Done
• Descriptions, I would argue, shouldn't have full stops (periods) at the end, because they're sentence fragments, not complete sentences (the same as we do with image captions) -Done
• Unsung hero award is for a volunteer, not (necessarily) a sportsperson. According to the link at the top of the column it's for someone who "has given their time and talents for free to enable others to participate in sport". -Done
• Defunct awards section. Flags. Per MOS:ICON#Accompany flags with country names, flags should always be accompanied by country name on first use.
  • Damn, I forgot about this. I remember you mentioning this before. Sorry I'll do it in a bit. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 14:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 15:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Leeds United is called Leeds United A.F.C., not F.C. -Done
• I'd prefer to word Piggott's achievement "a record-breaking 28th British classic win", (classic uncapitalised) and then wikilink "British classic" to British Classic Races. -Done
• Sports Personality of the Century. One-off should be hyphenated, and Pelé should have an accent. -Done
• Special Gold Award. The first sentence is a touch repetitive... -Done
• 50th Anniversary awards. "In the lead up to the anniversary show" -Done
• Golden Sports Personality of the Year. Perhaps mention that the eventual shortlist included two from the most recent decade and no-one from the first decade of the award, which isn't necessarily obvious just from the list of names. -Done
• Team of the Decades. If it's Sir Bobby Robson, it should be Sir Bobby Charlton as well (Charlton received his knighthood years before Robson). -Done, no Sir for either.
• References. Seems very odd putting work=BBC Press Office in the cite-web. I'd have thought publisher=BBC would be enough, or else use {{cite press release}}.
  • Done, the later option. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 15:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I believe I have addressed all your concerns, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 15:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Your copyediting of the lead section has much improved it. One thing in the tables, where you've added a column for the flag and country name: (on my browser/screen at least) the column is very narrow, only wide enough for the flag, so that the country code wraps to a second line, which makes it look messy. Don't know if it's to do with the way you've tried to fix the column widths, or what. If it doesn't look like that for you, I could do a screenshot. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This seemed to be an issue between different browsers. Hopefully it has now been resolved. Let me know if it hasn't. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 16:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine for me now, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Sebastian Coe picked up a Special Gold Award in 2005 for his work in obtaining the 2012 Olympics." Might want to say that Coe was working on behalf of Britain. It currently reads like the Olympics are his property. -Reworded
• "and the Sports Personality of the Century Award on 1999." Why "on" instead of "in"? -Fixed typo.
• The Sports Personality of the Year link in the second paragraph is a duplicate. -Unlinked
• A link to the 1966 FIFA World Cup would be nice in the last sentence. -Done
• Special Achievement Award: Capitalize Classic in "British classic"? And did you decide not to do sorting for this table?
  • I did not capitalise "classic" see comment by Struway above. I added sorting, although it isn't required as every single column is (by coincidence) already in it's sortable order. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 11:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Re Classic/classic, I've just had a quick look at literate (broadsheet) English sources and the capitalisation seems to be optional. Years ago it wouldn't have had a capital, today it often does. Do what you prefer, in that case :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Special Gold Award: Remove comma after Sebastian Coe. -Done
• Golden Sports Personality of the Year: "winner Redgrave and footballer David Beckham." Is "winner" meant to be rower? -Fixed
• Team of the Decades: Comma after Bobby Charlton. -Done

Giants2008 (17-14) 00:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I believe I have addressed all your comments. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 11:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24_[c]

• I think the article name should be List of BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards just to follow the article naming format for other award articles.
  • Careless on my part, that is what I thought I called it. I will do this, but probably tomorrow as I'll have to go round chasing anything targeting to specific sections etc. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 23:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moved, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• I also think that for the Defunct and 50th Anniversary awards, you should put the prose first before the list just since the prose usually comes before the list.
  • Done Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 23:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• (continued) Aren't all the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards part of Wikipedia:WikiProject BBC? If it is, then why isn't there a template for it on the talk page? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 00:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • IDK quite possibly, I have added the banner, although I don't see how it affects the list in any way. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It obviously doesn't affect the list in any way, but adding another WP on the talk page would be nice. :D -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 01:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's been done. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 09:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• More to come...

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 23:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24_[c] (continued)

• BBC Sports Personality of the Year Unsung Hero Award is a redirect. Why isn't it called the BBC Sports Unsung Hero Award instead?
  • Ah yes, an old page move I fogot to update. Fixed. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 17:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I wonder why it isn't called the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Unsung Hero Award... -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 17:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • No idea but that name is definately the correct one.[5] Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 11:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Why aren't there descriptions of the other awards? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 06:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The other awards already have their own (FL) pages where they are adequately described. I am not keen on the excessive repeating of some material within a topic. The idea for putting them in a table like that came from Scorpion (and this). Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 17:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was talking about the defunct ones...but never mind that since I see you had it on the proses. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 17:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• That's it.

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]_{call me Keith} 06:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those comments, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 17:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]