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List of Australia Test cricket records

Featured list candidates/List of Australia Test cricket records/archive1

Nominator(s): – Ianblair23 (talk) 09:58, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My fellow Wikipedians, I present for review this list of Australian cricket records played in the oldest and greatest form of the game – Test cricket. Based on the Sri Lankan list which was promoted to featured status back in April 2010, this has just appeared on the Main Page in the DYK section. I look forward to your feedback on this nomination. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 09:58, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work, Ian. I've started to take a look at it, making some minor fixes. One question - declared totals show as 758–8d (for example). I've only ever seen scorecards show it as 758/8d, and as it's an Australian list, should it be 8/758d? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:05, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lugnuts, thanks very much for your comment. This format was a carry over from the Sri Lankan article. I have changed it as requested. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lugnuts, significant work has gone into this list since you last commented. Would you mind please reviewing again. Thanks – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ian. I took a look yesterday and nothing jumps out that needs fixing and it looks like all the major concerns have been addressed, below. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:49, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lugnuts, thanks very much for your support. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"A Test match is scheduled to take place over a period of five days" what about timeless Tests?

Oh, and this, could be a footnote.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:41, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The first Test can be linked, there are a couple of possible targets, e.g. English cricket team in Australia and New Zealand in 1876–77 or History of Test cricket from 1877 to 1883#The first Test.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"have played 801 matches against every other Test-playing nation" picky but that sounds like they've played each other nation 801 times.

Removed "against every other Test-playing nation" – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"well ahead of" avoid "well" here, shades of POV!

Removed "well" – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Bradman still stand" would add "also" before "still" here.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"He is second only " in world cricket.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the ICC Test Championship table there in the Key section?

It was a carry over from the Sri Lankan list. Agree it seems out of place. Removed – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A general comment, it would be nice, especially for non-expert reader, to have some analysis ahead of each table, or at least some prose to introduce each set of stats.
"=5", is that an ENGVAR thing? I would write "5=" because logically to me that reads as "5th equal". Not unduly concerned.

Is that what you Brits say? In Australia, we say someone finished in equal 5th? [2] – Ianblair23 (talk) 04:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since this suggests that Oz are the only team to be involved in more than one tie, I guess that's a Test cricket record?

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 04:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Any golden ducks? Diamond ducks? Anyone to trouble Daddles??

Not done. A couldn't find any reliable sources for this sorry. – Ianblair23 (talk) 04:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of whitespace on the right-hand side, and plenty of opportunity to use some more classic images of historic cricketers...

I have added images of J. J. Ferris, Jack Gregory and Bill Ponsford. I have also added a photograph of Steve Waugh in the Team records section – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Update – I have added three more images to the team records section, one of Border, one of Neil Harvey and one of the 1902 team that toured England – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Every "over" record came from six-ball overs?

Excellent pick-up TRM. I have added a note to the Worst figures in a match table where Lindsay Kline's 0/157 came off 8 ball overs – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have a nagging memory of the flag used in West Indies cricket, has it been the same since the beginning of their Test status?

You're memory is correct on this. File:WestIndiesCricketFlagPre1999.svg was the flag used until 1999. File:West indies cricket board flag.png is the flag that has been in use since 1999. The former is now in the public domain whilst the latter is under copyright. {{cr|WIN}} calls up the former flag and is used for post-1999 Windies teams, even though it is anachronistic – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a bizarre thought struck me, what about Australian Test umpires?!

Good one! I have added a table for most matches umpired – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Really nice. One thing that maybe useful, in the Ducks table, is the amount of innings these guys had. I'm not sure why runs is relevant, although I can accept that even though Waugh had loads of ducks, he made loads of runs, I just think their innings (or their batting average?) would be more appropriate as a comparison. Also, I think an explanation of a "five-wicket haul" preceding that table would be good. Otherwise this is top notch. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - very nice work. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Vensatry

~~Currently -> As of ...~~

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~"He also hold the highest fifth-wicket partnership with ..." -> He also holds ...~~

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Given McGrath still holds the record for most wickets by a fast bowler in Tests, I think the fact warrants a mention in the lead.~~

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Why isn't there a mention about captaincy records in the lead?~~

Great pick up Vensatry. I have added the captaincy records to both the lead and the body. – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Per WP:ALT, you need to mention the names of the players in these lists - talking about File:1902AusTeam.jpg~~

Sorry Vensatry, I am at a loss of what you mean here. If you are implying that WP:ALT states that when there is a team photograph, the alt text should list each person in the photograph, well that simply not true. The purpose of alt text is to provide additional information to visual impaired people using screen readers. It should be short, clear and concise. In the image you have raised, it is a photograph of the 1902 Australian cricket team. The team set two records which still stand. The alt text reads "Australian cricket team that toured England in 1902". The caption then states what records the team set. I hope that I that cleared things up. – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. —Vensatry _(talk) 18:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~What does "=" signify in the table?~~

It means "equal" or "tied", eg equal second or tied fifth – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Is "scoring a duck" a record? Ditto with "Worst figures in an innings".~~

Not all records are positive, eg. Greatest and narrowest loss in the team records section. I have included these as it gives balance. – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Page no(s). needed for PDF references~~

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some refs. are archived while others aren't.

Only those refs that do not appear in the Internet Archive are without an archived url. – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

—Vensatry _(talk) 17:30, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the review Vensatry. I will address these concerns shortly. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 23:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vensatry, I have addressed each of your points above. I hope that is to your satisfaction. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vensatry, do you have any further comments on this list? – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support, meets the standards. —Vensatry _(talk) 18:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vensatry, thanks very much for the review. It is very much appreciated. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:14, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Sorry, but I'm seeing a bunch of grammatical glitches so far. Having read most but not all of the list, this is what I've found:

Minor point, but the "also" in "A further two Australian partnership records for the second and the sixth wickets set by Bradman also still stand" is a redundant word (given the presence of "further") and could be removed to tighten the prose.

Removed "also" as suggested – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comma needed after Glenn McGrath, I'd imagine.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Key: The highest wicket partnership link isn't working properly; you might need to check the capitalization.

Great pick up. Link fixed and reworded. – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Team wins, losses, draws and ties: Add "in" after "resulting" at the start of the second paragraph.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Remove first "a" from "Australia has a never lost or drawn a match against Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.

Done, also added refs to support these claims. – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It says here that England have competed in over 1,000 Test matches, while the lead says just under 1,000. Which is it? Also, this should be cited here.

Ah, my mistake! The lead is correct, it should be under. They have played 983 matches to date. I have corrected this and a ref has also been added. – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1902 photo caption: At the end, shouldn't "narrowest lost" be "narrowest loss"?

Yes, you are correct. Caption amended. – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most centuries: Needs "a" before "score".

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same for the double century section.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Best (bowling) figures in a match: "to with finish with match figures of 19/90" needs copy-editing.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Worst figures in a match: Could use "the" before "second Test of the Ashes series".

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most dismissals in an innings: Try not to start a sentence with a number, like in "22 wicket-keepers...". In this case, you could just spell out the number.

Reworded sentence – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most dismissals in a series: "Brad Haddin holds the Test cricket record for the most dismissal taken by wicket-keeper in a series." Needs "a" before "wicket-keeper", and "dismissal" should be plural.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (Talk) 21:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most matches as captain: "holds the record the most matched played as captain in Test cricket with 109." "matched" is a typo, and a word is needed after "record".

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Partnership records: Middle two words of "In sport of cricket" could be removed to improve the sentence.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Highest partnerships by wicket: The Wicket column of the table isn't sorting properly. You'll need sort templates to prevent the 10th from being sorted with the 1st (a common issue in lists).

Another great pick up. Thanks Giants – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (Talk) 21:24, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Giants, thank you very much for the review. I have addressed all of your comments. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Giants, I have added and amended some of the prose in the team and batting records sections. If you could please review and let me know if you have any further comments that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is "for" needed in "holds the record of the most wickets for taken by a fast bowler in Test cricket."? Actually, it sounds like "holds the record for" would be better.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Now I see two "for"s in that sentence. The one after "most wickets" should be taken out. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:14, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Giants, I have fixed the sentence. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support – A lot of good work has been done to improve the writing in response to my comments, and I think it meets the standards now. Do be sure to do a quick read-through before your next nomination, so that you don't end up facing a long list of issues that you need to fix in a hurry. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:07, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Giants, thanks very much the support and your comments. I will take it on board moving forward. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 05:20, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 01:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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