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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 07:12, 11 April 2009 [1].

2008 NBA Draft

Nominator(s): —Chris! ct
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Another NBA list—Chris! ct 01:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008
Oppose - Criterion 1. I was looking forward to reading this one, but quickly found some questionable prose. There are more simple mistakes than I would expect in our best work, at least for now. In addition to fixing these, please consider finding to find someone in the NBA project to read through this carefully.
  • Would it be possible to have pictures of drafted players to the right of the tables? That would be a nice touch.
Done—Chris! ct 05:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm having a problem with the Notable undrafted players section. Is this meant to give the undrafted players who played in the NBA? If so, perhaps the section should be re-named accordingly. I'm sure there were plenty of undrafted college players who have Wikipedia articles; why wouldn't they be considered notable?
I will removed "notable" and try to add other undrafted players.—Chris! ct 23:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In a way, I think that section is out of scope of this article. I mean, this is about the draft and the players drafted. You say yourself the other players were excluded from the draft, so why should they be in the article? Noble Story (talk • contributions) 00:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason I have this section is b/c the other NBA draft FLs have it. I can removed if it is decided that it is out of scope.—Chris! ct 19:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and other first-time eligible players, such as players from non-North American leagues." There is a redundancy with "players", seeing as there are two uses here and three in the entire sentence. How about changing the last part to "such as those from non-North American leagues."?
  • "The draft was broadcast on ESPN at 7:00 PM (EDT)." This is only in the U.S.
  • "The NBA announced that 91 players, including 69 players from U.S. colleges and institutions and 22 international players, have filed as early entry candidates for the 2008 NBA Draft." "have filed"? The draft was nine months ago.
  • "The Bulls winning of the lottery..." Apostrophe for Bulls, please. Also, would a result in the lottery technically be considered an upset?
  • Two NBA Draft Lottery links.
  • Also duplicate links for the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, and Minnesota Timberwolves.
  • "It marked the first time in draft history that three freshmen were taken with the first three picks." Remove the first "three".
  • "With five players taken in the draft, the Kansas...". Grammar error after the comma.
  • "the franchise would relocated". Remove "would". Giants2008 (17-14) 22:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed all the prose issues you pointed out. I will get someone to look at the prose again.—Chris! ct 23:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One note from the changes above: now that it says University of Kansas, "the" can be put back. It was different when I reviewed it. I struck the oppose above due to the good work that has been done in the last work; here are a few more issues that I want to bring up before I support.
  • "Another record was also set, with ten freshmen being drafted in the first round and twelve in total." In addition to the struck word, the part after the comma is a noun plus -ing sentence structure that needs fixing.
  • "22 are forward". Last word should be plural.
  • A few notes from the school column: Memphis Tigers basketball redirects to the men's program, which is what you want linked for Derrick Rose's column. Rider Broncs could replace the generic Rider University link.
  • The note in the Team column for D. J. White should be moved next to the team name to match the other similar notes.
  • Undrafted players: "The following lists players who went unndrafted...". Typo.
Haven't looked at the trades yet, but I may polish that up myself if time permits. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done all except for the D. J. White one. I am not sure if that is a good idea. The note is about Seattle SuperSonics. Moving it next to Detroit Pistons might confuse reader.—Chris! ct 00:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, it should be moved outside the parenthesis. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris! ct 00:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Has been substantially improved during the course of this FLC, and now meets the standards. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
General
Fixed after I removed the links to junior and senior. There are no articles existed for college junior/senior.—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about wikitionary linking the terms? wikt:junior/wikt:senior.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 23:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris! ct 00:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • Per MOS:NUM, do not start sentences with numbers
Fixed—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent with the use of acronyms. You spell out Kansas State but use USC for South Car.
Fixed—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, another record was set with ten freshmen being drafted in the first round and twelve in total. --> Another record was also set, with ten freshmen being drafted in the first round and twelve in total.
Fixed—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would expand the lead to summarize the list a bit more, at least adding something on the positions of the players.
Added—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tables
  • What does the 1998 next entry # 6 refer to (in the last column)?
It is the birth year—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added—Chris! ct 05:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would place the Sr. (and etc.) within parenthesis.
Done—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why isn't senior linked?--Best, ₮RUCӨ 21:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See my reply on disambiguation links.—Chris! ct 05:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For entries in the position that have more than one position, the most used position is placed first right?
Yes. Added a note to clarify—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note A is not a complete sentence, remove the full stop.
Done—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Undrafted players
  • Is it possible to get the date of the signing?
See above. There is a discussion about the relevance of the section. I will probably removed it.—Chris! ct 19:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So what is going to comeabout on this?--Best, ₮RUCӨ 00:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am still waiting for User:Noble Story's reply. If he doesn't reply, then I will try to look for the dates.—Chris! ct 05:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Draft-day trades
  • In a three-team trade, Portland acquired the draft rights to 25th pick Nicolas Batum from Houston; Houston acquired the draft rights to 28th pick Donté Greene, a second-round selection in 2009 from Memphis and 33rd pick Joey Dorsey from Portland; and Memphis acquired the draft rights to 27th pick Darrell Arthur from Portland. -- the semi colons should be commas
  • In a three-team trade, Chicago acquired the rights to 36th pick Ömer Aşık from Portland; Portland acquired a second-round pick in 2009 from Denver and two future second-round picks from Chicago; and Denver acquired the draft rights to 39th pick Sonny Weems from Chicago. -- Same thing here
  • San Antonio acquired the draft rights to 48th pick Malik Hairston, a second-round pick in 2009 and cash considerations from Phoenix in exchange for the draft rights to 45th pick Goran Dragić. -- Comma after 2009
Fixed all—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Traded picks
  • The in at trade involving is really repetitive, is there other ways to state this?
Fixed—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • For the Sl.com ref, that's the work, but the publisher is the Time Inc.
Fixed—Chris! ct 20:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Best, ₮RUCӨ 00:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • In general the article meets WP:WIAFL standards, but I would like to see the outcome of the undrafted players before giving my final decision. I will check back, if I don't you may notify me for the result. --Best, ₮RUCӨ 20:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Issues resolved, Noble Story (talk • contributions) 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Noble Comments

  • "taking turns" rather informal, I would think
Can't think of how to better rephrase it. Any suggestions?—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The draft was broadcast on ESPN at 7:00 PM EDT in the United States.". a- This has no ref; b- this excludes international broadcasts; c- this interrupts the flow.
Ref can be easily added. But since you think this sentence disrupts the flow, I will remove it instead.—Chris! ct 01:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "According to the NBA, 91 players, including 69 players from U.S. colleges and 22 international players, filed as early entry candidates for the 2008 NBA Draft." Maybe there is some way to explain this more clearly? I mean, most people wouldn't know why being an "early entry candidate" is so important. Or, for that matter, what it is.
I am not too sure what "early entry candidate" is or its significance. I will look it up.—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't know the significance of "early entry candidate", can I ask why you put it in the lead? Noble Story (talk • contributions) 08:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, a majority of the prose wasn't written by me. I just saw this list looked pretty good and decided to bring it here after fixing it up. And, I am not sure why the original writer didn't clarify at the first place.—Chris! ct 17:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another record was set, with ten freshmen drafted in the first round and twelve in total. Try maybe: "Another record was set when ten freshmen were drafted..."
Fixed—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This was also the Seattle SuperSonics' last official team draft. In July, the franchise relocated to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma as the Oklahoma City Thunder. The Thunder's first official team draft will not come until 2009." Could this, by chance, go into a footnote? It seems it would fit better there.
I think this is pretty notable, so I prefer it in the lead.—Chris! ct 01:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm thinking that saying "First round" and "Second round" would be better, since that's usually how they are referred to.
Done—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What reference do you use to determine a player's exact position?
Added ref—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The draft board, and the player profiles still don't say the exact player positions. So again, how do are you determining their positions? Noble Story (talk • contributions) 08:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the original positions and used those from the draft board.—Chris! ct 18:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why do you need to say the birth years of the international players? Also, I don't think Mike Taylor is an international player, yet you do the same for him.
Removed—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think instead of saying "international" and foreign", you should say "non-American" or something like that.
"non-American" is too informal, IMO.—Chris! ct 01:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then maybe try "or something like that", if you can. :) Noble Story (talk • contributions) 08:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For your list of Traded Picks, you say "acquired" the first and last times, then "received" all the rest of the times.
Fixed—Chris! ct 02:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would stand by my comment that the undrafted list seems out of scope. However, I would like to see what other reviewers think.
Like I already said, it can be easily removed if needed.—Chris! ct 01:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now, but I will add more if and when I see anything else. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 00:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • When you say "...trade involving X Player", I'm pretty sure there are several players involved in most of those deals, but you only mention one. Was your choice just arbitrary?
(Cough) Ahem. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 08:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added all players—Chris! ct 18:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well...OK, I actually didn't ask you to put in every player, I just asked you how you chose a particular player. But since it's done, it needs to be reworded. For example: On January 26, 2006, Minnesota received a second-round draft pick from Miami in a trade involving Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, and James Posey via Boston in a trade involving Ricky Davis, Marcus Banks, Mark Blount, Justin Reed, Wally Szczerbiak, Michael Olowokandi, and Dwayne Jones. Better worded, it would be: "On January 26, 2006, Minnesota received a second-round draft pick, Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, and James Posey from Boston for Ricky Davis, Marcus Banks, Mark Blount, Justin Reed, Wally Szczerbiak, Michael Olowokandi, and Dwayne Jones." I think that would be better. As it is, it's not clear who is coming from which team. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I've clarified every trade in that section.—Chris! ct 22:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support My concerns have been fixed. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 04:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • I agree with Noble Story that the undrafted picks don't need to be listed here; they can be mentioned in the main article about the 2008 season.
  • "players and other first-time eligible players, including those from non-North American leagues." Clarify if these "non-North American leagues" are professional or not.
  • "including 69 players from U.S. colleges and 22 international players"
  • "early entry candidates"-->early-entry candidates
  • "second biggest upset in NBA Draft Lottery history behind the Orlando Magic winning in 1993 with just a 1.5% chance."-->second-largest upset in NBA Draft Lottery history behind the Orlando Magic, who won it in 1993 with just a 1.5% chance.
  • "The Miami Heat and the Minnesota Timberwolves obtained second and third picks respectively." Add "the" after "obtained".
  • "It marked the first time in draft history that freshmen were taken with the first three picks." Move this to the beginning of the second paragraph and change to "For the first time in draft history the first three draft picks were all freshmen."
  • "Another record was set when ten freshmen were drafted in the first round and twelve in total." So what was the record? The ten first-round freshmen or the twelve total freshmen?
  • "Out of the players drafted, 29 are forwards, 19 are guards, and 12 are centers." Links to the positions, please?
  • "This was also the Seattle SuperSonics' last official team draft."-->The 2008 Draft was the Seattle SuperSonics' last official team draft.
  • "In July, the franchise relocated to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma as the Oklahoma City Thunder. "-->In July, the franchise relocated to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma and was renamed to the Oklahoma City Thunder.
  • "Marko Jaric "-->Marko Jarić Dabomb87 (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done all—Chris! ct 22:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah
  • Oppose
    • Since you've already mentioned that the first three were freshmen, remove the redundant ", a freshman" part after each name in that second paragraph. It will become "...Rose from the U of Memphis".
    • A note should be added next to the third and fifth picks. As a reader, I just read that Minnesota traded that pick to Memphis, but I need details! Make it easy to navigate, please!
    • Same thing with the 11th and 13th picks.
    • The 15th pick needs a note to click on, as well. Plus, I suggest removing the "as part of the XX trade" part when you add that clickable note because it's kinda unfair to the third pick along with others.
    • ^Same thing with the 17th pick.
    • I need more details about the 20th pick.
    • What Jason Kidd trade gave the Nets the 21st pick?
    • There are many trades that need more notes if you need me to continue listing them, just ask.
    • "Franchise would relocate to become..." - huh? Sounds weird
    • Under Traded picks whenever you mention the "second-round draft pick", can you add what pick exactly they received.

Most of the hard work is done, just need to make it easier to use, that's all!--Crzycheetah 02:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to oppose b/c most of these are pretty easy to fix. :) I have done several trades and will probably finished them tomorrow.—Chris! ct 06:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think I fixed all all of them.—Chris! ct 02:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why exactly are you not removing the "as part of the XX trade" part? I think it's too much info for the table. It's no deal-breaker, of course. I am just wondering.--Crzycheetah 05:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Another editor removed it.—Chris! ct 01:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I confirm my support after the criteria changes. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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