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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 21 December 2019 [1].

The Life and Death of 9413: a Hollywood Extra

Nominator(s): — Hunter Kahn 05:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is, at least in my opinion, a truly fascinating little film, and an underappreciated one despite its influence on American avant-garde cinema. It's less than 15 minutes long and is available to view on YouTube if you're interested in checking out the movie itself... — Hunter Kahn 05:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Looks good for FA on a quick look, perhaps a video file of the whole film could be included if it is in the public domain, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • How would I go about adding it? It's on YouTube but I assume I don't just post it from there? — Hunter Kahn 01:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • It looks like the version you've linked above includes elements still under copyright protection - if a version entirely out of copyright could be located it could be uploaded directly. Otherwise you could use {{external media}} to provide a more prominent link. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

• Quote in the lead should be cited there, even if repeated later
  • Done. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Given that the premiere appears uncertain, suggest omitting it from the infobox, or at least indicating the uncertainty there
  • Changed it to just the year, since that much is not in dispute. Does that work? — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • • The article text does not currently indicate that the year is not in dispute - if that's the case that should be specified. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Source for runtime?
  • I was under the impression this information didn't need a source since the film itself serves as a source of the information? Most FAs on films don't have a source for this. But if I'm wrong here I can try to dig one up... — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Runtime will depend on version - for example the YouTube you've linked is longer. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Infobox lists a cast member as George Voya; article text lists Voya George. Which is correct?
  • Should be Voya George; made the fix. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• What's your source for the budget after inflation?
  • The source is just for the budget and the original year; I assumed that was enough information to apply to the inflation template. Do we typically need a source for this? — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • • The inflation template uses a particular source for that calculation which should be cited, as using a different source would give a different answer. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• FN14: source link gives a different page number
  • Fixed. (This is now FN15 because of the citation for the quote in the lead.) — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• FN64 is a dead link
  • The page still existed but the URL was changed; I've updated it. (This is now FN65 because of the citation for the quote in the lead.) — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Check alphabetization of Bibliography
  • I think it looks OK, unless I'm missing something? — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Glassgold before Giovacchini. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Link provided for Allen goes to the record for a different article, and issue is missing
  • Are you sure? It's looks right to me... — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Yep, I'm sure. The Allen article is listed on the page under Related articles, but the actual record is for a different source. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Dixon's name has a double Dixon?
  • Nope, that's a mistake. Fixed it. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• What makes DVD Talk a high-quality reliable source?
  • It's been discussed at WP:RS/N and it seems to have been considered reliable there, and the sources and information at its own Wikipedia article seem to indicate it's a reliable source used by industry professionals. I personally still probably wouldn't rely on it for a great deal of article content, but as its used only for one brief mention of a DVD release, it seems OK to me. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Most of the journals cited include publisher and location, but Movie Makers does not - why?
  • An oversight, I guess. Fixed. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• The Giovacchini title is missing a couple of 'The's
  • Fixed. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Jacobs: source lists Smoodin before Martin as editors
  • I think I just put Smoodin first to alphabatize by last name, but I switched them. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• James 2001 is missing editor. Same with Moritz, check for others
  • Added. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Moritz is still missing editor, check for others. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• James 2001 link goes to the Taves 2001 chapter
  • Fixed this. I set it to automatically go to the page in the chapter where he discusses this film in particular, but if necessary I can make it just go to the beginning of the overall chapter... — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Krinsky's first name doesn't match source, and should include full date here
  • Oops, yeah, it was listed as "Tamar" but should've been "Tamara." Fixed that, and added the full date. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merritt link returns 404 error
  • It seems the preview for this book is no longer available, so I've removed the URL. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wollstein link goes to the general section page rather than the direct source
  • Yeah, there had been a biography on the NY Times page, but it seems to be gone now, and the Internet Archive didn't capture a snapshot, unfortunately. Since this source was only reinforcing a fact already cited by two other sources, I've just gone ahead and removed it altogether. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Zecević is missing the accent, number listed as volume is actually issue
  • Fixed both. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a bit of cleanup work needed on citation formatting here. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• • Thanks for the feedback, Nikkimaria. Happy to respond to anything else. — Hunter Kahn 03:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note

• I'm afraid that with only a source review (vital though that is, thanks as always Nikki) after almost a month, it's time to archive this. Given the lack of other commentary, I wouldn't object to waiving the usual two-week waiting period before a re-nom, but I wonder if a shot at Peer Review mightn't be preferable first. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:43, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 06:49, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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