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The article was promoted by Ian Rose 10:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

SMS Posen

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Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The final German dreadnought to appear at FAC, this is the end of an era of sorts. Granted, a few more articles will have to come here to bump the topic up to 50%, a project over 6 years in the making. I wrote this article in 2010, when it passed GA and A-class reviews; it has since waited in the queue for FAC. I look forward to working with reviewers to ensure this article meets the FA criteria. Thanks in advance to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - Dank (push to talk)

  • Congratulations; feels like the end of an era :) I see I did a lot of editing on this a long time ago, so I'm probably commenting on some of my own work here from back when I was a naive lad, I haven't checked.
  • "night-fighting against British light forces. In the confused night actions ... later in the night": It might be a little better to lose one "night". Maybe "In the confusion" or "In the darkness".
    • "In the confusion" seems best to me.
  • In the third paragraph, "Posen" is the subject of 4 out of 6 sentences.
    • Alternated a few of them.
  • "standard load": I'm not sure what that means pre-1920. - Dank (push to talk) 20:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose per standard disclaimer. - Dank (push to talk) 20:38, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support with a minor comment:

  • "In 1919, following the scuttling of the German fleet in Scapa Flow, she was ceded to the British as a replacement for the ships that had been sunk." (in the lead) and "On 11 November 1918, the Armistice took effect; according to its terms, eleven battleships and five battlecruisers were to be interned in Scapa Flow for the duration of negotiations for the peace treaty.[37] Posen was not among the ships interned, and she was instead decommissioned on 16 December. The ships in Scapa Flow were eventually scuttled on 21 June 1919, and as a result, Posen and the other battleships not interned were seized as replacements for the ships that had been lost." (in the main text) - this didn't make sense to me until I clicked on the link and found that the Germans had scuttled their own ships - the "eventually" probably threw me off a bit. It would be good to perhaps clarify this in the main text, e.g. "The ships in Scapa flow were scuttled by the German commander to prevent them being divided among the allies," or some phrasing like that? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image check - all OK (PD-age, own work). Sources and authors provided. GermanJoe (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • Generally, this has the same issues I raised with Nassau
    • Namesake citation
      • Added.
    • armor section cite / no deck armor?
      • Added.
    • main/secondary battery links
      • Done.
    • fix rationale for triple reciprocating vs. turbines
      • Added.
  • Complement uncited; also, define 2nd command flagship somewhere.
      • Done.
  • The note and boats in the infobox are uncited.
      • Cut both - neither are particularly important details for the infobox
  • Add the royalty present at the launching and christening. Kirk (talk) 18:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm dependent on MisterBee for that information, since HRS is difficult to get here in the US. I pinged him, but he doesn't appear to be all that active at the moment. Thanks as always, Kirk. Parsecboy (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I thought it was easier to get that than - isn't there another book we found with that info?
        • Nope - I can't find a copy outside of Germany (well, this one has a copy in the Netherlands). Parsecboy (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • I wasn't aware no libraries in the US have those books, too bad they are out of print or I'd put in a request that we would acquire them. The Great Naval Game: Britain and Germany in the Age of Empire By Jan Rüger was the other book which is in english and has some of the details, but none for Posen. Kirk (talk) 15:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - You're welcome! In closing, as I mentioned with Nassau the class article needs some attention & hopefully MisterBee can help with those gossipy details. Kirk (talk) 21:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, the class articles all need some work - they were among the first articles I wrote in this project, and as such were all sort of experimental. And of course they were written before Staff's books were published, so they're missing those at very least. Parsecboy (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

Comments based on HRS volume 6, MisterBee1966 (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments

Delegate comment -- Dab link:lnn? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was re-targeted this morning. Thanks for catching that, Ian. Parsecboy (talk) 18:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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