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As of 26 May 2024, 21:52 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
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Nominator(s): Therapyisgood (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proudly nominating this article for FAC. Instead of PR, I'm hoping an England or UK-based editor can take over where TRM left off before the last FAC was archived. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass

The article uses 2 images ([1] and [2]) from old newspapers from 1977 and 1981. Apparently, the images were published without a copyright notices next to them, which could mean that they are in public domain in the US. These two images were already present during the first FA nomination, where Buidhe raised concerns that there may be a general copyright notice for the newspapers as a whole that covers the images. @Buidhe: has that concern been resolved? Phlsph7 (talk) 09:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recall. (t · c) buidhe 15:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the timely response. I'm not an expert so I'll probably have to ask at the notice board.
@Therapyisgood: I had a look at the specific newspaper pages on which these images appear and I did not see any copyright notices. From what I understand from the previous image review, you had a look through the newspapers and the other pages did not contain any relevant copyright notices either, is that correct? Phlsph7 (talk) 08:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Phlsph7: Yes, that is correct. If someone wants to go through all the pages and finds something different from what I found, that would be OK, but I went through all of them and found no copyright notices to speak of. Thank you for bringing this up. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like there is a strong case for them being public domain but since I'm not an expert and the issue was not resolved in the last image review, I asked at the noticeboard just to be on the safe side. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as we can say confidently that there was no copyright notice in the newspaper, we should be fine. Typically, it would be either on the front page or in the masthead. - Jmabel | Talk 14:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note that the photos seem to be agency photos of sorts - File:George Floyd playing for Hernando High School, 1977.jpg is marked in the source as a "Tribune Photo" while File:George Floyd Latches Onto the Ball.jpg is sourced to "Herald-Leader". As omitting the notice from comparatively few copies in a low circulation newspaper does not necessarily void the copyright claim, some more research may be needed. Felix QW (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Felix QW: I get your point. What kind of research do you have in mind so we can reasonably exclude this possibility? Phlsph7 (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure, since I am not an expert on the subtle points of American copyright formalities – hence the cautious phrasing as a "note". I just always avoid uploading agency images under a no-notice rationale in the first place. Felix QW (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Phlsph7: I cut the images altogether. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry to see the images gone. I'm not sure that this step is strictly speaking required but given the controversy here, we are on the safe side this way. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PCN02WPS

Comments to follow. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and infobox

  • Recommend switching the way the links to the Jets' seasons are displayed: I think including "the team's" in the link to the 1982 season and "Jets'" in the '84 link make it more clear that you're linking to their season rather than the overall NFL season.
  • "EKU" is used without any explanation; of course, I know what you're referring to but it would be helpful since the full name "Eastern Kentucky University" isn't given in the lead and therefore it might be a little harder for unfamiliar readers to make that connection
  • "into the College Football Hall of Fame, and the hall of fame" → remove comma
  • "and Hernando High School; in 2009, EKU named" → Recommend splitting into two different sentences

Early life

  • "attended Hernando High School, and played " → remove comma
  • "Hernando finished as Gulf Coast (GC) Conference champions" → is the "GC" abbreviation used in sources? I find it very strange to exclude the last "C" since many well-known athletic conferences include it (ACC, SEC, MWC, AAC, etc.)
  • "Leopards' punt returner, and played on offense" → remove comma
  • "had a seventy-two yard punt" → add hyphen between "two" and "yard"
  • "during the season, and finished the year" → remove comma

Collegiate career

  • I was going to recommend using |upright for the image in this section but, and this will sound stupid, I can't find the picture in the code. It doesn't show up in any individual section so I have no idea how it's there. Some explanation would be helpful (more so for my curiosity/confusion than anything).
  • "Against Jackson State in November, had sixteen tackles" → missing word (he had sixteen tackles)
  • "win the 1979 NCAA Division I-AA football championship" → recommend another link to the championship game since it's only previously linked in the lead
  • "to the Second-team" → does "Second" need caps here?
  • "composed of the second-best players in the conference" → "the second-best players in the conference" seems a very ambiguous explanation; recommend "the second-best players at every position..."
  • I've reworked this a bit, a bit of a combination of the two. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "fourth-most on the Colonels, and he led the team" → Oxford comma used here but not with "sixteen tackles, one interception and one fumble recovery" - either way is fine, just should be consistent
  • "sixteen seconds left in the game as EKU won 24–20" → sounds like EKU won the game at the same time he picked off the pass with 16 seconds left, recommend changing "as" to something else
  • "against the Broncos" → "against Boise State" (update note at the end of the sentence too)
  • "Floyd was in the school's record book no fewer than eight times" → is the exact number not known?
  • The source uses the same language. I found EKU's 1982 media guide which does in fact list 8 records dead on for Floyd. I've updated the article accordingly. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Professional career

  • "of the 1982 NFL draft, with the 107th" → remove comma
  • "John Rowe of The Record described Floyd as a "hard hitter" in July" → this sentence sticks out just a bit; was this in context of his mini-camp/training camp/offseason performance with NYJ or just a review of him as a college player?
  • "Floyd appeared at both safety spots (both free safety and strong safety)" → repetitive use of "both", recommend nixing the second
  • "Bill Verigan of the New York Daily News" → is there a reason "New York" isn't italicized? The publication's WP article seems to give the whole title italics
  • At some point back when I wrote this the NYDN wasn't in all italics, the "New York" part wasn't italicized. I don't have a strong preference either way, so changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "late October, and became a starter" → remove comma
  • "Paul Needell of the New York Daily News" → ditto as above

Personal life

  • Lots of "Floyd" in the first few sentences; most of these can be changed to "He"
  • "major at EKU, and wanted to teach" → remove comma
  • "He married his wife in March 1983" → Any chance her name could be found?
  • "As of 2023, Floyd is a defensive backs coach for Conner High School in Kentucky" → the previous sentence says he is employed at Boone County; does this mean he is employed at Conner too?
  • Yes. Unfortunately Boone doesn't have a staff directory on their website (they do but it's blank). It's also not archived at the Internet Archive, so no luck there. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I've got for prose. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS: comments responded to. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, happy to support. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment

More than three weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harper J. Cole

  • Floyd attended Hernando High School, where he was selected for The Tampa Tribune's all-area football team in all three of his varsity years, composed of the best high school football players in the area. I'm not sure you need the last part of this sentence "composed of..." as it contains nothing that cannot be deduced from the rest of the sentence.
  • Also with "The Tampa Tribune's" you aren't italicising the apostrophe and the s (this happens a few times during the article). Unless there's a Wikipedia convention to the contrary, it seems like the whole word should be italicised, even if part of it isn't wikilinked.
  • After missing the entire 1983 Jets' season While technically correct, it isn't standard to put a possessive apostrophe on "Jets" in this context (as indeed, the article itself does not).
  • during the 1985 NFL preseason, where teams played exhibition games before their regular seasons began. No need to explain what the preseason is; it's tangential to the article, and curious readers can always follow the wikilink.
  • the hall of fame classes of EKU and Hernando High School Usually a hall of fame class refers to a specific year (class of 2024 being the players inducted in 2024, for instance). If you're not giving a year, then simply "the halls of fame of EKU and Hernando High School" would be standard.
  • and made The Tampa Tribune's (TTT's) all-area football team, composed of the best high school football players in the area. As above, the explanation seems unnecessary.
  • a seventy-two-yard punt return Touchdown lengths are always written with numbers ("72-yard").
  • he earned TTT Hernando County Player of the Week for the performance on September 30 No need to add the date here; it adds confusion as to whether we're still talking about the game with North Marion.
  • named to TTT all-area team Either "TTT's all-area team" or "the TTT all-area team."
  • Before the 1980 season, OVC football head coaches voted Floyd to the preseason All-OVC Team. No need to specify the preseason as you've already said it was before the season.
  • as of 2020, he holds or ties five school records Can we get more recent than 2020?
  • In an article about the Jets' training camp Wikilink training camp here, as it's the first time it's used (you're currently linking it in the next sentence).
  • The Jets waived Floyd in October 1985 (an NFL process in which a team releases a player and makes him available to all other NFL teams) No need to explain the term "waived" as you have it wikilinked.
  • He taught physical education for eighteen years at Bellevue and Boone County High Schools and, as of 2020, works as an assistant principal at Boone County High School. As of 2023, Floyd is a defensive backs coach for Conner High School in Kentucky. Would his post at Conner High School not imply that he no longer has the Boone County job, or could he work for both?

Harper J. Cole (talk) 16:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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