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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 22:28, 2 September 2008 [1].

Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song)

Nominator: Efe (talk)
previous FAC (00:44, 4 July 2008)


This is the third time. I almost got this to FA but there were three opposes that I failed to address as quickly as it should. I believe all comments have been given attention and there has been a pre-FAC feedback that helped this one to reach some level of readyness. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 11:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Images/Nonfree content
    • Image:Deja Vu.jpg- thorough fair use rationale, source and license present
    • Image:DejaVuSample.ogg- thorough fair use rationale, source and license present
    • Image:Beyonce-Deja Vu in Sweden.jpg- free image, source and license present
    • Image:Dejavu-video2.jpg- non-free with proper rationale, although I think it might be a bit weak. "intended to represent the nature of the single"... but does it significantly aid understanding of the topic? Generally I would say no, but it does have a tie-in by illustrating the sexual themes commented upon in the article body. I'm iffy about inclusion, but if others agree it can be kept, I would make the rationale more explicit for purpose- something like "illustrates sexual content commented upon by reviewers and which provoked a fan response, commented upon in the article".
--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Efe (talk) 06:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still think there are issues with Image:Dejavu-video2.jpg, I would certainly imagine the text would justify a screenshot, I dont think this is very clear what is going on, and it is quite dark. I havent seen the video, but is there a better shot? Fasach Nua (talk) 08:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In some sources, the scene is where the "unacceptable interaction" best shown. Its Knowles detaching Jay-Z's belt and seems "about to give a fellatio". Which part is wrong? The caption or the fair use? --Efe (talk) 09:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would maybe increase the image quality, I think the caption and FU rationale are probably okay Fasach Nua (talk) 10:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I'll try uploading clearer one. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 11:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did a screencapture off Beyonce's official site and uploaded a new version which is a tad less grainy and pixelated than the previous iteration. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 23:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Any more concerns? --Efe (talk) 05:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment in addendum to David's comment, Image:Dejavu-video2.jpg contains what I think is an unacceptable trademark (the MTV symbol). We are not giving free advertising to MTV — please get a video still without the symbol. --Laser brain (talk) 20:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removed watermark. --Efe (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
  • ""Déjà Vu" is influenced by late-'70s funk elements,[6] soul and hip hop genres.[7]" - Isn't this merely the opinion of the reviewers in question? Unless the songwriters confirm the influences, then this is speculation, and should be written as being merely their opinion.—This is part of a comment by LuciferMorgan (of 22:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)), which was interrupted by the following: [reply]
    • Yes. Knowles mentioned the influences of this song and many reviewers were the same. --Efe (talk) 06:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It is hook-laden, similar in this respect to Knowles' 2003 single "Crazy in Love" from her debut album Dangerously in Love.[10]" - This is a comparison, so someone has arrived at an actual conclusion. Can you please clarify in the article whom has drawn that comparison? Whether something is similar isn't factual, and opinions differ from person to person.—This is part of a comment by LuciferMorgan (of 22:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)), which was interrupted by the following: [reply]
    • The writer is not disclosed, an AP. Is this a big issue? "Crazy in Love" is hook-laden (see the article). --Efe (talk) 06:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am not referring to the term "hook-laden" in any instance. I am referring to two songs being compared to one another, and yes, this is an issue, or else I would not have raised it. I am vehemently against music articles misleading readers, and so is FA criteria. LuciferMorgan (talk) 01:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any idea how to rephrase it without tending to be POVic or ORish? --Efe (talk) 05:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checked the article, and I can't seem to find anything that is an issue. LuciferMorgan (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Meets all criteria: well written, succinct, informative. Good job. Orane (talk) 07:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if IPs can support. Nice coverage. I would still make a few edits: the bass player is mentioned under the name John Webb and then under the name Jon Jon Webb; that certainly needs to be clarified somehow. More optional stuff: the last caption perhaps needs a little work, and the use of the phrase blow job seems incongruously informal given the tone of the article (perhaps "oral sex"?) 86.44.27.122 (talk) 03:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good point. The former is correct if based on the source. The latter is taken from the liner notes of B'Day. I will change it to John Webb since the source was an interview with him. Same through with blow job. Seems informal. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 04:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for an article that has come along way since the first version I reviewed in the Spring. An incredible amount of time, effort and dedication has gone into this piece. I am not a fan of most popular culture articles, and I find them difficult to judge (unless the prose is poor). In this case I'm sticking my neck out and supporting because I think the readers who Google this subject will not be disappointed with Wikipedia. Graham Colm Talk 16:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Unlink common terms like "American"
  • "was already completed" – why the "already"? It seems out of place to me.
  • "One month over" – one month over what?
  • All done. Please check. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support

Like Graham, I rarely even read pop music/games articles, but I found this engaging, apparently comprehensive (I'm no expert) and without significant issues. jimfbleak (talk) 06:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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