I am bringing up for review a close of a discussion about REVDEL-ing the diffs of two redirect pages. I think that there was consensus to revdel the diffs here, for the following reasons:
One keep !vote argued that one of the children was notable and so the diffs for that page should not be revdel-ed, whereas three editors (myself and two others) explained why the sourcing that was provided was trivial tabloid coverage.
One keep !vote argued that These are great-grandchildren of a sovereign, members of the most famous family in the world, in line to the throne and easily meet WP:GNG. This is clearly incorrect per WP:INVALIDBIO,[a] which I cited in the discussion, a well as WP:NRVE and WP:NOTINHERITED.
Another keep !vote argued that the diffs don't look that bad to me compared to examples from REVDEL categories 1-4; this argument was contested with policy-based reasons by myself and another editor, who argued that it's "bad" per WP:NPF and that Trivial and tabloid coverage are not acceptable for biographies, and the fact that these keep getting recreated suggests the potential for BLP harm from their existence in redirect history.
In sum, two of the keep !votes were based on misapprehensions of relevant guidelines (SIGCOV and GNG) and one was a gut check based on a misreading of an informational page. By contrast, the three delete !votes were all rooted in policy (WP:NPF) and a proper understanding of what constitutes SIGCOV. Thus, there was a rough consensus rooted in P&Gs and the keep !votes that ignored the P&Gs or misinterpreted them should have been discounted.
Notes
^"That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); relationships do not confer notability."
Endorse and permit recreation of full articles if sourcing is found to be arguably sufficient. Pretty much all celebrity coverage is non-encyclopedic, UK Royals are no exception, and redirection with history intact is appropriate. We don't REVDEL redirect revisions that could be part of a future encyclopedic article. If there's some argument that the revisions per se are harmful, it hasn't been made compellingly there nor here. Jclemens (talk) 23:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is just a WP:DROPTHESTICK instance. Both articles have already been redirected. There's no need to delete the page history. Let's just move on. There wasn't a clear consensus to delete the revisions. Sionk (talk) 00:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse the No Consensus if I understand correctly. This is not really a deletion review but an argument about redacting history and therefore hiding deleted articles from view. I am involved in the history of a previous article on Savannah Phillips which is currently hidden from view. As a reviewer, I accepted a draft five years ago, promoting it to article space, but it was then nominated for deletion, and I !voted to Keep, but it was deleted. However, this doesn't appear to be about whether to create articles on these girls, who may or may not be royalty. They will always be subject to argument over whether they are or are not princesses, because they really are and are not princesses.
The real issue seems to be that two articles were created without consensus, and were then cut down to redirects, and an editor wants to redact the articles from the history. There is no compelling need to hide these redirected articles, which have been blanked for lack of notability and not for biographies of living persons violations.
I don't think that DRV is meant to be a forum to discuss revision deletion of articles that were cut down to redirects, but there may not be a forum for the purpose, and here we are. There is no need to redact the redirected articles.
Endorse redaction is a strong tool, and in order to get to an overturn I think those opposing have to be shown to be clearly wrong on policy, and I don't think that was the case here. I think it's a pretty simple no consensus that the diffs were not bad enough to redact, albeit maybe another support would have tipped the scales. I also think the article that was deleted could probably have been redacted on its own before the AfD discussion was made, in line with Cryptic above. SportingFlyerT·C19:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
