Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 December 7

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7 December 2013

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Michael_D._Subrizi (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

He now has more film and book credits and an up to date wikipedia page or at least to purge the old userpage from google search.Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎65.13.68.157 (talk) 17:20, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Endorse by default. Nominator claims "film and book credits" but doesn't specify what they might be. Previous article, available here, looks really, really, really, really non-notable. I did find an IMDB profile under that name here, which has one credit in an obscure short film as "Strip Club Costumer". If that's the film credit the nom is referring to, definitely not notable and would not pass an AFD. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:02, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Michael D. Subrizi is an underground meta-fictional novelist, screenwriter, and songwriter from the New York City area and there is a draft article here. The only independent source information I found is this April 25, 2002 article mentioning a Michael Subrizi who is a director of marketing. -- Jreferee (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is also a real estate dealer, but for the author there's a review on a blog, and one book in one library in Worldcat. DGG ( talk ) 16:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Aranda (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

TfD was performed while I was unable to comment. Template was deleted with zero comments after the relist. User:Plastikspork has not contributed to Wikipedia in more than a week, and User:Armbrust advised me to take the articles to DRV. I felt that it was appropriate to discuss the matter here before the page goes back into Main Space. I have created a userspace draft at User:Jax_0677/Template:Aranda. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's be accurate about events: Template:Aranda was not deleted - it was moved to user space, specifically User:Jax 0677/Template:Aranda. Far from you having "created a userspace draft at User:Jax_0677/Template:Aranda", this is exactly the same template, without subsequent change, as the one which you are requesting DRV for. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This "draft" (in fact just the same template as deleted but moved out of template-space after) still fails WP:NENAN as was the rationale for deletion-nomination. Substandard templates like this were one of the reasons for mr. Jax_0677 topic ban that he now claims as excuse to restore it. (But mr. Jax_0677 was able to request a move to draft space.) The Banner talk 23:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay. Jax_0677, could you please summarise for us your understanding of the community's guidelines about when a navbox is a good idea and when it isn't?—S Marshall T/C 11:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

::* Withdraw DRV - To keep my answer brief, WP:NAV#Properties and bullets 1-5 under WP:NAVBOX. I know that some people have said 5 related links other than the parent article, but some people disagree, and some navboxes have been kept despite this. Because the two closing administrators have not responded to me, I brought the discussions here per WP:ANRFC instead of putting the same navboxes in main space in violation of the decision made. If no one responded after a relist, this would default to No consensus. Since there are four directly related links not including the band, and the community obviously opposes this navbox, I am going to withdraw this nomination, since Louis is a guest musician. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that this could be recreated with one more on-topic link. several singles did chart, so that should be possible. Frietjes (talk) 17:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - I have just started an article about Satisfied (Aranda song), which was marketed by students at University of Central Oklahoma, so based on this recent change, I would like to discuss this before moving back into main space. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Satisfied (Aranda song) is another one of your low quality emergency creations. The article even fails to provide proof that it ever charted... Why on earth did you get autopatrolled rights? The Banner talk 18:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was granted yesterday, but does not seem to have been requested at WP:RFP/A. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - There are two references ([1],[2]) that prove that "Satisfied" charted. The navbox now has five potential links. The song article should be brought to AfD if the song is not notable. --Jax 0677 (talk) 06:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Morningwood (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

TfD was performed while I was unable to comment. Template had 7 musicians, 2 albums and one song before being deleted. User:Plastikspork has not contributed to Wikipedia in more than a week, and User:Armbrust advised me to take the articles to DRV. I felt that it was appropriate to discuss the matter here before the page goes back into Main Space. I have created a userspace draft at User:Jax_0677/Template:Morningwood. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Let's be accurate about events: it's the same situation as above. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • This draft is identical as what was moved out of template space. Not a single character changed. It clearly proves that the topic ban, issued (among other reasons) for mass creation of sub standard templates, was not enough to get mr. Jax to created better quality templates. The Banner talk 23:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have details/a link to the topic ban? -- Jreferee (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive249#Proposal:_topic_ban_for_Jax_0677_regarding_templates The Banner talk 00:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jax 0677 - Do you have a reply to BrownHairedGirl's comment in the TfD that "they don't have 5 core links. The fact that more albums are listed in a discography is not the same as having articles on those albums to navigate between ... and if we don't have articles, it may well be because the albums are not notable" -- Jreferee (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - There are now 7 musicians, two albums and one song in the navbox draft, for a total of ten articles. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's not quite correct. There are only 5 musicians listed, two are duplicates of the previous line, two are not linked. This was this way for most of the TFD. --86.5.93.42 (talk) 07:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw DRV - While I do believe that linking the five musicians and three compositions would be a service to readers, I am withdrawing this nomination per WP:SNOW, as I realize now that the navbox did have 8 links in addition to the parent article for most of the TfD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Ima Robot (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

TfD was performed while I was unable to comment. Template had 4 musicians and 3 albums before being deleted. User:Plastikspork has not contributed to Wikipedia in more than a week, and User:Armbrust advised me to take the articles to DRV. I felt that it was appropriate to discuss the matter here before the page goes back into Main Space. I have created a userspace draft at User:Jax_0677/Template:Ima Robot. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's be accurate about events: it's the same situation as above. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This draft is identical as what was moved out of template space. Not a single character changed. It clearly proves that the topic ban, issued (among other reasons) for mass creation of sub standard templates, was not enough to get mr. Jax to created better quality templates. The Banner talk 23:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw DRV - Since Ima Robot is still active, I am withdrawing this DRV per WP:SNOW. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:The Secret Handshake (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

TfD was performed while I was unable to comment. Template has 5 links [ Luis Dubuc, Antarctica (The Secret Handshake album), One Full Year, My Name Up in Lights and Night & Day (The Secret Handshake album) ]. Luis was also a member of Mystery Skulls and Thirty Called Arson, which may be of interest to readers. User:Plastikspork has not contributed to Wikipedia in more than a week, and User:Armbrust advised me to take the articles to DRV. I felt that it was appropriate to discuss the matter here before the page goes back into Main Space. I have created a userspace draft at User:Jax_0677/Template:The_Secret_Handshake. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's be accurate about events: it's almost the same situation as above, except that you have made one subsequent edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This draft is a good example of the quality of the templates mr. Jax produced before his topic ban. Border line notability (present here with the song and the last mentioned album) was and clearly is a significant problem. The Banner talk 23:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
since an additional link has been added, the link count has increased, and I support moving it back to main template space. Frietjes (talk) 17:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - AfD before TfD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:27, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The Sammus Theory (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

The AfD discussion took place while I was unable to comment on it. There are six reliable sources shown at User_talk:Lankiveil#The_Sammus_Theory which were added to the article after the discussion took place. User:Lankiveil is on an indefinite break, and User:Armbrust advised me to take the articles to DRV. I felt that it was appropriate to discuss the matter here before the page goes back into Main Space. I have created a userspace draft at User:Jax 0677/The Sammus Theory. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's be accurate about events: it's almost the same situation as above, except that (as with Template:The Secret Handshake) you have made one subsequent edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - Redrose64, you are correct. I should rephrase, that the article was dramatically expanded from June 17-18, between the times that the last two comments were made. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Jax, I was under the impression that you had been topic banned from templates due to your having an extremely high number of problems within that area. Was that restriction lifted, and if so, by whom? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - My topic ban was in place for six months only, and ended on November 30, 2013. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:34, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And it clearly did not help to convince you to create better templates... The Banner talk 23:24, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

:This "draft" (in fact just the same template as deleted but moved out of template-space after) still fails WP:NENAN as was the rationale for deletion-nomination. Substandard templates like this were one of the reasons for mr. Jax_0677 topic ban that he now claims as excuse to restore it. (But mr. Jax_0677 was able to request a move to draft space.) The Banner talk 23:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

and this is an article being discussed here, not a template. cut-and-paste doesn't always work for comments. Frietjes (talk) 23:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found two full sources (1) Mandy Wilson. Daily Courier, of Connellsville, Pennsylvania, August 2, 2007. Unionown grad is drummer for The Sammus Theory. (2) Carlsbad Current-Argus May 13, 2010. The other source material I found is mostly appearance notices. OP links to other sources, but I don't think radio station web page posts counts as a published source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The draft is at User:Jax 0677/The Sammus Theory. -- Jreferee (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply - WRT the six links here:
  1. Station 943loudwire.com in Fort Collins, Colorado is part of Townsquare Media
  2. Hollywood Music TV is the world’s longest-running online music TV network
  3. CBS Radio is one of the largest owners and operators of radio stations in the United States
  4. Sidney Herald is the official newspaper for Richland County in Montana
  5. KCTV5 is owned by American media conglomerate Meredith Corporation (albeit to give the name of the tour)
  6. Rock Revolt Magazine was formed out of Alternative Revolt Magazine.
I feel that between these six sources, that a substantial, credible, article can be written. --Jax 0677 (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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