Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 May 13

Shaikh Amin bin Abdul Rehman (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Provided one favourable independent reference http://www.aulia-e-pakistan.com/LivingAulia.php, one unfavourable independent reference http://www.thepersecution.org/dl/2010/annual_report2010.pdf and one favourable reference by followers http://www.realandrare.info/. Ariusmuhammadi (talk) 12:45, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment can you clarify on the first you give there. I can't see a favourable reference their, I can see a basic directory listing which tells me next to nothing, is there something more there that I'm missing? (It also appears to be based on user contributions so likely isn't a reliable source) --82.7.44.178 (talk) 05:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I also can't find much in your second reference some more guidance on which part of the 150 page doc is about the subject, I can't see anything significant, a passing mention at best. --82.7.44.178 (talk) 05:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The first refers to Auliya, spelled Aulia there, which means friends of God; it includes a reference to Sheikh Amin Sahib in the third row of the pics of Aulia. Because followers of the Shaikh deem it against their concept of Fana-fi-Shaikh (i.e. extinction of self in love of one's Shaikh (for theophanic sharing of spiritual blessings) to mention other Aulia alongside Shaikh Amin, it is obvious that this reference is from an independent source not among his followers.

The second includes an adverse, albeit untruthful, reference to the Shaikh on page 10 of the report, in the sixth paragraph.Ariusmuhammadi (talk) 12:09, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Ok they are what I though they are. They aren't significant references, they are trivial mentions. Both give us next to nothing (if not nothing) which we could include in a biographical article. The independance is also not obvious to me, the first site takes user submissions, I've no idea if the subject appears because of a user submission and if it does who submitted --82.7.44.178 (talk) 13:07, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse deletion. Please read the general notability guideline. It demands significant coverage in reliable sources; neither standard seems to be met by the sources provided above. Chick Bowen 01:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Hamdu Lillah--its no use trying to publicise him when he does not want so himself--when someone tried to do so against his wish his efforts were nullified because of the propagandists--may God keep alive this access to the sea of theophanies in the prophethood of the prophet of Islam long enough for the world to see for itself what a great gift of peace of heart we have in his person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariusmuhammadi (talk • contribs) 05:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I've no idea what that's supposed to mean. Is that a withdrawal of the request? --82.7.44.178 (talk) 08:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse – The previous comment seems to be the underlying purpose behind the article, which was promotion. Otherwise, it was a proper AFD close. –MuZemike 16:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]