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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was procedural close‎. Without a valid nomination or any !vote to delete, or--after discarding sock/canvassed accounts--to keep, there is nothing for us to do here. Content disputes can go to WP:DRN or be resolved by consensus on the article's Talk page. Owen× ☎ 17:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Wonderful Pretty Cure! episodes

List of Wonderful Pretty Cure! episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I'm nominating this to stop a WP:BLAR edit war. Some editors think this should be a standalone article, others think it should be a redirect to Wonderful Pretty Cure!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christnz1990 (talk • contribs)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Anime and manga, Lists, and Japan. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: What's the rationale for deletion here? A list of episodes is a very common page type for a TV show. Why would it need to be deleted? Toughpigs (talk) 04:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  According to the BLAR edit summary of BaldiBasicsFan, 22 episodes is not enough; needs to be at least 50 or 60. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agee with @Toughpigs there should be no limit on episode numbers to create a new episode list I have seen shows that have less than 12 episode split into new pages. Anime9000 (talk) 06:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please read MOS:TVSPLIT. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  MOS:TVSPLIT was created in 22 Feb 2007 and the episode list for first Pretty Cure series was created in 22 Nov 2004 so there was no limit of episodes in order to put episodes into new page. I am sure older editors don't know this rule from MOS:TVSPLIT. Even some of the split the episodes list into new seasons pages with only 12 episode per page. Anime9000 (talk) 07:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  MOS:TVSPLIT is a WP:GUIDELINE. I don't think the creation date of the guideline is an important factor. There isn't really grandfathered exceptions for guidelines. The process is usually WP:RFC -> RFC passes -> guideline applies to everything. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  based on this Five Pillars from this site WP:5P5 wikipedia has no firm rule from this quote

  Wikipedia has no firm rules

  Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions. Anime9000 (talk) 10:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  this line "Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone" means they don't need to follow guidelines or policies. That is why users create episodes list into new pages because they don't follow WP:TVSPLIT guideline even though the episode number is really short. A lot of anime series that have 24 episodes have episode list page separate from main article. Anime9000 (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A lot of users use this rule WP:IAR they can ignore all the rules (guidelines and policies) Anime9000 (talk) 11:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Say you want to create a new episode list page for a new anime that has 12 episodes and say it will improve the article but goes against WP:TVSPLIT guideline. The user will say I will use WP:IAR to ignore the TVSPLIT guideline. Anime9000 (talk) 11:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I am sure a lot of users don't even know the policies and guideline because it's hidden and I never knew there were guidelines and policies because it was never mentioned when you create an account because Wikipedia has no firm rule. Anime9000 (talk) 12:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:TVSPLIT is a guideline and user can ignore guideline based on this quote from teahouse "people who know a lot can choose to ignore guidelines since guidelines are for the general case and sometimes not following them could be the better option." From @Usedtobecool

  And this other quote "Some users don't know or follow a given guideline, and it's a guideline and not a policy so they may have valid arguments." From @PrimeHunter Anime9000 (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm nominating this to stop a WP:BLAR edit war. I don't see a BLAR edit war here. There was one BLAR, it was reverted, and the article stabilized. In the future, should probably wait for multiple BLAR attempts before sending to AFD. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Leave it as redirect: I know that the Pretty Cure series has a bunch of episode lists, although not all of them follow the MOS:TVSPLIT guideline, and this article is no exception. May do something about these lists in the future but for now this should be a redirect. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 05:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Most of them are usually made whenever a show ends. So, leave it as a redirect until a new PreCure season starts airing next year. Same with the recent Sentai and Rider seasons. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 18:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Deal! BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 00:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Some users do WP:SPINOUT before it end like this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Hug!_Pretty_Cure_episodes&oldid=823882581 episode list created at air date February 4, 2018 never redirected was there when the anime was airing. Anime9000 (talk) 23:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: So is the episode list going to be merged back onto the series page? I don't understand why this is being called a deletion or a redirect, rather than a merge. Toughpigs (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  We can use this stop a WP:BLAR since it happened in the last series Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure. This was the link to Soaring Sky Pretty Cure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure_episodes The AFD (Articles For Deletion) can be used for discussing WP:BLAR The Pretty Cure series always had episode list split into new page @BaldiBasicsFan wants to make the episodes back to main page article page. A lot of people will know that this series will have more episodes than 12 maybe up to 50 episodes which will be enough to do an episode split. I did calc for readable Prosize all the pretty cure series including episode list had more 50kB to split the episode into new page WP:TVSPLIT they said each episode summary should be 1kb Anime9000 (talk) 23:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This seems like an easy problem to solve. #1) Merge the 12-episode page back to the show's page; #2) When there are more seasons of the show, split it out to a separate page again. What is the disagreement? Toughpigs (talk) 23:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A lot of user do this look at this one from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Hug!_Pretty_Cure_episodes&oldid=823882581 episode list created at air date February 4, 2018 never redirected was there when the anime was airing. Did a WP:SPINOUT before the series ended I think they go by this rule if they think the series have more than 40 episode they would like to split episode list at the beginning than the end of the series. Anime9000 (talk) 00:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This show will have 45 episodes based on this link: https://www.comingsoon.net/guides/news/1552863-wonderful-precure-season-1-how-many-episodes-when-do-new-episodes-come-out Anime9000 (talk) 00:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It easier to split episode into a new page in the beginning than the end Anime9000 (talk) 03:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep While technically the list is currently short enough to merge back in right now, this is an long airing series so it'll have to be split out pretty quickly anyways. Better to save valuable editor time to keep it split even if its early. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anime1990 (talk • contribs) 05:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Granted, this split was done a bit too early, and the contents needs to be fleshed out a bit more, but what's the point of shoving the episode list back into the main article again if it's going to being spun out either way in a matter of weeks? The main problem is more: deciding and reaching consensus when the right time is (in terms of season progression and episode list size) to split off an episode list. See also: WP:SIZERULE which might be a better rule of thumb, also the anime MoS. Any other of the 20 prior seasons also have separate 'List of xyz Pretty Cure' episodes' lists, splitting off its episode lists was more of a given, eventually. Cubchring8000 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note Speaking of guidelines and policies some people may not know, WP:SOCKING is prohibited. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.