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Category:Bright green environmentalism
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is fundamentally subjective and vaguely-defined. It gives me the impression of promoting a particular obscure philosophy. I'm pretty familiar with environmentalism as a movement and I've never heard of "bright green environmentalism" except through this category. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, I hadn't heard of the term either but the concept is familiar. And bright green environmentalism apparently has an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Admittedly not well known, but an entirely valid concept insofar as environmentalists are concerned. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4#Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs
Category:Galician animated films
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Galician animated films to Category:Galician-language animated films
- Nominator's rationale: In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" are not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are two different categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_animated_films). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split between Category:Galician-language films and Category:Spanish-language films, dependent on the actual language of the film. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Split per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 19:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Strongly Opposed to renaming in accordance with my !vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. Create Category:Galician-language animated films, which is not a duplicate of this category, just like English animated films are not all English-language animated films, etc. Note to Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw: this Cfd is about ANIMATED films only. a subcategory of Cat:Galician films (and Galician animated film industry is a rather notable one).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep & oppose renaming per Mushy Yank and my own reasoning at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. Most of these films are in Spanish and/or English, and renaming them will disqualify almost all of them from membership, leading to an underpopped cat that should be upmerged again. This proposal leads nowhere. (I've struck my earlier !vote as I've changed my mind). NLeeuw (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Athletes by location in Greece
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 5#Category:Athletes by location in Greece
Category:Bergey's volume 1
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Apparently the contents of the category are bacterial taxa discussed in volume 1 of Bergey's Manual of Systematic Bacteriology. This is not a defining characteristic of the subject of the articles in the category Plantdrew (talk) 19:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Football teams in Africa
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Doesn't follow the pattern in the category tree of Category:Association football teams (all articles previously categorized here were association football teams, not other football). And no other categories by continent in this category tree. P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied by nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 01:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unnecessary. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:National football teams in Africa
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete as redundant to Category:African national association football teams (yes, not exactly the same, but all articles previously categorized here were association football teams). P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied by nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 01:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Effectively a duplicate. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Argentine commanders in the Falklands War
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 3#Category:Argentine commanders in the Falklands War
Category:Horror cinema
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Horror films. Created by a user that a week later was blocked. Gonnym (talk) 17:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the category might instead be meant as a topic article, but there does not seem to be enough content about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Numismatic history of Ecuador
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Bolivia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Ecuador (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Mexico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Peru (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: All have the same single article, Macuquina. All categories and the article were created by the same user that a week later was blocked. Merge to a single target (possibly Category:Numismatics). Gonnym (talk) 17:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we do not have any other categories by country like these. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all: WP:OVERCAT Gjs238 (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all four per nom and WP:OVERCAT. Pichpich (talk) 20:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Blind cricket administration
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Blind cricket governing bodies. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Blind cricket administration to Category:Blind cricket governing bodies
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, it is a set category only containing governing bodies. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cities in Sevastopol
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- The result of the discussion was: move Inkerman to Category:Cities in Crimea and Kacha, Sevastopol to Category:Cities in Crimea and Category:Geography of Sevastopol; delete all four nominated categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Cities in Sevastopol to Category:Geography of Sevastopol and Category:Cities in Crimea
- Propose merging Category:Urban-type settlements in Sevastopol to Category:Geography of Sevastopol
- Propose deleting Category:Towns in Nakhimov Raion, Sevastopol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Sevastopol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge/delete, only one category/article in each. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Should the two populated places be in Category:Administrative divisions of Sevastopol? I wasn't fully sure. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: updated target categories per Marco's suggestion below. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but preferably to Category:Geography of Sevastopol. "Populated places in" does not make too much sense since Sevastopol is a city of itself and "administrative divisions of" is uncertain. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll update the nomination then. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all four and move Inkerman into Category:Cities in Crimea. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, so that would be a dual merge. That is fine too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's right. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand how that would be a dual merge? What exactly is happening to Kacha, Sevastopol? Pinging @PearlyGigs, Marcocapelle, and Omnis Scientia. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: it is merging to Category:Geography of Sevastopol and Category:Cities in Crimea. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's my understanding too. I think my "delete all four" opinion should have mentioned Kacha as well as Inkerman. Sorry about that. PearlyGigs (talk) 05:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster, I agree with the dual merge/delete all four proposal by both Marco and Pearly, for both Inkerman and Kacha. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: it is merging to Category:Geography of Sevastopol and Category:Cities in Crimea. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, so that would be a dual merge. That is fine too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Irish provincial cricket unions
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the parent category is otherwise almost empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lebanese Protestant hymnwriters
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lebanese songwriters. Discussion of the categorization of Wadia Sabra can take place at Talk:Wadia Sabra. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Lebanese Protestant hymnwriters to Category:Lebanese songwriters and Category:Protestant hymnwriters
- Nominator's rationale: 3x upmerge. Narrow category that's only got one person in it Mason (talk) 03:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Lebanese songwriters only. The fact that, as an expatriate, he took a job as the principal organist of the Evangelical Church of the Holy Spirit, is very weak evidence of him being Protestant. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:New Zealand men by occupation and century
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I agree with upmerging "for now" given the obvious duplication here, but I think the whole question of men by occupation versus women by occupation will require some serious discussion. Outside of things like sport, men and women work together. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Male wartime nurses
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Male nurses. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Male wartime nurses to Category:Male nurses
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category has only one page in it, who is already in a more specific Wartime nurses category Mason (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS, beyond gender there is no signifcant difference between different types of nurses. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. In nursing, gender is non-defining. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 24
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Alberta to Category:Cabinets of Alberta navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Manitoba to Category:Cabinets of Manitoba navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick to Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia to Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Ontario to Category:Cabinets of Ontario navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island to Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Quebec to Category:Cabinets of Quebec navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan to Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan navigational boxes
- Nominator's rationale: All of these categories are navbox categories, and should be named accordingly. RedBlueGreen93 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --Lenticel (talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:John Marshall Law School (Chicago) faculty
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law faculty. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The school was renamed and the corresponding alumni category was moved to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law alumni. This should follow suit. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional children by occupation
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional children. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional children by occupation to Category:Fictional children
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating this again, this time for merge. Right now it is a WP:NARROWCAT with only two subcategories. It might need to be dual merged, but either way it is clearly unnecessary with so few subcategories ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need to be rude and hostile, and most of the subcategories were removed for being blatantly incorrect so it's a different situation than last time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The old nomination was Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#Category:Fictional_children_by_occupation. And now there are four subcategories. The only contents at the time of this nomination were Category:Fictional child prostitutes and Category:Fictional child soldiers; the other two, I thought we agreed to remove (alogn with two others) at the end of the last CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they were re-added post nomination, but consensus agreed they did not belong in this category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layers with only two subcategories. I am discounting the two subcategories that were purged after the previous discussion as they do not belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 (talk) 11:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There is scope for expansion. On the topic of prostitutes, illegal occupations are still occupations. Dimadick (talk) 12:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- That was in the category at the time of the nomination, and still is. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)- AHI-3000, please stop edit warring on this matter. Do not repeatedly add members to the category that were purged as a result of the CfD discussion. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree there is scope for expansion. We have two subcategories here because Child prostitution and Children in the military are notable topics. I can't imagine any others for which this applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. I can't see any real scope for expansion beyond, say, Victorian children who were forced to work in mines or as chimney sweeps. Even so, I doubt if there would ever be enough subjects in each "occupation" to create anything more than a small category. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kenyon Owls
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies to Category:Kenyon Owls
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletes to Category:Kenyon Owls athletes
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Owls athletic directors
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball players to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball players to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football to Category:Kenyon Owls football
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls football coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football players to Category:Kenyon Owls football players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football seasons to Category:Kenyon Owls football seasons
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies swimming and diving to Category:Kenyon Owls swimming and diving
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Ladies swimmers to Category:Kenyon Owls women's swimmers
- Nominator's rationale: Kenyon College changed its fight name from Lords and Ladies to Owls in 2022. See here and here. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nomination. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom --Lenticel (talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Necessary changes. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mansas of Mali
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mansas of Mali to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire
- Nominator's rationale: rename as more accurate, this is not about the modern republic of Mali. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The modern country of Mali gained independence in 1960. Alternatively Category:Mansas, as the title Mansa is used only for the Mali Empire. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt rename or as per nom?
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- Just Category:Mansas is fine with me as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming as Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire, not as Category:Mansas. I think we need to mention the Mali Empire to provide the readers with that extra bit of information. Someone seeing Mansas might easily think it is about something else entirely, like Manassas. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Template no longer needed. After the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#Category:Cartoon Network stubs resulted in its dedicated category being deleted as underpopulated, the uses of this template were purged for whether they needed to be filed directly in Category:Animation stubs or not, and it turned out that every article with this on it either didn't belong in that category at all or was simply redundant to the page already being in the Category:Animated television series stubs subcategory, meaning it's now been completely stripped from articlespace and is now in use only on a single ten-year-old user sandbox page that's still completely unreferenced for the purposes of becoming salvageable as an article.
Essentially, without a dedicated category this is just redundant to other templates, because any possible use of it would now just result in duplicate categorization of the page in both Category:Animation stubs and one of its subcategories at the same time. Bearcat (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former Premier League clubs
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Category:12th-century Arab historians
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Category:National military histories by war
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Category:Northwest Community College Conference football standings templates
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges football standings templates. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The Northwest Athletic Conference sponsored football through the 1989 season when the league was known as the "Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges". Jweiss11 (talk) 03:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Defunct department stores of the United States and Category:Defunct discount stores of the United States
- Propose merging Category:Off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Department stores of the United States and Category:Discount stores of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter – Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation). Ham II (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary per Johnbod and WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:SHAREDNAME. As Ham II pointed out, we've already got Category:Kingdom of Great Britain. I don't see the point of a separate tree for the island of Great Britain if everything is already in Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain and other subcategories and subtrees. NLeeuw (talk) 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I think the title is the problem here. It's ambiguous given that the Kingdom of Great Britain did exist. There are articles in the category which do not belong — for example, the Hampden Clubs were 19th century. We need to carefully recategorise each member and then delete this. I agree with NLeeuw that we should use Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, etc. PearlyGigs (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comments. 1. As the nominator, I do not oppose deletion. However, deletion should be implemented as manual merge to Kingdom of Great Britain. 2. Deletion of this category moves the problem to Category:History of Great Britain by period. We should discuss that next, including subcategories, if this category is deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example, Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with Acts of Union 1800. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great Britain, if it's taken to refer to the island and not the Kingdom of Great Britain (and note the titles and scope of those articles), isn't an anachronistic term for any period, whereas United Kingdom is generally understood to be anachronistic for periods before 1801. England and Scotland are still current; Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland are not. Ham II (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example, Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with Acts of Union 1800. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Beauty pageant controversies
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June 23
Category:Jewish American jazz composers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Jewish American jazz composers to Category:American jazz composers and Category:Jewish American composers and Category:Jewish jazz musicians
- Propose merging Category:Jewish jazz pianists to Category:Jewish jazz musicians
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Non-defining intersection between genre, instrument, and ethnicity per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, jazz isn't related to Judaism. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category:Jewish jazz pianists has been emptied by an editor. Liz Read! Talk! 04:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Suicides by year
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Suicides by year to Category:Deaths by year
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- Nominator's rationale: Merge. Suicide is a way of dying. Since there is a Category:Suicide methods and Category:Deaths by year, I would argue we don't need a category for a specific way of dying by year. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t understand your rationale re: our having a cat for suicide methods and a cat for deaths by year. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Basically that its WP:OVERCAT. If a person dies by suicide, they should be categorized in the year they died and the way they died and there is no need for a seperate "by year" category for a specific way of dying. I've only nominated a decade for now to see how this Cfd goes. Then, if it goes through, I will nominate the rest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, @LaundryPizza03, @Smasongarrison, pinging for your view on this Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t understand your rationale re: our having a cat for suicide methods and a cat for deaths by year. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - There's an a category for Category:Murder by year. With your rationale, murder is a method of dying, and should me merged into Category:Deaths by year. Unnatural deaths are notable and should be categorized out.GobsPint (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GobsPint, but that isn't for categorizing people dying in a certain year, if you get what I mean. Not exactly the same thing. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose, there are a lot of suicides, so having them diffused by year is pretty helpful. Also either way, I think we should keep suicides in YEAR to be non-diffusing, so that everyone, regardless of cause of death can be found in the death by year category.Mason (talk) 22:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There is no reason to not have a by-year diffusion for this category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:S.L. Benfica (table tennis)
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Battles in Spain 3
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Category:WikiProject Fossorials
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Fossorials (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:All WikiProject Fossorials pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fossorial articles without taxoboxes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fossorials articles by importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:High-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Low-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mid-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:NA-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Top-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unknown-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fossorials articles by quality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:A-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:B-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:C-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Category-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Disambig-Class Fossorial articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Draft-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FA-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FL-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:GA-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:List-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:NA-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Project-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Redirect-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Start-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Stub-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Template-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unassessed Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Fossorials participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Project was deleted at MfD. Delete all sub-categories as well. Gonnym (talk) 17:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged the subcategories. Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all The subcategories are now listed. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. – Fayenatic London 21:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Based on the outcome of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforcing ECR for article creators WP:CSD#G5 is no longer restricted to pages created by blocked or banned users but now also applies to pages created in violation of general sanctions (regardless of any attribute of the editor, to the faith in which they created the page, or even if they knew such sanctions existed, an action I continue to think is harmful to the project but alas the consensus was not with me) and so the category name needs to be updated and this unwieldy new title is the shortest one I can craft that is accurate. Splitting the category would be sensible but also contrary to the RfC outcome which explicitly rejected creating a new criterion, so I'm not proposing that. Speedy deletion categories are usually populated by templates, but as there are multiple of them and the templates do not need to be renamed I guess CfD is the appropriate venue, but feel free to move to this to TfD if I'm wrong on that. I'm not sure if I need to individually notify editors who participated in the RFC, but I will leave a message on the RFC talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion under G5 to be more concise while making the same point. Also fine with splitting, as there are several instances already of multiple categories for the same criterion (i.e Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as hoaxes is separate from Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as vandalism) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Splitinto Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users and Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created in violation of general sanctions. The categories do not correspond to the criteria one-to-one. G3, G8, F4 and F8 have multiple associated categories while G7/U1, A7/A9 and G12/F9 share a category. Splitting also helps to keep the names descriptive; I oppose Category:Candidates for speedy deletion under G5 because speedy deletion categories are named after the reason the page is being deleted, not the internal name we give that reason on Wikipedia. If renaming gets consensus, I prefer nom's proposal to the G5 name for this reason. Nickps (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- Actually, since both of these categories already exist (I assumed the second one didn't when I wrote my !vote), there is nothing to do here unless nom wants to merge the two categories under the new name. Nickps (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm still not being clear here. I think a speedy close is in order since the CfD was seemingly opened due to an incorrect assumption, namely that all G5 candidates are placed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users. This is not true, since {{db-gs}} uses Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created in violation of general sanctions. Again, if nom wants to merge the two categories, which I oppose but is at least a legitimate issue, then the CfD should stay open to discuss that. Nickps (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- That all the relevant templates put articles into the same category was the (it turns out incorrect) impression I got from the wording on the CSD page at the time which I didn't think to check. I'm OK with either a one or two category setup as long as the title of all the categories unambiguously match their scope. However, I oppose speedily closing this discussion as Pppery has made a good-faith suggestion for an alternative renaming. I weakly oppose that suggestion for the same reasons as you (Nickps) but I see no reason to close the discussion while it remains on the table. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to close this as withdrawn - my rename suggestion was just an attempt to produce a less clunky version of your rename under the same incorrect assumptions as you. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- That all the relevant templates put articles into the same category was the (it turns out incorrect) impression I got from the wording on the CSD page at the time which I didn't think to check. I'm OK with either a one or two category setup as long as the title of all the categories unambiguously match their scope. However, I oppose speedily closing this discussion as Pppery has made a good-faith suggestion for an alternative renaming. I weakly oppose that suggestion for the same reasons as you (Nickps) but I see no reason to close the discussion while it remains on the table. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm still not being clear here. I think a speedy close is in order since the CfD was seemingly opened due to an incorrect assumption, namely that all G5 candidates are placed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users. This is not true, since {{db-gs}} uses Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created in violation of general sanctions. Again, if nom wants to merge the two categories, which I oppose but is at least a legitimate issue, then the CfD should stay open to discuss that. Nickps (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, since both of these categories already exist (I assumed the second one didn't when I wrote my !vote), there is nothing to do here unless nom wants to merge the two categories under the new name. Nickps (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crater Lake
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Crater Lake to Category:Crater Lake (Oregon)
- Nominator's rationale: Ambiguity problem. This category is for one specific lake-slash-national-park in the United States whose name is Crater Lake, but I just had to clean it up for the misfiling of several generic crater lakes in Uganda. As always, the mere presence of a usage note on the category itself is not necessarily sufficient to control the problem, as people frequently file things in categories that sound right and then walk away without checking the category to see if they're doing it wrong -- so the category itself should be named as precisely as possible to quash any ambiguity. Bearcat (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, the current name is definitely too ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Films set in Velankanni
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Films set in Tamil Nadu. – Fayenatic London 21:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Films set in Velankanni to Category:Films set in Tamil Nadu
- Nominator's rationale: "Films set in [Place]" category for a small town, without enough films filed in it to need a dedicated category. As always, every town that exists does not automatically get one of these the moment a couple of films have been set there -- it would be fine if there were five or ten films to file here, but if there are less than five then the state level is sufficient. Bearcat (talk) 16:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, there isn't even a Category:Velankanni. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Velankanni is a town of only 10,000 people. Even the adjacent city of Nagapattinam, which is 10 times larger, does not have a dedicated category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Albert Henry Krehbiel
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a person, without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. Other than the eponymous biography itself, the only other things filed here are an alternate version of his name that elides the middle "Henry", and the title of a book about him, both of which are just redirects to the eponymous biography rather than separate articles.
I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody can actually find evidence that there are enough other related articles that could be filed here, but we do not need a category just to hold three different ways of getting to the same place. Bearcat (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I created the article assuming there were articles for some of his works, but it seems not.GobsPint (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 16:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Television series about microbes
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: "[Form of media] about X" category with only one thing in it and little prospect of expansion since microbes are not a common subject of television series — and the television series here was a cartoon, so its being "about" microbes falls short of being a defining characteristic. As always, we do not automatically need an "about" category for every single possible thing that one television series has been "about" -- this would need to be common enough of a subject for television series to have at least five entries in it before it was justifiable. Bearcat (talk) 16:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, there isn't even a Category:Works about microbes. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:OVERCAT Gjs238 (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Luarsab Sharashidze
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a person, with no content in it besides the eponym himself. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to know whether there are other things that could be filed here to populate it, so I'm not prepared to just speedy-delete it as a categorization error myself without discussion and am willing to withdraw this if enough other content can be found, but people do not automatically get categories at their own names just to hold their own main biographies. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Marcocapelle --Lenticel (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F Gjs238 (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Digital-only stations on the AM band
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Digital-only radio stations. – Fayenatic London 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia does not categorize radio stations for the matter of whether they're on the AM or FM bands, so we don't need to intersect digital-only status with a criterion that we don't otherwise categorize for. Bearcat (talk) 15:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I don't see why we shouldn't categorize radio stations by band, however. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional chimney sweepers
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Category:Former Philippine Basketball League teams
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 00:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The Philippine Basketball League is defunct for several years now, so all of its teams are now its former teams. Upmerge to Category:Philippine Basketball League teams. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional female entertainers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional females by occupation. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional female entertainers to Category:Fictional females by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, possibly some subcategories will merit a dual merge to Category:Fictional entertainers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I do not see how WP:NARROWCAT applies here, but I'm not too concerned. NLeeuw (talk) 16:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NARROWCAT is irrelevant here. Dimadick (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge WP:NARROWCAT does apply because there are only three subcategories, and this also fails WP:OCEGRS. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Dimadick: do you accept the latest participants' rationale? – Fayenatic London 22:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- The rationale makes no sense to me. Dimadick (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I suppose I'll change my !vote to Weak keep as I don't feel too strongly about it. No big deal if the proposal is accepted. NLeeuw (talk) 14:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The rationale makes no sense to me. Dimadick (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tracker musicians
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock!
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a lot of opportunity for growth here. The two songs articles can be merged to Category:Songs written for films. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure.
- I would suggest to take out “I’m Not a Juvenile Delinquent” and “You Can’t Catch Me,” then just leave that category as it is. However, I guess deletion might be a solution for Wikipedia I guess. So fair enough. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 21:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- On a second thought, I oppose this deletion because WP:SMALLCAT is not approved and these songs were written for the movie. Therefore, leave it as it is. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 08:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- In other words, keep. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:SMALLCAT has been deprecated, so opportunity for future growth is no longer an accepted argument. The two songs were written for the movie, so they appear to be intrinsically related. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I think it's best for it to be deleted. It's Wikipedia, but I agree. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't see the need for an eponymous category for a film's music that only contains its soundtrack and two songs from it. They are already well-linked by other means, and there is no scheme for such categorization for similar films (no Category:Flashdance, no Category:The Woman in Red (1984 film), which each have articles for its soundtrack and multiple songs), only by the music of film franchises per Category:Film music by media franchise. Rock, Rock, Rock! isn't a franchise so even a move to Category:Rock, Rock, Rock! music doesn't make much sense (but that would be a better option than the current eponymous named one). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough.
- Best regards,
- Inajd Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters
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- The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! since that category only includes these characters and the game itself. The characters are all still in that category, so there is nothing to merge here. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. Admittedly entirely forgot about the parent category when creating the category, so I agree with the redundancy issue. Though I agree, I still would have appreciated it if we could have finished discussing this before nominating it for deletion. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess I probably should have gone a bit slower. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine, especially since this category is getting deleted either way. Apologies if I was a bit accusatory by accident there. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess I probably should have gone a bit slower. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per it being a mistaken creation according to category creator. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. Admittedly entirely forgot about the parent category when creating the category, so I agree with the redundancy issue. Though I agree, I still would have appreciated it if we could have finished discussing this before nominating it for deletion. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge, agree with redundancy, but better keep the subcat in order to keep the content in the tree of Category:Indie game characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Not redundant, it falls within an established category tree and has a clear purpose. I should remind people that WP:SMALLCAT no longer applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat might not apply, but neither does saying that we should keep a category just because it's "established". Mason (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the practice of grouping characters by game is a well-established one. This falls under that scheme and there is no reason to remove it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that it's redundant to the already existing DDLC category. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not redundant when it's a valid subcategory. Categories don't have to have things directly in them to count as a full category. Having a fully populated subcategory still counts. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that it's redundant to the already existing DDLC category. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the practice of grouping characters by game is a well-established one. This falls under that scheme and there is no reason to remove it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat might not apply, but neither does saying that we should keep a category just because it's "established". Mason (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- NOTE: If we are going to keep this, I would support keeping both and oppose a merge. I think this category is redundant, but I think it makes sense to have the other category even if this one exists. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as a valid (not category clutter) and not redundant subcategory of Category:Doki Doki Literature Club!. Just because two categories happen to contain the same articles that doesn't mean they are categorizing the same thing. For example, as Marcocapelle pointed out, the nominated category belongs in Category:Indie game characters but its parent does not. Deleting would mean we'd have to place the articles in Category:Indie game characters directly, which would not be a better way to organise that category. Nickps (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge in either direction (don't care which) - the base category is a clear WP:OCEPON case with only one article and one subcategory as it stands. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British women Marxists
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. I don't see affirmative consensus to populate, but I also don't see consensus that this should not be populated. However, if a category is to exist, you don't need to get consensus to populate the category with pages that belong in it. Therefore, I see this result as implicitly endorsing the category being populated, and will ping Nederlandse Leeuw in case they wish to do so. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:British women Marxists to Category:Women Marxists
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse this category by nationality? Frankly, I have my doubts that the intersection of gender and Marxism is defining. Mason (talk) 00:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Populate with other women from Category:British Marxists. If you have my doubts that the intersection of gender and Marxism is defining, why do you propose to take nationality out of the equation? If anything, you should propose to upmerge to Category:British Marxists instead. Anyway, quick scan suggests the following members to diffuse from parent Category:British Marxists:
- Beatrix Campbell
- Claire Fox
- Kathleen Gough
- Kate Hudson (activist)
- Claudia Jones
- Mary Susan McIntosh
- Sylvia Pankhurst
- Muriel Seltman
- Dona Torr
- Sibling cats suggest:
- Frances Curran
- Tamara Deutscher
- Kat Fletcher
- Betty Hamilton
- Lesley Mahmood
- Charlotte Raven
- Chanie Rosenberg
- Hannah Sell
- Kate Hoey
- Gloria De Piero
- Wendy Henry
- Joan Collins (politician)
- Jeanne Hoban
- Verity Burgmann
- Naila Kabeer
- Oona King
- Yana Mintoff
- Sheila Rowbotham
- Frances de la Tour
- Vanessa Redgrave
- Dorothy Thompson (historian)
- Leila Berg
- Marian Ramelson
- More than enough to populate this category. I might add that a lot of subcategories in this tree do not feature a single woman. Women are underrepresented as part of biographies on British Marxists, and I don't think upmerging this category is going to help address that gender gap at all. NLeeuw (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- For info, the articles are already in Category:British Marxists so that category does not need to be mentioned as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not proposing to merge anything. I am proposing to Populate Category:British women Marxists with the articles I listed. NLeeuw (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- For info, the articles are already in Category:British Marxists so that category does not need to be mentioned as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, but Populate per NLeeuw. There are loads of people who fit into this category. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Malaya
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Category:History of Malaysia since Independence
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Category:18th-century Wallachian poets
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The nominator and some other participants felt that the categories in question were overly specific; a few others claimed that the centuries were informative for the type of articles the categories contain. There was no agreement on whether the categories contained too few articles to be of navigational utility. Neither the nomination nor the alternative proposal reached a consensus, so at the status quo we stay. (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Wallachian poets to Category:18th-century Wallachian writers and Category:18th-century Romanian poets and Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets
- Propose merging Category:17th-century Wallachian poets to Category:17th-century Wallachian writers and Category:17th-century Romanian poets and Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets
- Nominator's rationale: 3x merge there are at most 6 people in this poet tree, without a real need to diffuse by century. I made a potential merge target category because Category:Wallachian poets didn't exist as a category.Mason (talk) 21:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm guessing I should create an indefinite number of articles for the Wallachian poets that are currently missing, because there being currently 6 articles is not enough (unlike the three articles in Category:Emperors of Thessalonica and the four articles in Category:Aqua (band) members, both of which are just right). I mean, what else are we to do with our time on wikipedia than to satisfy this type of requests? Dahn (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @DahnIt would be better if you started by making the main categories, not the intersections with centuries. All the categories you've listed are non-intersecting. A more apt analogy would be Category:20th-century Aqua (band) members and Category:21st-century Aqua (band) members. I've done my best to clean up the similar Wallachian categories, like the newly created Category:Military personnel of the Principality of Wallachia to house the 4 centuries of soldiers you made (e.g., Category:16th-century military personnel of the Principality of Wallachia). Mason (talk) 01:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is significantly less of a chore to create small intersectional and valid categories than huge category trees, which can be created at any ulterior time for reuniting the smaller categories and any articles that remain loose. I would rather create "18th-century Wallachian poets" instead of "Wallachian poets" (or rather "Category:Poets from the Principality of Wallachia" -- the two nomenclatures currently compete), if the latter option has me tagging all the articles on Wallachian poets, then sorting them by retagging the same articles with the respective narrower category! It reduces my workload and it is sheer common sense. Note how, in the "military personnel" tree, you had them all fitted nicely for you to just unify the categories; but of course you didn't realize that a lot of articles on Wallachian soldiers from other centuries (say: the 15th) are now not in the category you created, and of course you didn't go searching for such examples to include in the larger category you created (you also didn't realize that the category level you created should now include other trans-chronological articles, such as Category:Spatharii of Wallachia, all of whom were a sort of military personnel). You see: that would be the sort of work required for the part of the category tree that I hadn't bothered created, and the sort of workload you're now externalizing for others. (My contributions focus mainly on content creation, with all the intricate research this requires. I find category creation necessary, but boring -- implying that I should spend my time here on creating potentially immense categories, or hunting down articles to fill out the immense categories that others create, is a bit presumptuous. Just like other requests of that nature, for instance that I should fill out more redlinks to demonstrate to my colleagues here that a category is sufficiently valid -- that "18th-century Wallachian poets" is at least as valid a category as "Aqua members".) Dahn (talk) 02:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also: Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets is rather pointless. I had created Category:Moldavian and Wallachian chroniclers back when we didn't have a category tree for both former countries, and to address the fact that chroniclers, a sort of occupation that is entirely in the past (for a genre that ended in the early 19th-century), had a trans-border shared tradition of history-writing (and a limited number of articles to fit in there). While this shared tradition can also be argued for poets: if we already have poets in the Wallachian category, what is the exact point of creating a category (other than the already existing larger Romanian one) for "Wallachian and Moldavian poets"? Dahn (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I modeled the parent of Category:Moldavian and Wallachian chroniclers, because this is not my area of expertise. I'm fine with an alternative target, and would have much preferred that a parent category existed instead of having to make an educated guess. Mason (talk) 22:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- And I have to say I do not understand the logic whereby we "only" have a category for "foo fooians" if it is demonstrated that there are "enough" (a never-defined "enough") articles to populate it. Sure it would be absurd to have a category for just two articles (though, again, three is apparently enough in other cases). But a category exists not just to neatly group the articles in a shelf; it exists to facilitate navigation, to quickly allow our readers, through this unique instrument offered by our platform, to see all the connections between a set of articles. The evidently absurd example you provide with Category:20th-century Aqua (band) members (I do understand the rhetorical point, but still) shows that you simply do not regard this as an important feature, that you do not conceive of any practical situation in which a reader may need a quick navigational tool for seeing what and how many were the Wallachian poets in the 18th century (including all the utterly mediocre ones that would not be mentioned in a properly developed Literature of Romania), and that you do not see it fit to ask why me as an editor would conceive of a tool to assist such a reader. I find that a bit arresting. Dahn (talk) 02:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @DahnPlease just make all the proper parent categories. It's not an unreasonable ask. Mason (talk) 22:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, but to a new Category:Poets from the Principality of Wallachia (similar to Category:Writers from the Principality of Wallachia), as well as to Category:18th-century Wallachian writers or Category:17th-century Wallachian writers respectively. The split in centuries is currently not helpful for navigation. No objection to split again after there are a lot more articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is it not helpful? Please elaborate on that point. Dahn (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- E.g. from Mihai Iștvanovici there is only one other similar article that you can directly go to, which is not very informative. By merging you can directly go to 5 other similar articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- 44 subcategories to Category:18th-century poets by nationality, yet just one gets singled out. Interesting. Also note that of those 44, fully 10 have less than 4 articles included. Biruitorul Talk 07:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the other 10 may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Biruitorul You assume that I stumbled up this category by looking at Category:18th-century poets by nationality. Mason (talk) 22:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the other 10 may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support 6 is not a lot for a category, but although there is no consensus on the mininum amount of items per category at any given time, WP:MFN (the work-in-progress guideline) recommends to merge for now if a category has fewer than 5 items. I don't feel too strongly about the need to merge these categories, but it's fine with me to do so. NLeeuw (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose century categories are useful and standard for poets, and the rationale invoked is vague — there is no clear consensus about how small is too small. — Biruitorul Talk 18:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Overall I find the delete !votes are more convincing. This is not going to be defining for the majority of articles that it fits, so this content is better suited for a list (if at all). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; the idea for this category clearly came from a good faith place but I don't see how helpful it is. Losing a pregnancy is a lot more common than people think, and the further back you go in history the more common it was. Its not a defining characteristic of any of these women even though it was likely a defining moment (or moments) in their lives. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. and agree with the assessment that its creation was in good faith. There might be a handful, like Catherine of Aragon, where you could make a case that it was defining, but it's a stretch. (And if anything henry the 8th's experience with pregnancy loss would probably be more defining...) Mason (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. An earlier discussion closed as no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose I do not see any arguments being advanced why the earlier discussion (less than a year ago) should be disregarded, or how all the opposing arguments presented then should be ignored, or why those arguments have somehow been undermined or overturned. If you're just here to redo a discussion without bringing new policy and guideline-based reasons to do so, that is not helpful for the process. NLeeuw (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, I wasn't aware of the previous discussion until Marco added a link to this. But I can give you a more detailed reasoning. You can say this category can also come under WP:TRIVIALCAT since, as painful it is, it is trivial that a famous woman lost a pregnancy. It may even be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT since even an abortion can be considered pregnancy loss to some and not to others and also, to some people, giving birth to a child who died soon after birth can be too.
- Also worth noting that we now know that women aren't the only ones who can get pregnant. Non-binary people can too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, let's have a look.
- What does WP:TRIVIALCAT say? In general, if something could be easily left out of a biography, it is likely that it is a trivial characteristic. I think that depends. I know women to whom a miscarriage was traumatising and life-changing, but I also know women to whom a miscarriage was kind of okay since the pregnancy was unplanned anyway. Furthermore, I know women who consciously opted to abort their pregnancy when the circumstances were not right to complete the pregnancy, and to some of them, it wasn't a big deal, while to others it was (even though they didn't regret it, as it was the best choice in the situation). Nevertheless, pretty much all these women only disclosed their experiences to me in a private setting, with a clear understanding that I should keep it a secret from others; they wish to control which people are allowed to know it, as they consider it a private and sensitive matter, even if in the end it wasn't a big deal to some of them. I think this wish should be respected.
- For our purposes here, I think this would call for a case-by-case assessment of what impact the person in question says in WP:RS that the pregnancy loss has had on their life. We shouldn't be labelling people to whom it wasn't that important, as this could needlessly stigmatise them. Especially in WP:BLPs, as pointed out in the previous discussion, we should be very careful not to categorise such people unless they come forward with their stories and explain it was very important in their lives.
- I agree with you that the current catdesc is vague about whether it includes intentional abortions. The linked article pregnancy loss suggests it includes both intentional and unintentional cases. If that is the objection, though, the logical solution would be a split of the category rather than a deletion, wouldn't you agree?
- I agree that non-binary people can get pregnant and experience pregnancy loss as well. If that is the objection, though, the logical solution would be a renaming of the category rather than a deletion, wouldn't you agree?
- NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, respectfully I wouldn't agree with any split or rename because I also think this category is WP:NONDEF in addition to being trivial and subjective. If its worth adding, the information about pregnancy loss should be added - which is to say written into - to the article of the person. Indeed, in most cases it matters, it is gone into detail. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. That seems to suggest you no longer support deletion, does it? NLeeuw (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, where did I suggest I no longer support deletion? I very much do. I merely stated that if a person has lost a pregnancy and it is important to their lives, that information should be incorportated into their article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah sorry, then I misunderstood what you said. I guess I can understand that argument. I'll wait to see what others have to say for now. Thanks for your clarifications so far. NLeeuw (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, no worries! Thanks for hearing me out as well! :) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah sorry, then I misunderstood what you said. I guess I can understand that argument. I'll wait to see what others have to say for now. Thanks for your clarifications so far. NLeeuw (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, where did I suggest I no longer support deletion? I very much do. I merely stated that if a person has lost a pregnancy and it is important to their lives, that information should be incorportated into their article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. That seems to suggest you no longer support deletion, does it? NLeeuw (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, respectfully I wouldn't agree with any split or rename because I also think this category is WP:NONDEF in addition to being trivial and subjective. If its worth adding, the information about pregnancy loss should be added - which is to say written into - to the article of the person. Indeed, in most cases it matters, it is gone into detail. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, let's have a look.
- Delete per nom, the above, and last time. Simply not defining, plus except for a few high profile women, we usually just don't know about this aspect of lives. To judge by the category as it is, this virtually only seems to happen to European royalty and American actresses. Johnbod (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current contents might, of course, not be representative of humanity at all. But it is a good question who should and shouldn't be in here, if we are to have this category. NLeeuw (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The question is, and would be, who we have RS information for. That will only be a very small minority of our population of 397,000 women with biographies, reinforcing how non-defining it is. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow why a very small number of biographies falling into the category reinforces the argument that it is non-defining? That's true for many non-controversial categories. Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because this is extremely common, and if it was defining we would have far more entries, even given the frequent lack of information. Johnbod (talk) 12:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow why a very small number of biographies falling into the category reinforces the argument that it is non-defining? That's true for many non-controversial categories. Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The question is, and would be, who we have RS information for. That will only be a very small minority of our population of 397,000 women with biographies, reinforcing how non-defining it is. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current contents might, of course, not be representative of humanity at all. But it is a good question who should and shouldn't be in here, if we are to have this category. NLeeuw (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This isn't an easy question but having read through the extensive earlier discussion, I am persuaded that this category should be kept. It can be a WP:DEFINING event for some people based on reliable sources; if it isn't, then the category shouldn't be applied to the article (also bearing in mind WP:SENSITIVE). It seems to me correctly applied in the cases of (for example) Chrissy Teigen, Kathryn van Beek and Anne Boleyn. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03, WP:DEFINING means characteristics that person is notable for. I think you would agree that, while these women may have lost a pregnancy, they aren't defined by them nor are their lives characterised by losing pregnancies. The only serious exception is royalty for obvious reasons.
- Again, if its defining to their lives in any way, it should be added to the person's article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: In my view, the characteristic of having lost a pregnancy can contribute to notability, and is a defining event for some people. In the same way that we have categories for year of birth, where people attended high school, Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:American amputees, Category:People with polydactyly, etc, categories don't have to be the main thing that the person is notable for or the defining aspect of their life in order to be defining and useful for navigational purposes. Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03, well you can make that argument but, at the same time, not everything is categorized. Not every medical condition is categorized, not every disability. Its why "People with infertility issues" (or something similar) is not categorized and why I feel this category should not be either. I've given my reasons for why above, not least of which is that losing pregnancy is something very common and, going back further, was a lot more common. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would also not go with the old Cfd's arguments. It really turned into a huge row which was not about debating whether the category was WP:OVERCAT or not (I think it is in many ways) but rather about people saying "what about this" and so on. I hope this Cfd will be more on actual policy than the previous one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also please don't argue WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: My views are based on my own reading of the policies including WP:CATDEF, WP:TRIVIALCAT, WP:COPDEF etc, not the previous CFD arguments. In my view, this category does meet the criteria of defining for some people (even though it is unlikely to be the sole reason for notability). "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic"; pregnancy loss meets this criteria for some people.
- I wasn't arguing that "other stuff exists"; those categories were simply examples to illustrate my point, in the same way you've used "People with infertility issues" as an example of why you feel this category should not exist.
- I've read your arguments (and those of others above) and respectfully disagree, hence my vote for 'keep'. I don't seek to persuade you of the correctness of my views, and understand you take a different view. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I find Chocmilk03's arguments somewhat persuasive, but not yet compelling. Let's see what others have to say. NLeeuw (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also please don't argue WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: In my view, the characteristic of having lost a pregnancy can contribute to notability, and is a defining event for some people. In the same way that we have categories for year of birth, where people attended high school, Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:American amputees, Category:People with polydactyly, etc, categories don't have to be the main thing that the person is notable for or the defining aspect of their life in order to be defining and useful for navigational purposes. Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please see previous discussion, as Marcocapelle linked above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment. I've read through the arguments in the previous discussion and what else has been written here. Fundamentally, something is defining if it's often (or could reasonably be) mentioned in the lead. For 99% of these pages, its not defining. I still think that the category should be deleted as it isn't defining. For the very few who it could be defining, they can be added to a list. At the very very very least, this category needs to be purged. Mason (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for that clarification. Note to closer: Mason already !voted Support per nom above, so the word deleted in this comment shouldn't be counted. NLeeuw (talk) 13:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I've read through the arguments in the previous discussion and what else has been written here. Fundamentally, something is defining if it's often (or could reasonably be) mentioned in the lead. For 99% of these pages, its not defining. I still think that the category should be deleted as it isn't defining. For the very few who it could be defining, they can be added to a list. At the very very very least, this category needs to be purged. Mason (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Johnbod - categories for characteristics that are mostly non-defining inherently paint a misleading picture. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hinglaj Mata
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Propose merging Category:Hinglaj Mata to Category:Spiritual and religious images
- Nominator's rationale:
merge, the category only contains a single image.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Merge The Hinglaj Mata Temple doesn't have any scope for a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Added relevant article pages to the category-the main temple and another a fort. Krayon95 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Hinglajgarh related to Hinglaj Mata Temple? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the article itself, the fort is either named or developed after a temple of the said goddess. Krayon95 (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Hinglajgarh related to Hinglaj Mata Temple? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the new situation, delete, the category contains two different sorts of buildings in entirely different places. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- We already established that one article is about a fort. No objection to recreate the category when a handful of articles about Hinglay Mata temples have been written, but for the time being we even lack a stand alone Hinglaj Mata article. Also note that Hinglaj Mata Temple is already in Category:Durga temples which is properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 10:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per Marcocapelle. Is this an acceptable outcome for you, LaundryPizza03? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't care. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to merge en masse without prejudice to a renomination of some of the categorize on size grounds. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Connecticut (5 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Connecticut
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Delaware (1 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Delaware
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Florida (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Florida
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Georgia (U.S. state) (8 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Indiana (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Indiana
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Kentucky (8 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Kentucky
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Maine (4 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Maine
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Maryland (1 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Maryland
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Massachusetts (14 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Massachusetts
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in New Jersey (1 C, 17 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of New Jersey
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in New York (state) (1 C, 31 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of New York (state)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in North Carolina (17 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of North Carolina
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Ohio (6 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Ohio
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Pennsylvania (13 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Pennsylvania
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Rhode Island (4 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Rhode Island
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in South Carolina (36 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of South Carolina
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Vermont (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Vermont
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Virginia (1 C, 6 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Virginia
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in West Virginia (2 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of West Virginia
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. NLeeuw (talk) 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: The state in which the battle took place is already mentioned in List of American Revolutionary War battles. If mentioning the location is even useful or necessary, this list is far better than any category scheme can do. NLeeuw (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge this is simply another step in the path of destroying useful category information at the US state level. US state boundaries are in no way akin to the boundary problems found in some European countries, which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization of the Battles of the War of 1812. State boundaries have not generally changed since their formation, unlike the shifting boundaries of European geographic entities. Hmains (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully request that you WP:assume good faith, and base your opposition to the proposal on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than a personal POV of how things supposedly were in the past in North America compared to Europe so that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN conveniently does not apply to categories you created. I am simply applying our polices and guidelines, confirmed by consensus established in precedents, and I would urge you to do the same. Have a good day. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing about 'the past' involving the boundaries of the federal states of the United States. Unlike Europe of the past, the boundaries of these states are generally the same as when they were created over of last 200+ years. That means a battle that took place in a populated place of state x is still correctly stated as having been a battle in state x. I am not doing things in WP for my own convenience, whatever that may be. I am stating the facts. You have requested deletion of all these categories so I assume that is your intent--this does not involve 'faith' of any kind. Thanks Hmains (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and I did not mean to offend in any way if that is what happened. I am just here to edit. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, no offence taken. I only took issue with the passage ...which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization.... This way of saying things implies that I am deliberately doing something wrong, and that what I am doing is harmful. The first bit is conduct that users should avoid: WP:Assume good faith means that we always assume that fellow editors are trying to do the right thing, even if they make mistakes. (And I do make plenty of mistakes, and I'll happily be corrected if you can point out what I should have done instead). The last bit may be your opinion, but it is rather strongly worded; it's better not to use words such as "destruction" when it comes to reorganising category trees in a way you don't like. Hopefully that clears things up?
- My intention is to upmerge rather than outright delete these categories. Even though deletion is the result, the contents of the former categories will be preserved in their parent categories, and the logbooks will note which categories were merged into which. E.g. battles in New York state will still be in Category:Military history of New York (state), where readers and editors alike can still find them. This upmerging is based on WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, a guideline which has existed since about 2007. If you think there is something wrong with that guideline, you are free to raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Military history. Making arguments here at CFD for why this guideline should not apply to the United States, however, is not very helpful.
- Besides, practically speaking, the main article List of American Revolutionary War battles already mentions the state in which each battle took place. This is one single page for all you want readers to know about the location of these battles, right? NLeeuw (talk) 10:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, no offence taken. I only took issue with the passage ...which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization.... This way of saying things implies that I am deliberately doing something wrong, and that what I am doing is harmful. The first bit is conduct that users should avoid: WP:Assume good faith means that we always assume that fellow editors are trying to do the right thing, even if they make mistakes. (And I do make plenty of mistakes, and I'll happily be corrected if you can point out what I should have done instead). The last bit may be your opinion, but it is rather strongly worded; it's better not to use words such as "destruction" when it comes to reorganising category trees in a way you don't like. Hopefully that clears things up?
- Oh, and I did not mean to offend in any way if that is what happened. I am just here to edit. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing about 'the past' involving the boundaries of the federal states of the United States. Unlike Europe of the past, the boundaries of these states are generally the same as when they were created over of last 200+ years. That means a battle that took place in a populated place of state x is still correctly stated as having been a battle in state x. I am not doing things in WP for my own convenience, whatever that may be. I am stating the facts. You have requested deletion of all these categories so I assume that is your intent--this does not involve 'faith' of any kind. Thanks Hmains (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully request that you WP:assume good faith, and base your opposition to the proposal on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than a personal POV of how things supposedly were in the past in North America compared to Europe so that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN conveniently does not apply to categories you created. I am simply applying our polices and guidelines, confirmed by consensus established in precedents, and I would urge you to do the same. Have a good day. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge this is simply another step in the path of destroying useful category information at the US state level. US state boundaries are in no way akin to the boundary problems found in some European countries, which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization of the Battles of the War of 1812. State boundaries have not generally changed since their formation, unlike the shifting boundaries of European geographic entities. Hmains (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, per guideline. In the nomination the articles are kept at a state level, there is no destroyal taking place. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- destruction*. Otherwise I agree. ;) NLeeuw (talk) 10:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the larger categories and merge the ones with very few members per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:DIFFUSE. Merging the larger categories would make the category tree less useful for readers. The nom may prefer the list to the categories, but lists and categories can coexist without conflict. - Eureka Lott 14:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I should explain that I have only noted how many P and C there are in each of them as a secondary argument, but according to WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN (the primary argument), it doesn't matter what size the category is, as all such "battles in X" categories are considered inappropriate. (Even if we were to keep the "large" ones, which categories would you consider "large" and which ones "small"?)
- My remark that the list already mentions the locations anyway is intended to address the concern of Hmains, the creator of these categories, that valuable information or overview might be lost if the proposal receives approval, because the list covers it. Personally, I'm not sure if it is necessary to mention the locations in any list or category, but keeping them in the list while upmering the categories seems an acceptable compromise to me.
- I hope this may help to understand the rationale. NLeeuw (talk) 17:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The problem that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN attempts to address—issues arising when modern and historical names differ—is largely irrelevant here. The boundaries of South Carolina, for instance, are the same now as they were during this conflict. You're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. - Eureka Lott 14:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lots of states, provinces and especially territories didn't have their modern boundaries yet. More importantly, WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN doesn't say anywhere that it doesn't apply in some places, but not in others. It's a universal rule, it should be applied everywhere. If someone thinks there should be exceptions to the rule, they're free to start the process of seeking to amend it. But until it is amended, we should apply the guideline as it is, and not engage in special pleading.
- Given the many recent precedents in both the category space and the article space, there is a running consensus to phase out "battles in Fooland" categories and articles. NLeeuw (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:MILMOS is a style manual. Despite your protestations, it doesn't automatically override our categorization guidelines. You're veering into WP:IDONTLIKEIT territory with these assertions. - Eureka Lott 23:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- The problem that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN attempts to address—issues arising when modern and historical names differ—is largely irrelevant here. The boundaries of South Carolina, for instance, are the same now as they were during this conflict. You're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. - Eureka Lott 14:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 10:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- @EurekaLott: South Carolina's western boundary went all the way to the Mississippi River during this period though; see State cessions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia and Maine did not exist as defined areas during this war let alone separate colonies which is exactly the problem that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN is trying to avoid. I don't think placing these in the contemporary colony would make sense since the undefined western boundaries were still Native American controlled, regardless of what European maps claimed. And good luck sorting out the as-of-then unresolved competing claims on Vermont! - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. The location of the battles is not disputed and some of these categories are quite large.--User:Namiba 21:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- cmt The proponent of this change also used the Style Manual to override the Category guideline here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22 for the Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada and here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6 for the Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. And in so doing, destroyed the category navigation structure for the battles of the War of 1812. I suppose not as many category editors noticed these as have noticed this proposed change. Hmains (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Will you please stop accusing me of "destroying" things?! Said categories were upmerged by community consensus. NLeeuw (talk) 18:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Substitution tracking templates
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unclear if this is used anymore by any template as it isn't found in an "insource" search. If still used the category description should be updated with where this is used from. Gonnym (talk) 10:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Unused, as confirmed by both search and WhatLinksHere. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Baseball players from Ames, Iowa
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4#Category:Baseball players from Ames, Iowa
Category:Proto-Mongols
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mongol peoples. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Proto-Mongols to Category:Mongol peoples
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the category only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. That is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mongol states
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4#Category:Mongol states
Category:DVD interactive technology
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 1#Category:DVD interactive technology
Category:Historic buildings and structures in the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: delete, rename, and merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in the United States
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic bank buildings in the United States
- Propose Renaming Category:Historic department store buildings in the United States to Category:Department store buildings in the United States (over redirect)
- Propose Merging Category:Historic gas stations in the United States to Category:Gas stations in the United States
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in New York (state)
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic hotels in the United States
- Propose Merging Category:Historic warehouses in the United States to Category:Warehouses in the United States
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- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)
- We have plenty of objective categories for historic buildings like Category:National Register of Historic Places, Category:Historic Hotels of America, and Category:Oakland Designated Landmarks. This category is different because, in my subjective opinion, the Citigroup Center is not historic but, in the subjective opinion of another editor, it is. That's really all it takes to add an article to this tree! - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Notes: Not many full merges are necessary because I went through all the individual articles to make sure none of them would be orphaned; however, a number of subcategories would need to be selectively reparented to stay in their category tree. If this nomination passes I'll have a follow up one for the sibling categories which have different heritage register situations. An earlier nomination in 2018 ended in "no consensus" with the following participants: @Marcocapelle, SportingFlyer, Thincat, Black Falcon, and Good Olfactory:. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, subjective qualification for a building if it is not listed on a heritage register. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice 2
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Naples (2 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Kingdom of Naples
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (2 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Mamluk Sultanate (2 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Mamluk Sultanate
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Byzantine Empire (4 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Byzantine Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Sardinia. WP:MFN. There are many, many underpopulated (1 to 4 P) ambassador cats like this. Recommend future follow-ups for Category:Ambassadors of Aragon, Category:Ambassadors of North Yemen, Category:Ambassadors of the Duchy of Milan, amongst others. NLeeuw (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, WP:NARROWCAT, and WP:MFN. The current cats are too granular to aid navigation, at least with the current article count. - RevelationDirect (talk) 05:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Mason (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 22
Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 2#Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention
Category:All WikiProject Color pages
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. I realize my mistake now, and am going to edit the category's header to remove a misused template. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: No other WikiProject has a comprehensive list of members. It is also tagged as NA-Class, which does not match the intended purpose. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- This category feeds the user:HotArticlesBot for updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Hot articles. Curran919 (talk) 09:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: There are literally hundreds of such categories, including Category: All WikiProject Medicine articles, Category: WikiProject Geology articles, Category: WikiProject Biology articles, Category: WikiProject Agriculture articles, etc. They are created by the WikiProject templates. And NA class is for "A page that does not fit into any other category. Used as a 'catch-all' by all WikiProjects." That seems to be a good place to put something like a tracking category used by software (rather than a category intended for human browsing). Nosferattus (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Television series based on novels
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Television series based on novels to Category:Television shows based on novels
- Propose merging Category:Television series based on American novels to Category:Television shows based on American novels
- Propose merging Category:Television series based on Spanish novels to Category:Television shows based on Spanish novels
- Nominator's rationale: Categories without a clear point of distinction from their parents. In theory, a distinction could be drawn between television series and television films, but the parent category isn't actually doing that: there's no Category:Television films based on novels at all, and instead virtually everything in Category:Television shows based on novels or its "Television shows based on [Country] novels" subcategories is a series (sometimes even with this and one or more of those both sitting alongside each other), so in actual practice this undergrown sapling is just duplicating the parent tree unnecessarily. And even populating it more fully would just entail moving virtually everything out of the parents anyway, so they'd still just be fundamentally redundant to each other.
I'm willing to withdraw this if there's any kind of editorial will to start creating and populating "Television films based on novels" categories to sister this, but as things currently stand this isn't offering a clear differentiation from its parent. Bearcat (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree in principle, but after this merge a clean-up operation will be needed because many articles are already in the tree of Category:Television shows based on novels by country other than American or Spanish. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:B-Class vital articles in Games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 13:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:B-Class vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:B-Class vital articles in Sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:C-Class vital articles in Economics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:C-Class vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unassessed vital articles in Society and social sciences (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia level-4 vital articles in Sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in Economics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia vital articles in Economics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia vital articles in Sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Categories for vital article classifications that do not exist, and some others of questionable usefulness. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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X in the Republic of Artsakh
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bodies of water of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bodies of water of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Rivers of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Rivers of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Landmarks in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Landmarks in Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Monuments and memorials in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Monuments and memorials in Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Mountains of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mountains of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Mountain ranges of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mountain ranges of Azerbaijan
- Nominator's rationale: Country no longer exists, so there is no justification to keeping these around. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Wikipedia stores historical information as well. When the country existed, it had various things. - Altenmann >talk 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, we only keep content about former countries insofar they are directly or indirectly related to history (an example of an indirect relationship is a people subcategory). We do not have e.g. Category:Mountains of the Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Cities and towns in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Askeran Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Hadrut Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Kashatagh Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Martakert Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Martuni Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Shahumyan Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Shushi Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The Republic of Artsakh no longer exists, and all of these are likely in a subcategory of Category:Populated places in Azerbaijan. There is no clear consensus on what happens if a country ceases to exist — the only other times this happened during Wikipedia's existence was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 2003, and Serbia and Montenegro in 2006. The most recent precedent I could find was Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_December_13#Architecture_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro, but there are older precedents such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/User/Archive/February_2007#Category:Wikipedians_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_7#Category:Indoor_arenas_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro which happened shortly after Serbia and Montenegro ceased to exist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Wikipedia stores historical information as well. When the country existed, it had various things. - Altenmann >talk 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of these objects still exist — by that logic, we should have Category:Populated places in Yugoslavia. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- And I see nothing wrong with such a useful category. - Altenmann >talk 00:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, we only keep content about former countries insofar they are directly or indirectly related to history. We do have a Category:Roman towns and cities because of its significance for archaeology, but that is not applicable here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, do you have a merge target in mind? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cities and towns in the Republic of Artsakh should be merged to Category:Cities and towns in Azerbaijan. I think otherwise the articles are already in appropriate Azerbaijani categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Artsakh is history, and Artsakh content should be in history categories, not geography categories. If we categorize every place on Earth by every former administrative division they were in at one point, there will be no end to that. It's perfectly fine to have articles about the defunct provinces and other subdivisions of Artsakh though. Place Clichy (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Mellk (talk) 09:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Submerged settlements in X
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Submerged settlements in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Submerged places in Canada
- Propose renaming Category:Submerged settlements in Ukraine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Submerged places in Ukraine
- Propose renaming Category:Submerged settlements in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Submerged places in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Settlement is not standard for categories, and there is no reason to limit the categories to settlements. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Settlements demolished to make room for airports
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Populated places demolished to make room for airports. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category name is not standardized, but because there is no parallel I am not sure if it should exist. Should we have a Category:Populated places forcibly depopulated by eminent domain for the non-ghost towns on the list? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, "populated places" is used throughout. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Activists from the Grand Duchy of Posen. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category should either be merged or renamed to make it clearer how this is defining. Mason (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Polish activists in the Kingdom of Prussia for more clarity. "Polish" is meant as an ethnicity here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: thoughts on this rename target? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't love the rename, but it is an improvement over what's here at the moment. Mason (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: thoughts on this rename target? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment This question is part of a wider issue concerning the categorisation of "Polish people" during the Partition period from 1795 to 1918. Last year I tried to address it, but no consensus emerged: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland/Archive 19#Categorisation of Category:Polish people of the partition period.
- In short: we'll need to choose whether we mean "Polish" as an ethnicity (as Marcocapelle suggested), or as a nationality (as Mason is indirectly suggesting, since Category:Polish activists is in the Category:Activists by nationality tree). Ethnicity is always a difficult one to establish and results in lots of sourcing problems, and it means we can't put these people in the Category:Polish people tree (because it is part of the Category:People by nationality tree). So nationality seems the best approach. For our purposes here, the Prussian partition is best understood as the Grand Duchy of Posen, though it is a little more complicated than that (I'll get back to that).
- But how do we grant a Polish "nationality" in a time when they did not have a state? My proposal was to recognise certain historic non-sovereign entities as "Polish":
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Territorial_changes_of_Poland_1815.jpg/300px-Territorial_changes_of_Poland_1815.jpg)
- Congress Poland > Category:People from Congress Poland. This is already in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree.
- Duchy of Warsaw > Category:People from the Duchy of Warsaw. This is already in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree.
- Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria > Category:People from the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. This is not yet in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree, perhaps also because it might also / better fit in the nationality-based Category:Ukrainian people tree. (E.g. List of people from Galicia (Eastern Europe): modern period is in Category:Lists of Ukrainian people). Neither Poland nor Ukraine can really claim the KGL exclusively for themselves as a predecessor.
- Grand Duchy of Posen > Category:People from the Grand Duchy of Posen. This is indirectly in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree, namely through Category:People from Greater Poland > Category:People by region in Poland > Category:Polish people by location > Category:Polish people (by nationality). But technically there shouldn't be a link between Category:People by region in Poland and Category:Polish people by location, because the former is about people by place of residence or origin (birth) regardless of nationality, while the latter is about nationality + residence.
- Perhaps others? Prior to 1815 and after 1848, there was no Grand Duchy of Posen which at least nominally granted autonomy to the mostly-Polish population. But from 1792 to 1807, the four Prussian provinces New East Prussia, South Prussia, West Prussia and Netze District had no autonomy at all, and the post-1848 Province of Posen didn't either. It may be too much of a stretch to grand all inhabitants of these Prussian provinces (which we might understand as the Prussian partition) a "Polish nationality" just so that we can put them in the Category:Polish people (by nationality) tree.
- Until we resolve that question, it's probably difficult to do anything with these Polish Partition categories. We do not want to erase Polish history, but it's really challenging to categorise it either. NLeeuw (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be ok with Category:Activists from the Grand Duchy of Posen as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems a good idea! Most of them were even born or died in the city of Posen / Poznan itself. Only the first one, Florian Ceynowa the Kashubian, seems to have spent his whole life in Eastern Pomerania, not Posen / Greater Poland. NLeeuw (talk) 21:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For the second time, thoughts on the (new) alt rename target Smasongarrison?
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Category:Jewish Palestine Liberation Organization members
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCEGRS and possibly WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Defining characteristic WP:COPDEF, not some random members of the PLO who happen to be Jewish. No, their significance is in being Jewish members of the PLO. --Yabroq (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: this person is the creator of this category. Either way, one article is not enough to justify keeping a category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete single-article category, failing WP:NARROWCAT. The sole article is already in all of the parents, or their other subcategories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Drake & Josh video games
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Drake & Josh and Category:Nickelodeon video games and Category:Video games set in San Diego and and Category:Video games set in the 2000s. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Drake & Josh video games to Category:Drake & Josh
- Nominator's rationale: Category only consists of two articles. There were no other Drake and Josh games produced. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Oinkers42: shouldn't it also be merged to other parent categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @(Oinkers42) and Marcocapelle: for clarity, are you supporting a quadruple merge to Category:Drake & Josh, Category:Nickelodeon video games, Category:Video games set in San Diego, and Category:Video games set in the 2000s? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- My answer to User:HouseBlaster's question is yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Roman generals
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 06:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Roman generals to Category:Generals by former country
- Propose renaming Category:Roman generals by century to Category:Generals by century
- Nominator's rationale: Uphelpful bundling of Roman people. This category contains Ancient Romans and Byzantine people. Mason (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename, this is redundant as we already have Category:Ancient Roman generals by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans, just not ancient ones.★Trekker (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker, how is your opposition relevant to the nomination? We don't have any other categories that isolate Byzantine/Ancient Romans like this. There was a cfd (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27#Category:Romans_who_received_the_grass_crown) that renamed Roman categories to Ancient Roman categories already to remove this kind of ambiguity. Mason (talk) 00:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but that's not really responsive to nom. It's not helpful to have a Category:Roman generals by century when there's not even a regular generals by century category.Mason (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Defer. I think it's helpful to first await the outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#Category:Imperial Roman admirals (including a proposal to merge Category:Imperial Roman generals to Category:Ancient Roman generals). Until we agree that it's best to have a clean split between "Ancient Roman" on the one hand and "Byzantine" on the other, without overlapping "Roman" or "Imperial Roman" trees in between, I think we can't make a decision on whether to phase out the entire "Roman" tree. NLeeuw (talk) 17:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans. Dimadick (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is a point of contention about which there will never be consensus. ;) NLeeuw (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge It doesn't matter if Byzantine people are Romans if there is no navigational benefit in having an intermediate layer that, by its very nature, completely overlaps with two subcategories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge per LP03. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada to Category:Battles of the War of 1812
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Ontario to Category:Battles of the War of 1812 and Category:Military history of Ontario
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Quebec to Category:Battles of the War of 1812 and Category:Military history of Quebec
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. See also recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. NLeeuw (talk) 09:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge There is nothing stated in WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN that requires the deletion of geographic sub-categories within a 'battles of xx war' category. And doing so will harm the reader's navigation to desired articles, forcing them to mentally merge several requests together and open and read multiple articles together to obtain information such as 'what are the battles of the War of 1812 in Canada?' or 'what are the battles of the war of 1812 in Ontario?' WP information consists not only of article content but also the category structure. This is destroying content. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Destroyal of content is never the result of a category merge proposal. In this case the articles will stay in Category:Military history of Ontario and Category:Battles of the War of 1812. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur. Hmains (who created these categories) tried to use the same argument last time, and it was not accepted then either. NLeeuw (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Bengali–Assamese script
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Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Rashidun governors of Mosul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Governors of Mosul
- Propose merging Category:Rashidun governors of Fars (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Governors of Fars
- Nominator's rationale: merge/delete for now, currently only 1-2 articles in each category, this is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cricket organizations
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Category:Jesuit musicians
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Category:Jews and Judaism in Portland, Maine
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge as per Marco. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 07:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Jews and Judaism in Portland, Maine to Category:Jews and Judaism in Maine
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. The people in this category should be moved to Category:Jews from Maine. That leaves one synagogue and a school. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split between Category:Jews from Maine (the biographies) on the one hand and both Category:Jews and Judaism in Maine
and Category:Religion in Portland, Maine(the other two articles) on the other hand, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)- As nominator, I support Marco's alt plan. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- This plan is not a good one, as both synagogue articles are already in Category:Religious buildings and structures in Portland, Maine.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, then I'll strike that as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This plan is not a good one, as both synagogue articles are already in Category:Religious buildings and structures in Portland, Maine.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for the same reasons as we discussed in December 2023.--User:Namiba 21:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging those who participated in December's discussion User:Smasongarrison, User:Jahaza, User:LaundryPizza03, User:Place Clichy.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That previous discussion was a no consensus. Place Clichy (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. I don't think that a city-level Judaism category brings any value to articles about people, e.g. the likes of movie executive Hiram Abrams, BTW already in Businesspeople from Portland, Maine. Seen the volume of articles not about people (which are already in other Portland-related categories), Category:Jews and Judaism in Maine is altogether a better location. Place Clichy (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: I guess you also mean "split" rather than "merge", right? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, biographies belong in the child category for individual people — if anywhere at all. Place Clichy (talk) 08:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: I guess you also mean "split" rather than "merge", right? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why though? The name of the category clearly indicates that it should include individual people (Jews) as well as Jewish institutions. Unless there is a mass rename, that doesn't make sense. Jewish elected officials (for example) are obviously defined by their connection to the city.--User:Namiba 12:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Historical geography
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Category:Cross-platform free software (BSD; Linux; macOS; Windows)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to parents. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging to all parents:
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/trivial intersection. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Per nom, this sort of disambiguation does not follow Wikipedia policy in the slightest. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 21
Category:Major League Baseball Triple Crown winners
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Category:Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador alumni
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks the requisite sourcing and the main article for the category has been deleted. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:National Roads in South Africa
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Category:Crime action films
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Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine ✍ 07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Minor question: why Bahrayn instead of Bahrain? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because that is the most common transliteration in the literature. It also does not refer to the modern state of Bahrain, but the whole region of Eastern Arabia (historical Bahrayn/Bahrain). Constantine ✍ 14:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nom just created parent Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn 4 minutes before proposing to rename this child category. But the grandparent is Category:Qarmatians, and the main article is Qarmatians. Google-Booksing "Qarmatian state of Bahrayn" yields only 5 results. "Bahrain" is evidently the WP:COMMONNAME, there is no apparent need for this renaming, nor for the redundant new layer Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn created by nom. I suggest reverting to the situation of 3 June 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nom has actually worked on this topic and may be suggesting this move because of this knowledge, not just because of a flight of fancy. Qarmatianism is a broader phenomenon than the Qarmatian state of Bahrayn, hence the two should be kept separate, with the Qarmatians remaining as the overarching parent category/article. There ideally should be a different, dedicated parent article for the state, like ru:Карматское государство, but one thing at a time. Constantine ✍ 07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Are there "Battles involving the Qarmatians" that DON'T involve Bahrayn? Because if there aren't, I'm not sure this change is necessary. Liz Read! Talk! 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. Main article Qarmatians has an Infobox former country and an Infobox war faction, both of which provide exactly the same beginning and end dates of 899–1077.
- It also claims that it all started with Bahrain and ended with Bahrain (or Bahrayn if you will):
- Start: Eventually, from Qatar, he captured Bahrain's capital Hajr and al-Hasa in 899, which he made the capital of his state...
- End: According to the maritime historian Dionisius A. Agius, the Qarmatians finally disappeared in 1067, after they lost their fleet at Bahrain Island and were expelled from Hasa near the Arabian coast by the chief of Banu, Murra ibn Amir.
- 1067 may be a typo, as the rest of the article insists on 1077, referring to Overthrow of the Qarmatians, which is dated to 1058–1077.
- Finally, the example of Battle of Hama is so ambiguous as to what the "Qarmatians" have to do with it (which is discussed at length in the article itself, with good sources), that it cannot count as evidence for non-Bahraini "Qarmatians".
- In short, there seems to be no difference. NLeeuw (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- But the Battle of Hama is counted as a Qarmatian battle by primary sources, and will be found as such even in some modern literature. And no, the Qarmatians != Bahrayn, no matter what the article currently claims. Bahrayn was the only successful Qarmatian state, but Qarmatianism is broader than that, with adherents across the Middle East, of lesser prominence due to the lack of state power, but still following their own doctrines and with their own histories. Constantine ✍ 16:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- As said, the Battle of Hama is questionable, as other primary sources contradict it, and many modern scholars do not think it involved Qarmatians (read Battle of Hama#Background). Have you got examples of battles other than Hama that supposedly involved non-Bahraini Qarmatians? NLeeuw (talk) 11:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wesean National Leaders
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This counts as a WP:HOAX. Nothing called "Wesea" actually exists. It is an aspiration for certain separatist political movements. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per G3. Category has been emptied by an unknown person. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wesea (Western SouthEast Asia). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It was emptied by the nominator. There are scripts that can show you who has added or removed articles or categories from a category. Liz Read! Talk! 20:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, indeed. That is why I didn't use WP:G3 as my rationale. The issue is deeper than just being an empty category. But even G3 should be good enough, for now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Legendary creatures
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it, but all contents here seem to fall outside of the realm of serious modern biology. NLeeuw (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep At the moment, "Legendary" sits above "Folklore" and "Mythological creatures" - rather a lot of the contents of the first two should probably be moved to the last. As a matter of English meaning, I don't think "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it" is at all true. "legendary" suggests to me a literary source(s) somewhere quite early on, & I think there is a distinction, if a rather vague one. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not necessarily opposed to merging related folklore/legend/mythology categories together, I don't know which goes where. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- A redirect certainly seems helpful, especially if we agree a merger is a good idea, but are in doubt about the best target. One way or the other, readers and editors will thus find their way. NLeeuw (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Legends are a distinct type of folklore, and place their narratives within human history. Dimadick (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge Per nom so that the original single category for this is restored, for the most part the contents of the category have nothing to do with being from folklore, and it's an WP:OVERLAPCAT anyway with folklore falling under the purview of legends. The article itself is Legendary creature. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Either Keep, or do the following: Rename Category:Mythological creatures to Category:Creatures in myth and legend, and Rename Category:Folklore creatures to Category:Creatures in folklore. Then selectively Split Category:Legendary creatures to each of those renamed categories. I think I said this in a previous discussion on CfD, but the Myth/Legend/Folklore distinction is a bit fluid in the sources. I think for our purposes, if we use Folklore as the overall term, and then have a separate "in myth and legend" (or "in myths and legends", if preferred), then I think that should resolve most things, and help a bit more to guide editors away from applying WP:OR. But we need to be careful about Myth, especially in regards to people and creatures, because belief and religion can be involved there. - jc37 20:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Romans from Africa
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Romans from Africa to Category:Roman-era African people
- Propose renaming Category:Ancient Romans by province to Category:Roman-era people by province
- Nominator's rationale: rename, many of these people were not Romans. Aligning this with e.g. Category:Roman-era people by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question By "(Ancient) Romans", do we mean "Roman citizens", or is it just anyone who is culturally / ethnolinguistically Roman or Romanised? As far as I can tell, Category:Ancient Romans is not in the Category:People by nationality tree, but through Category:Italic peoples it is in the Category:People by ethnicity tree. Main article Roman Africans defines them as the ancient populations of Roman North Africa that had a Romanized culture, some of whom spoke their own variety of Latin as a result. If there are non-Romans in this category, that means they should either be Purged, or we should Split this category into Roman Africans and Roman-era non-Roman Africans or something. NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Smasongarrison: at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. I was worried about that already. This presumably isn't a problem for Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire then? The Nabataean Kingdom and Roman Judea were annexed after 27 BCE, but I'm not sure about the demographics of Coele-Syria (Roman province) (annexed in 64 BCE). Perhaps other scholars could correct me on this, but by my knowledge, Coele-Syria in the 1st century BCE was populated by a mixture of Greeks and Hellenised Aramaeans, Syriacs, and Jews / Samaritans, and Romans. I'm not sure there was a substantial population of "Arabs" there at a time (though no doubt the occasional Arabian merchant would pass through the region). If Arabs didn't form a significant population within the Roman Republic, perhaps this category doesn't have the same scope issues as our Roman-era Africans. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Smasongarrison: at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire appears to be more problematic than I initially thought, so I stand by the original nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- How much is "enough"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Couldn't we have both?★Trekker (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That would be too confusing. We also have a tree of Category:People from Africa (Roman province). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the first, lean oppose the second: the Constitutio Antoniniana of AD 212 granted citizenship to all free residents of the Roman empire, and while there were non-free inhabitants (slaves, prisoners), we would probably consider them Romans irrespective of their legal status. So in theory the only non-Romans from that point onward would be travelers passing through—and they probably do not represent a significant proportion of these categories. Even before this, most of the inhabitants of areas under direct Roman governance are people we would consider "Romans" in the broadest sense.
- The first proposed category could theoretically include people of any origin living anywhere on the continent of Africa between the eighth century BC and the sixth century AD—possibly later, depending on whether you include the Byzantine Empire under "Roman era". In theory this would include the Carthaginians, Numidians, Egyptians, and various other Phoenician and Greek colonists, as well as native peoples, even before they had contact with, much less governance by Rome. But the clear intent of the category under its current title is to include inhabitants of Roman Africa, not other areas, and this also limits the time period—there was no Roman era in Africa until the latter half of the second century BC, and other areas only gradually came under Roman control (for instance, Numidia, Tripolitania, Egypt). Renaming the category as proposed would dramatically increase the nominal scope in a way that is not intended.
- "Roman-era people by province" is not quite as bad, since its geographic scope would be limited to people within the borders of Roman territories, but again it would include relatively few non-Romans, since once a place became a Roman province, its free inhabitants typically became citizens, or in the case of non-free inhabitants who were owned by citizens, or natives under direct Roman governance, we would still typically call them Roman: although there must have been many non-citizens at various early stages, but there will be very few articles about them, and since the category name does not explicitly refer to citizenship, they could still be included under a broad reading of "Romans". The only people who would definitely not be included, again, would be travelers from foreign lands, and there cannot be a significant number of articles about foreign travelers in the Roman Empire—and they would not be "from" the provinces named, so it's not clear they would be included even under the proposed title.
- In all, "Roman-era African people" is a really bad choice, as its title gives it a potentially unlimited scope, unconnected with either Romans or Roman territory; "Roman-era people by province" would be misleading, since it implies a broader scope than that which is evidently intended, even though there would hardly be any non-Romans in it (possibly various Huns, Goths, Franks, or Vandals toward the end of the Western Empire, though some of these became nominally Roman). P Aculeius (talk) 12:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, all four articles in the category are about events after the establishment of the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
- NLeeuw (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @@Marcocapelle: Do you think no category is needed for the broader Palestinian territories and the events before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. --Mhhossein talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein and Nederlandse Leeuw: shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's a good question. I had always assumed that whatever area of the former British mandate of Palestine was not incorporated into the State of Israel after the war of 1948 was known as "Palestinian territories", but I would have to consult the historiography on this. NLeeuw (talk) 06:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein and Nederlandse Leeuw: shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. --Mhhossein talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)- Marcocapelle, Nederlandse Leeuw, do you stick by your initial merge !vote? — Qwerfjkltalk 11:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, merging to Category:Violence in the State of Palestine is meanwhile no longer applicable, the two articles currently in the category are pre-1967. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, so delete? keep? — Qwerfjkltalk 12:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Qwerfjkl: either keep, or disperse to Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate. (By lack of more accurate information it should default to keep.) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've got no strong opinion, but what Marco says makes sense. NLeeuw (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Qwerfjkl: either keep, or disperse to Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate. (By lack of more accurate information it should default to keep.) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, so delete? keep? — Qwerfjkltalk 12:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian commercial artists
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Category:Australian flour millers and merchants
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Category:Mayoralties of municipalities in the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category whose name is a bit confusing and not accurately descriptive of its contents. The contents here are subpages where a political figure (usually a person who went on from the mayoralty to hold much more prominent national offices, and thus has a very, very long biographical article that needed to have stuff chunked out from it for size management) has had a "Mayoralty of [Person]" article created as a spinoff from their base biography -- but that means that the defining characteristic here is "mayoralties of individual people", not "mayoralties of municipalities" (which could be too easily confused with a redundant duplication of Category:Mayors of places in the United States, and thus potentially have stuff misfiled in it by editors who weren't paying attention to the actual contents of the categories.)
So it should likely be renamed to make its intentions clearer. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Symplectic topology
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Category:Organisations based in Northeast India
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Organisations based in India not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There is already diffusion by state. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Saadi Shirazi
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. Only the writer and work of theirs in the category. Unhelpful for navigation when there are only two pages like this Mason (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fox Sports 1 people
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Category:Meitei goddesses
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Abundance goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Agricultural goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Animal goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Arts goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Beauty goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Commerce goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Crafts goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Creator goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Dance goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Death goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Domestic and hearth goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Fertility goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Food goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Fortune goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Harvest goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Health goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Justice goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Knowledge goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Life-death-rebirth goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Liminal goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Love and lust goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Magic goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Marriage goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Mother goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Mountain goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Music and singing goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Nature goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Pastoral goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Peace goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Savior goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Sky and weather goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Time and fate goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Trickster goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Tutelary goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Underworld goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Virgin goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:War goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Water goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Wisdom goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Nominator's rationale: I haven't listed all of the child categories of this, but the problem is not the parent category. The problem is that the parent category contains a massive 39 largely-overlapping categories for just 24 actual articles. I suggest that every child of this category should be merged back to the parent. PepperBeast (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Pepperbeast: I listed them all. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support There is an evident large overlap in the roles of deities in Meitei mythology. For example, Kounu appears in 24 of the 39 categories. Also merge to respective deities by type, such as Category:Abundance goddesses. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hie, Creator of many of the Categories here. To explain why so many categories were created. I actually created all the "in Meitei mythology" to basically UNCLOUT other categories. Apparently ALL the deities of Meitei mythology are Deities of Everything-and-Its-Neighbour and one of the creator of pages put each and every one (or close to it) in dozens of categories for basically almost every god and goddess. I don't know anything about Meitei Mythology, so I can't tell which god really belong in a category or not (apparently basically all goddesses or close to it are Goddess of Abundance, Beauty, Arts, Fertility, Love and lust, Peace, Magic, among other things...) Though some divinities in each Pantheon can have lots of domains (like Apollo in greek mythology, Sucellos in the celt one), and I can't tell which really belong in each category or not. Still, I note that most don't have anything in the description or a reference that would justify many of the various categories listed (I think one of the rational seems to be that if a goddess is beautiful then she's deemed a goddess of Beauty, Fertility as well as Love and lust, any divinity that is not a warrior is automatically pushed into God/Goddess of Peace and basically all divinities are Fortune ones just by existing, unless linked to something unfortunate...) This caused a bit of a strange situation in the various categories, as for exemple if you went to Category:Abundance goddesses to have a look at the goddesses of this domain, half the goddesses (17 out of 34) were the Meitei Goddesses alone, the other half for ALL the other Pantheons in the world put together... Same with the other categories, 20 out of the 44 pages in Category:Beauty goddesses were the Meitei goddesses, 19 out of the 47 pages of Category:Fortune goddesses, etc. Though when so many categories in a pagebelongs to just one other pantheon, usually creating a child page is preferable. --Zeynel (talk) 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The consequence of this is that a lot of purging is needed. That can happen simultaneously with the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hie, Creator of many of the Categories here. To explain why so many categories were created. I actually created all the "in Meitei mythology" to basically UNCLOUT other categories. Apparently ALL the deities of Meitei mythology are Deities of Everything-and-Its-Neighbour and one of the creator of pages put each and every one (or close to it) in dozens of categories for basically almost every god and goddess. I don't know anything about Meitei Mythology, so I can't tell which god really belong in a category or not (apparently basically all goddesses or close to it are Goddess of Abundance, Beauty, Arts, Fertility, Love and lust, Peace, Magic, among other things...) Though some divinities in each Pantheon can have lots of domains (like Apollo in greek mythology, Sucellos in the celt one), and I can't tell which really belong in each category or not. Still, I note that most don't have anything in the description or a reference that would justify many of the various categories listed (I think one of the rational seems to be that if a goddess is beautiful then she's deemed a goddess of Beauty, Fertility as well as Love and lust, any divinity that is not a warrior is automatically pushed into God/Goddess of Peace and basically all divinities are Fortune ones just by existing, unless linked to something unfortunate...) This caused a bit of a strange situation in the various categories, as for exemple if you went to Category:Abundance goddesses to have a look at the goddesses of this domain, half the goddesses (17 out of 34) were the Meitei Goddesses alone, the other half for ALL the other Pantheons in the world put together... Same with the other categories, 20 out of the 44 pages in Category:Beauty goddesses were the Meitei goddesses, 19 out of the 47 pages of Category:Fortune goddesses, etc. Though when so many categories in a pagebelongs to just one other pantheon, usually creating a child page is preferable. --Zeynel (talk) 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per LaundryPizza03. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as per above.Redtigerxyz Talk 03:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per LaundryPizza03. NLeeuw (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- No merging. Merging back in each category (like merging Category:Abundance goddesses in Meitei mythology into Category:Abundance goddesses) would turn many of those categories into a "Meitei-goddesses-plus-some" categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeynel (talk • contribs)
- Comment Many of these categories have been prematurely emptied by the nominator, Pepperbeast. I'm not sure why they couldn't wait until this had a formal closure before taking action. That's a task for the closer, not the nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 20:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't "prematurely empty" anything. I did my best to remove excessive categories from articles, which I would do regardless of outcome. PepperBeast (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You emptied multiple categories that are currently up for discussion! Why did this action happen now, during this discussion period? It upends any decision made here by the participants and renders this discussion moot. Couldn't you have done this emptying before or after the nomination? Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, why didn't the OP nominate all the subcategories of Category:Meitei gods as well? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because OP only has so many spoons. PepperBeast (talk) 02:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't "prematurely empty" anything. I did my best to remove excessive categories from articles, which I would do regardless of outcome. PepperBeast (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category contents were changed without clear explanation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if it matters but the categories that were emptied after this CFD discussion was opened are:
- Category:Arts goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Magic goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Savior goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Tutelary goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Pastoral goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Trickster goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Knowledge goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Music and singing goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Life-death-rebirth goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs
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Category:Australian newspaper proprietors
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Auto racing teams
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Argentina to Category:Argentine auto racing teams
- Nominator's rationale: Most of these categories were speedily renamed to their current names from the proposed names in May 2023. Discussions at the Formula One WikiProject and the Motorsport WikiProject resolved that these speedy renames should be reversed because, unlike many other sporting teams, auto racing teams may compete all over the world and their national identity is defined by their racing licence and is not necessarily related to the location of their base of operations. Consider the current Formula One World Champions: Red Bull Racing - they are universally recognised as an Austrian team (they use an Austrian racing licence and when they win a race, the Austrian national anthem is played) but their base of operations is in England. The category rename in May 2023 moved the article from the accurate Category:Austrian auto racing teams to the inaccurate Category:Auto racing teams in Austria. DH85868993 (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: because I don't want to close a 44-category CfD as "unopposed".
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- Support, because at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport there is apparent consensus for it. Nominator already linked to that discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per nominator's rationale. SSSB (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate
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Category:Christian universalists by nationality
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- The result of the discussion was: revert reparenting. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per this conversation, "Universalism" is not a denomination. I am bringing this to CfD per Smasongarrison's suggestion to confirm that others agree that this revision by Neddyseagoon is inappropriate and should be undone. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, my request was to get feedback on whether universalism should be parented by denomination or placed in the main category as a philosophy/theory. I never said that the revision from 2016 was inappropriate, I said that was a stable edit. I don't have a strong opinion, on the parent category, but I did want others to weigh in about how it should be categorized. Mason (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if I misrepresented you. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, my request was to get feedback on whether universalism should be parented by denomination or placed in the main category as a philosophy/theory. I never said that the revision from 2016 was inappropriate, I said that was a stable edit. I don't have a strong opinion, on the parent category, but I did want others to weigh in about how it should be categorized. Mason (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Revert the re-parenting per nom. Universalism is a theological concept with advocates and opponents but it is not a denomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Former Qin Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Former Qin Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Liang (Sixteen Kingdoms) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Liang (Sixteen Kingdoms) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Qin Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Qin Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Zhao Buddhist monks (3 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Zhao Buddhists
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the Sixteen Kingdoms contains partially parallel and mostly very short-living kingdoms, typically a few decades. No need to categorize Buddhist monks by each of them separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Mason (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Scottish women embroiderers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Scottish women embroiderers to Category:Scottish women artists and Category:British embroiderers
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. This is a non-defining intersection between the type of textile artist and gender. Mason (talk) 03:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:NPOV WP:BLP (Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide states: Götzen does not pursue any claim to the throne...Despite Götzen not actively pursuing any claim himself, social media users claiming to be Mexican monarchists have posted their support of his claim., therefore also WP:NONDEFINING). Follow-up to recent deletion of main article Pretenders to the Mexican throne, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico. See also User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Pretenders#NLeeuw category list.
- Some deceased people in this category also appear to be inappropriately labelled pretenders:
- Agustín de Iturbide y Green: When he came of age, Iturbide, who had graduated from Georgetown University, renounced his claim to the throne and title and returned to Mexico. So as soon as he was legally capable, he renounced his claim.
- María Josepha Sophia de Iturbide: [She inhered] the Habsburg claim on the throne. Maria Josepha was a very traditional Lady, and a devout Roman Catholic, and stayed as far away from politics as she could. Doesn't seem to have actively pursued her claim either; seems more like other people expect(ed) her to pursue it for purely genealogical reasons (but WP:NOTGENEALOGY).
- Carlos Felipe de Habsburgo isn't even in this category, but still included in Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne (apparently also only purely for genealogical reasons), so I think I'm gonna nominate that for deletion as well. NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mccapra: courtesy ping for follow-up of previous discussion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne has also been nominated for deletion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Associated TfD was closed as delete.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. We would not want to have Category:People who are claimed to have claimed the Mexican throne but who did not really claim it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Marco. (Lol, I hope no one ever makes that category, but I do love vibe the name gives) Mason (talk) 04:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Haha Marco wins the Internet today!
NLeeuw (talk) 16:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI the result of the template discussion was Delete as well: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne. NLeeuw (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Haha Marco wins the Internet today!
- Delete per nom and Marco. (Lol, I hope no one ever makes that category, but I do love vibe the name gives) Mason (talk) 04:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Whitewashing in film
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Category:Defunct Catholic schools in Louisville, Kentucky
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. There's only one page in here, and no other city (or state) level categories in Defunct Catholic schools in the United States Mason (talk) 01:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split as proposed. This seems eminently reasonable, and I have no idea why I saw the necessity for this category nearly 18 years ago. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh wait, there probably used to be more entries at some point that ended up being deleted. That's my guess. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's probably what happened. There's definitely been changes to how notability for schools should be handled, so its totally reasonable that it made sense at the time. Mason (talk) 04:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh wait, there probably used to be more entries at some point that ended up being deleted. That's my guess. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 20
Category:Permadeath games
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Category:Stereolab songs
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Stereolab songs to Category:Stereolab
- Nominator's rationale: Sole entry is a redirect. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, it redirects to the main article of the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle this is no longer the case as @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars changed the redirect target. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok but it still redirect to an article that is already in the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, just covering all bases. For the record, I'm not opposed to deletion if that is preferred. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok but it still redirect to an article that is already in the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle this is no longer the case as @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars changed the redirect target. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Barely a mention at Stereolab discography to make this category useful for just the one title. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:High Peak
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:High Peak to Category:High Peak, Derbyshire
- Nominator's rationale: Recreation of existing category. Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category is empty. Liz Read! Talk! 15:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete as duplicate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1972
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1971. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1972 to Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1971
- Nominator's rationale: This category is for people elected in the 1967 election. Given that the next election was in 1971, I believe this category's name should be corrected accordingly. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Is this category supposed to refer to when the politicians were elected or when they took office? Inter&anthro (talk) 12:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, the next category starts in 1971 and there is 1971 Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Game of Thrones templates
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:A Song of Ice and Fire templates. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category for a single template. Unnecessary level. Add the template to the parent category. Gonnym (talk) 05:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Comment: added Game of Thrones user templates to the category. —andrybak (talk) 16:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:The Taste contestants
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one person in this category for a tv show that ran for 3 seasons Mason (talk) 04:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Buildings and structures completed by year, before 1000
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 565 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 560s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 574 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 570s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 586 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 565 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 560s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 574 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 570s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 586 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 587 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 588 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 589 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 593 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 597 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 598 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 599 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Nominator's rationale: A long list of WP:OCYEAR categories — 504 in total — that all contain 3 or fewer unique articles each, overwhelmingly about religious buildings. However, almost all of these years have enough categories to justify a decade category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:565 establishments, etc. Nom is right, this is a redundant category layer for this period. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per Marcocapelle. By the way, there are probably several articles about buildings from this era which were never categorized in an establishment category. Dimadick (talk) 07:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Some of these categories are being deleted by the CFD bot as if this discussion had been closed (which it hasn't) and other categories are being emptied. This is a huge group of categories and shouldn't be handled piecemeal. Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 19
Category:Moomin locations
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There is only one article in this category, with low chances that it will ever be a meaningful size. Jontesta (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - other articles could be added to this category: Moomin World, Moomin Museum, Metsä (theme park). Goustien (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and Marcocapelle. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, Moomin World, Moomin Museum, Metsä (theme park) aren't in-fiction locations so they do not fit the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and marco. Mason (talk) 04:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Moomins as overly small and unnecessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Princes(ses) by country
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 27#Category:Princes(ses) by country
Three Kingdoms Buddhists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Cao Wei Buddhists (1 P) to Category:Three Kingdoms Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Eastern Wu Buddhists (1 C, 2 P) to Category:Three Kingdoms Buddhists and Category:People of Eastern Wu
- Propose merging Category:Eastern Wu Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Chinese Buddhist monks and Category:Three Kingdoms Buddhists and Category:People of Eastern Wu
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NARROWCAT, a relatively short period in Chinese history from 220 to 280 AD does not require splitting in every of the three parallel kingdoms. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nominator's rational. Inter&anthro (talk) 12:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category: Philosophy majors
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- *Propose deleting Category:Philosophy majors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-notable, pointless, one-off categorization. Unnecessary in light of Category:Philosophers. Tkaras1 (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we do not categorize by education level. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete It is outside the scope of Wikipedia's categorization methods. desmay (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No one is really defined by their undergraduate major. Mason (talk) 04:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian-themed retailers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The only category of its kind that I can find with the name of a nation and themed retailers on Wikipedia. This category does not make any sense as these are companies with operations in Australia, but are not Australian-themed. Themed would imply something implicit about Australian culture or history. This can be considered to be OR as the majority of articles don't make mention that they are based on the concept of Australian culture.
They would include Bloomin' Brands, Deliveroo, Gillyhicks, Kangaroo (video on demand), KangaRoos, and Kangol. Australia Dairy Company has little to do with it other than materials imported from the country. Australian Homemade is just the name of a sweets company. Bloomin' Brands is just a holding company that owns several restaurant chains.
Outback Steakhouse and Walkabout (pub chain) are the only two businesses with a theme based on Australia, but even then two articles would be too small for a category like this.
The categories that this is under Retailers by type of merchandise sold, Works about Australia, and Retailing in Australia have no relevance as these are not works in terms of literature, films, music, etc. usually considered in the line of popular culture. No evidence they sell Australian-type merchandise if that is even a thing.
And while Retailing in Australia would be considered since a couple of them do business in Australia, they should be in the Retailing category than this one if it applies. Australian Homemade is under Category:Restaurant chains in Australia, under a subcat of Australian brands, which is a subcat of the main Retailing in Australia category. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, in the spirit of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Albanian basketball players by populated place
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Container category containing only two categories. User:Namiba 11:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per Grutness. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- COMMENT: "By populated place" categories are generally kept as long as they have more than one subcat. If consensus is to merge, it should be upmerged to both Category:Basketball players by populated place and Category:Albanian basketball players, with no prejudice against re-creation if more "by populated place" categories arise. Grutness...wha? 16:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Children of two peers and peeresses created life peers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as already indicated in the speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom.
- 98.228.137.44 (talk) 00:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kryvyi Rih National University, General Faculty alumni
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Kryvyi Rih National University, General Faculty is a redundant category layer, and the alumni category only has 1 person in it. Mason (talk) 01:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge No main article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Athletes by religion
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Athletes by religion
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim athletes
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim basketball players
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim boxers
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim American football players
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCTRIVIAL, there is a long-standing consensus against intertwining sports and religion on Wikipedia (see here for example), and I struggle to see how these categories are any different. Because the article entries appear to be only from the United States, perhaps there could be a move discussion to something like Category:American Muslim athletes or Category:American athletes by religion as that may have been the creator's intention, but that still would seem to fail the site's category guidelines. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Please note that this differs from Jewish athletes since Judaism is both an ethnicity and a religion (an ethnoreligion) and most Jewish athletes identity as Jewish by virtue of being born Jewish and very few (VERY few) actually convert. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. @Omnis Scientia: please note that WP:OCEGRS applies to both ethnicity and religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed but there are exceptions to that rule as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see why. There are lots of Jewish categories for sure but that is just because WP:OCEGRS is not well reinforced. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is fair. If you want, I can go through them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see why. There are lots of Jewish categories for sure but that is just because WP:OCEGRS is not well reinforced. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed but there are exceptions to that rule as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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29 to 35 days old
June 18
Category:Usain Bolt
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: No need for an eponymous category for one related article. WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I added some pages to the category so there's not just one anymore. There are plenty more that could be added as well – for example, similar to List of career achievements by Michael Johnson or for his book, his foundation, etc. --Habst (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; it seems perfectly reasonable and, I imagine, will be more populated with time. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Refugees ennobled in the United Kingdom
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. A cross-section between refugees and nobles. While defining seperately, they aren't defining together. Also, one of them was not ennobled but rather married into the British royal family. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.98.228.137.44 (talk) 00:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Fooian Barons
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Sweden to Category:Swedish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Spain to Category:Spanish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Portugal to Category:Portuguese barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Poland to Category:Polish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of the Netherlands to Category:Dutch barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons in Italy to Category:Italian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Hungary to Category:Hungarian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Germany to Category:German barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of France to Category:French barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Denmark to Category:Danish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Croatia to Category:Croatian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Belgium to Category:Belgian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Austria to Category:Austrian barons
- Nominator's rationale: I would have speedied this but will go through Cfd first then the rest can be speedied. Rename; the name can be misleading and I think the correct form should be "Fooian barons", like it is "Fooian baronesses" and so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- No explanation or reason. Why can it be misleading? --Silverije 22:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, these are categories by nationality, not by title. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Barons from the Austrian Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Japanese films by subject
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Japanese films by subject to Category:Japanese films by topic
- Nominator's rationale: This category seems to overlap the standard "by topic and country" one. Unless I missed something. (There's no Category:Films by subject and country)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British co-ed groups
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Category:British co-ed groups
Category:Languages with ISO 639-3 code
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Largely redundant, as all major languages and most languages with millions of speakers have one. If we do decide this is a useful category, rename to Category:Languages with ISO 639-3 codes. Remsense诉 10:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mělník geography stubs
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Category:Prague-West geography stubs
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Category:21st century in Nouakchott
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/keep/delete respectively.
- Merge Category:21st century in Nouakchott
- Keep Category:History of Nouakchott
- Delete Category:Centuries in Nouakchott (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:21st century in Nouakchott to Category:Nouakchott
- Propose deleting Category:History of Nouakchott
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Nouakchott
- Nominator's rationale: merge, there is only one article in the entire tree of Category:History of Nouakchott. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Adding two categories that will become empty if this is merged. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the 21st-C and Centuries categories - keep Category:History of Nouakchott. There was some undersorting - the category now has several articles. Grutness...wha? 04:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. Then keeping the history category is reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks
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June 17
Category:Dead or Alive (franchise) films
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Dead or Alive (film series). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Dead or Alive (franchise) films to Category:Dead of Alive (film series)
- Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion with the Dead or Alive video game franchise. Could also be deleted, as the films have a fairly loose connection between them. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- May want to check on the suggested category name; you may have meant or rather than of. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Yeah right now the name is quite confusing.★Trekker (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker and (Oinkers42): do you mean Category:Dead or Alive (film series)? See Nat Gertler's comment. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Companies in the MSCI KLD 400 Social Index
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining category -- one of many indices that these companies would be on. Index's own article doesn't demonstrate notability. Nat Gertler (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - MSCI literally publishes the inclusion criteria/methodology. A company wouldn't "just be on" a list like this (ie Apple isn't). It's exclusive enough (only about 10% of companies in the US). Only reason article doesn't list them all is because there's 400 of them. And that's what a category is for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.190.234 (talk) 20:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- That might make it a defined category; that does not make it a defining category of the group's members, one that is likely to be mentioned by appropriate sources covering an individual member... which is the requirement for categorization. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of a company. If anything, a list might be created, instead of a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. For this to be a useful category, when independent reliable sources (probably in the business press) are writing articles about companies that are in the index, those sources would have to mention that, for example, "Company X, a member of the MSCI KLD 400 Social Index, etc." or write articles noting that a company was added to or removed from the Index. Those sorts of mentions would have to be made in reliable sources of a company's inclusion in the Index in order to add a sentence to the article asserting as an important fact about the company that it is in the Index. Then enough such sentences in enough such articles would have to exist before it would make sense to have a category like this. This category in recent days has been added to dozens of articles and although I haven't looked at all of them, the articles I have looked at don't even mention in the body of the article that the company belongs to the Index. This means that the many editors who have worked on these many articles have hitherto not felt that being in the Index was a notable or important fact about the companies they were writing about which might be because reliable news sources don't mention it either, with respect to the companies that belong to the Index. Novellasyes (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the interest of clarity, I should note that the IP user who responded "Keep" above actually did add text mentioning the Index listing to dozens of articles about companies on the Index (in the wake of the category being deleted from a company's page because it was not mentioned in the text.) However, the source they were using was a promotional page for an Index-based fund on Blackrock, which is not only selling a fund based on the index but is one of the companies in the Index. As such, it is not truly an independent source... and even if it were, it's not a source for the listing of a company on the source being significant to that company. I reverted those additions, as so many links to a sales page add up to the strong scent of spam. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay got that thanks! Sorry I missed it. Big old mess, right? Novellasyes (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the interest of clarity, I should note that the IP user who responded "Keep" above actually did add text mentioning the Index listing to dozens of articles about companies on the Index (in the wake of the category being deleted from a company's page because it was not mentioned in the text.) However, the source they were using was a promotional page for an Index-based fund on Blackrock, which is not only selling a fund based on the index but is one of the companies in the Index. As such, it is not truly an independent source... and even if it were, it's not a source for the listing of a company on the source being significant to that company. I reverted those additions, as so many links to a sales page add up to the strong scent of spam. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bergey's volume 1
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Category:Divers from London, Ontario
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- The result of the discussion was: delete HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Possibly merge to Category:Sportspeople from London, Ontario but the article does not mention London at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Namibia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete whole tree. Only one category which only has one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:White Southerners (United States)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. Half of Americans could conceivably belong to this group. First two applications of this cat (Confederados, Jefferson Davis) demonstrate the user's intention. This new category is associated with category creator's reverted new versions of White Southerners article. BusterD (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:OVERLAPCAT, with the current content the scope of the category seems similar to the whole tree of Category:Confederate States of America. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of Emmerdale characters
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Emmerdale characters to Category:List of Emmerdale characters
- Nominator's rationale: I feel as though that renaming it to 'Category:List of Emmerdale characters'. Reason (rationale) is because I feel as though 'list' makes more sense than 'lists', but idk if the grammar/title is in a correct format so I am brining it to discussion. JuniperChill (talk) 12:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not a list of characters, it is a category containing the "lists" of characters and hence should not be renamed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the category contains multiple lists. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Athletes by location in Greece
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Category:Plague doctor
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Plague doctors. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Plague doctor to Category:History of medieval medicine
- Nominator's rationale: Selective merge/major purge. Only two of the pages actually fit in this category; the rest are medical professionals who treated the plague. Mason (talk) 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Plague doctors, it is largely a set category. Purge Harsh Vardhan Batra who is a modern scientist rather than a 16th/17th century plague doctor. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Marco Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Marcocapelle. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 23:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 16
Category:Mexican baseball players by populated place
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn there are more categories now. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge to parent categories. Only one category layer Category:Mexican baseball players Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. There's only one subcat because one or two American baseball fans decided that baseball shouldn't be split by city (unlike every other sport). A fewcouple of Mexican city categories (such as Monterrey) were deleted at that time. I've added one that didn't exist before, so there are now two in the proposed category, but if that's seen as unnecessary, you have my permission (as sole author) to delete it too. Grutness...wha? 03:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Baseball players by populated place, the content is already kept in the tree of the two other targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cheerleader video games
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- The result of the discussion was: Procedural close. As it is uncontroversial, it will be immediately nominated for speedy renaming. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cheerleader video games to Category:Cheerleading video games
- Nominator's rationale: All other activity-related video game categories follow the format of referring to the name of the activity rather than an individual participant in it. For instance, "Cooking Video Games" rather than "Chef Video Games" and "Association Football Video Games" rather than "Footballer Video Games". The category should therefore follow this naming convention. SummerPocket (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I am going to procedurally close this and nominate it for speedy renaming instead, as it is an uncontroversial rename based on the parent category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Works by year and decade, 500-1000
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- The result of the discussion was: delete/merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:565 works
- Propose deleting Category:565 works
- Propose deleting Category:574 works
- Propose deleting Category:586 works
- Propose deleting Category:587 works
- Propose deleting Category:588 works
- Propose deleting Category:589 works
- Propose deleting Category:593 works
- Propose deleting Category:597 works
- Nominator's rationale: delete (or merge if incidentally there is an article in the category). In the period 500-1000 this category tree nearly coincides with Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion and Category:Buildings and structures by decade of completion, it is a redundant category layer that adds unnecessary complexity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The date of creation of most works from this era is not percisely known. Most of the lower-level categories are also overly small. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mansas of Mali
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Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2020s
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- The result of the discussion was: Moot. Nom is moot because cats deleted under G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2020s (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shootings in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2010s (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't need to distinguish that the shooting was terrorist related. And this is really giving off the same vibes Mason (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bombings
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- The result of the discussion was: Moot. Nom is moot because cats deleted under G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Bombings by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2024 bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2020s bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Empty pile of categories by a new editor who's category creation behavior is reminiscent of @Brudelman:. I'm nomiating the cats to just get them all out of the way in one go. Mason (talk) 18:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Com Truise
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: With only subcategories for albums (and their covers, which are only image files) along with a discography page, this is overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Basshunter instrumentals
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only category in Category:Instrumentals dedicated to one artist, and all of the items in the category are redirects. Trivialist (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Knights of Boufflers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French knights. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Knights of Boufflers to Category:French knights and Category:People from Hauts-de-France
- Propose merging Category:Knights of Chaumont to Category:French knights and Category:People from Chaumont, Haute-Marne
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The only person is each of these category doesn't mention this knighthood. Mason (talk) 14:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but to Category:French knights only. There is no evidence that these people were from somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States
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Category:Expulsions of Jews in 19th-century Europe
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews from Palestine to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews from the Middle East to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Nazi and Axis countries to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- @Smasongarrison missing rationale in this and the three other proposals above? You could bundle them with the proposal below, or copypaste your rationale from it? NLeeuw (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- You caught me mid bundle, as I had just discovered the CFD, and got distracted. Mason (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in 19th-century Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in antiquity to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Medieval Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Communist Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in The Americas to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow categories made by the same user that are not helpful for navigation. If not merged, they need to be renamed to match category conventions. Notably the category creator participated in the CFD Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_7#Category:Expulsions_of_Jews_in_Nazi-controlled_Europe, which ended in delete/merge. They immediately recreated one of the categories and added the page back less than 24 hours after the CFD was processed.[1] Mason (talk) 13:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pining folks from previous cfd @Marcocapelle @Buidhe @Keizers @Pppery @Liz. Mason (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Purge and merge, many articles aren't about an expulsion at all. Too few really are about an expulsion so we do not need this diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – Per nom. Yue🌙 06:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1986
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1986 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1981 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1967 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1940 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1971 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize alumn by the year they graduated (with rare exception) Mason (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Primary sources on Philippine history in the 16th century
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge. Is a non-defining 3x intersection category, and several of the documents in 16th century aren't actually from the 16th century Mason (talk) 12:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Quite interesting, actually, but Mason is right. NLeeuw (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Authors of Spanish ethnographic accounts of the Philippines in the 16th century
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Historians of the Philippines and Category:16th-century Spanish historians and Category:Spanish people in the colonial Philippines. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Multiple merge this Narrow category. If not merged, it should be renamed to Spanish ethnographers of the colonial Philippines or something to that effect Mason (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, though I doubt if these articles should be in an ethnographers category. On the other hand, they may also be added to Category:Historians of the Philippines. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- O.o great find! Category:Historians of the Philippines is an excellent merge alternative. Mason (talk) 14:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:21st-century Somali-Canadian women engineers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Extremely narrow intersection, made by a user who hasn't really learned how categories work Mason (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the article is already in Category:Somalian emigrants to Canada. Category:21st-century Somali women engineers should be deleted too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete's fine with me. 21st-century Somali women engineers with be empty afterwards. Mason (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:African women mathematicians
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:African women mathematicians to Category:African mathematicians
- Nominator's rationale: Is underpopulated at the moment. It could be used as a container category. Mason (talk) 03:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in a mathematicians by nationality category. It is odd to have biographies directly in a continent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete's fine with me Mason (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:African women in engineering
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There's no African engineers category parent category. Delete per EGRS. I'm working on adding each person to the proper parent categories. Mason (talk) 03:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it is odd to have biographies directly in a continent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 15
X by ethnic or national origin
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of American people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of American people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American models by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American models by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American military personnel by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American film directors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Organized crime by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Organized crime by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American musicians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American architects by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American scientists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American journalists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American rappers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American writers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American artists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American gangsters by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American novelists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American social scientists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American short story writers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American poets by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American trade unionists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American aviators by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American activists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American sculptors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American classical musicians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American singers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American academics by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hawaii people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American male actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American actresses by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American lawyers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American comedians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American photographers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American educators by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American physicians by ethnicity
- Nominator's rationale: Per brevity, actual contents, and consistency with almost all of the non-US categories. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_7#Category:American_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, ethnicity is not about people's ancestors, it is about what people are themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:20th century rump states
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:20th century rump states to Category:Rump states
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this isolated category. If not merged, it should be renamed to 20th-century rump states Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The target category is not large enough to support any diffusion beyond the remaining categories by historical empire. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:21st century in Malé
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:21st century in Malé to Category:History of Malé
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Malé
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, this is the only content in the tree of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Centuries in Malé can also be deleted, as it will become empty. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state
Category:Counterparts to the protagonist
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge, "counterpart" is a subjective characterizstion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manual merge Mixture of several distinct concepts, some of which are covered by other subcategories of the target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manual merge per LP. It is definitely an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- For earlier related discussions after which this was kept, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 23#Category:Characters by role in the narrative structure and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 August 17#Category:Counterparts to the protagonist. – Fayenatic London 15:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still get the impression that these roles should have their own categories if applicable, e.g. a category for Category:Fictional love interests. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see that I previously defended this category, but some former members may have been merged, leaving less content to make these two categories worthwhile. I now support the proposed merge. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Antagonists by role
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Antagonists by role to Category:Antagonists
- Nominator's rationale: Unclear why "by role" is in the name. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:United Hospitals
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:United Hospitals to Category:Medical schools in London
- Nominator's rationale: These categories appear to be equivalent and "Medical schools in London" describes the contents of the categories more clearly. I have not nominated the Category:United Hospitals sports clubs subcategory as that may be the common name. TSventon (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but leave a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that a redirect makes sense. TSventon (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hotel Transylvania television series
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only one article. Definitely a case of WP:OVERCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People with substance use disorder
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category will never meet WP:BLPCAT or WP:CATDEFINE/WP:COPDEF. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, never say never, but it is very unlikely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the nomination. TarnishedPathtalk 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hinglaj Mata
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Hinglaj Mata
Category:Lists of foods by nationality
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists and reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Food does not have a nationality; only human beings do. Aldij (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Rename per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile better targets have been proposed below, so this is outdated. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Agree with nom.--Funandtrvl (talk) 01:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment Shouldn't this be something like List of foods/dishes by cuisine? All child categories are named Fooian cuisine-related lists, while almost all articles are named List of Barian dishes/foods/drinks/desserts/ingredients. It seems like Barian is explicitly meant to include diaspora communities of Barian emigrants around the world, who have taken their Barian cuisine dishes and stuff with them. If we rename to "by country", we could be excluding diaspora communities, while "nationality" (though problematic) at least includes first-generation emigrants from Bar. I'm not sure what a better alternative would be, though. Thoughts? NLeeuw (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cuisine-related lists by country? --DB1729talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- We do not need food or dishes at all, so Cuisine-related lists by country is the better option. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting question. I'd say, as Category:Cuisine-related lists does not exist yet, we might as well rename Category:Lists of foods by nationality to Category:Cuisine-related lists. We do not really need "by country" or "by nationality" at this point. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is indeed better! I updated proposal. --Aldij (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cuisine-related lists by country? --DB1729talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- CU note - the OP is the sock of a prolific LTA. Girth Summit (blether) 11:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Given that the nominator turns to have been a sockpuppet and has now been blocked, but we seem close to an agreement, I suggest we rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists per Marcocapelle. @Funandtrvl and DB1729: would you agree? And @Marcocapelle: you might want to clarify your !vote of 16:26, 6 June 2024 (the closer might get confused whether it should be counted for original proposal Category:Lists of foods by country, or amended proposal Category:Cuisine-related lists). NLeeuw (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. DB1729talk 13:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- agree, rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd put the renamed category as a child category of Category:Cuisine, instead of under Category:Cuisine by country. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss
Category:18th-century Wallachian poets
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:18th-century Wallachian poets
Category:Malayan law by year
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Malayan law by year to Category:Malayan law
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, Category:Malayan law is otherwise empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Malaysia since Independence
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Category:History of Malaya
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:History of Malaya
Category:History of Malaysia by Federal Territory
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already in Category:Histories of cities in Malaysia. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete/upmerge, little point carving out Federal territory categories from state categories. (Whether that means renaming categories like Category:Categories by state of Malaysia is another matter.) CMD (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, Category:History of Kuala Lumpur should be placed in all of the categories this cat is currently in. CMD (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is already in the relevant subcategories of the parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, Category:History of Kuala Lumpur should be placed in all of the categories this cat is currently in. CMD (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cultural policy of East Germany
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Culture of East Germany. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, overall poorly fitting content. One article is about a festival, the other article is about general duties of citizens. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now to Category:Culture of East Germany. Child Category:Cultural organisations based in East Germany (1 P) should also be upmerged to Category:Culture of East Germany. I don't think just delete is a good option here. NLeeuw (talk) 06:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, then it'll be merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:18th-century German Jewish theologians
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category Mason (talk) 04:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ambassadors of Australia to Kosovo
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is for people articles, not list articles. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it is not necessarily wrong to have the list in the category, but with only the list in it the category is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The ambassador of Australia to Austria is accredited to six different countries, including Kosovo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Film posters by country
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Afghan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:American film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Argentine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Austrian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Brazilian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:British film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Burmese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Danish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:French film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:German film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Greek film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Icelandic film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Iranian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Italian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Maldivian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Mexican film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:New Zealand film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Nigerian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Peruvian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Philippine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Polish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Portuguese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Singaporean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South African film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South Korean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Spanish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Swedish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Turkish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Uruguayan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current category names are ambiguous as to whether they're, for example, posters of Swedish films or film posters from Sweden. I'd recommend renaming to "Film posters of Sweden" like the Commons categories. hinnk (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Film posters made in Sweden?
- Film posters hung in Sweden?
- Posters of films made in Sweden?
- Posters of films made by Swedish crew members or crew members from Sweden?
- Film posters that show "Sweden" (e.g. its landscapes or symbols associated with Sweden)?
- Film posters made or owned by the government of Sweden?
- Poster of films made by the government of Sweden?
- Etc.
- All of these are more or less reasonable interpretations of Film posters of Sweden. I'm glad you're trying to clarify the catnames, but I don't see it getting much clearer. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmm ok. Weak support. It's better than the current situation. NLeeuw (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Comment, regardless of renaming I do not think this is very ambiguous. Posters of Swedish films (i.e. in other countries than Sweden) would be a rather odd reading. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose; I don't think its very ambiguous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support matching commonscat.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose. Commons category naming tends to have less good scrutiny than enwiki, so it lacks weight as a precedent. These poster categories should follow the parents Category:Japanese films etc. – Fayenatic London 13:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British women Marxists
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Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters
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Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only 2 pages at present, so not useful for navigation. – Fayenatic London 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. 9 pages now that I have put the communes into the category. 14 when articles are started for the capitals of the communes. And a region with over 600,000 people surely has many more settlements that deserve an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to the wikipedia articles, each of the seven communes in Kirundo Province has a capital with the same name. The capital of the Commune of Bugabira is Bugabira. The capital of the Commune of Busoni is Busoni, and so on. Kirundo Province had a population of 628,256 as of the 2008 census. The 2018 population was estimated as 927,761, or about 130,000 per commune. Our coverage of this region is atrocious. Let's not make it even harder for editors to improve it.
- This source describes Bugabira as a small town with colonial-era architecture. Bugabira commune is divided into the collines of Kiri, Kiyonza, Gaturanda, Rubuga, Kigina, Nyakarama, Nyamabuye, Nyabikenke, Rugasa, Gitwe and Kigoma.[2] Google maps shows Gaturanda as a region south of an arm of Lake Cyohoha South with labelled villages named Gaturanda, Rugondo and Rubuga. Gaturanda village looks substantial.[3] In 2012 the Global Water Partnership Eastern Africa gathered data related to drought in Rubuga, Kigina, and Gaturanda in Bugabira commune.[4] In August 2014 six houses were burned in Bugabira commune, including five in Gaturanda and one in Kigoma.[5] In April 2016 Gaston Sindimwo, President of Burundi, visited Gaturanda, which lies on the border with Rwanda, to ask the people not to stir up problems over refugees.[6] In 2023 Bugabira municipality issued a call for tenders for extension of the Gaturanda health center.[7].
- Clearly these is enough information online to piece together sketches of the many populated places in Kirundo Province. The category structure should be ready for them. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The category structure should be made ready after there are enough articles, not before. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: How many populated places are enough to justify the category for the province? Would it matter if they were all in the same commune? Aymatth2 (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: You may want to chime in on this. An accepted number could save a lot of time on debates over lightly-populated categories. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aymatth2: "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is helpful. I have pumped up Kirundo Province a bit and may start some articles on features of the province. @Marcocapelle: Any thoughts? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aymatth2: "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have often included Commune and town in the same article for African countries. Makes sense for places in the developing world where there may not be an abundance of sources. Though I don't think we should really have the commune and town in the same article for places which cover an area of 235 square kilometres like Bugabira. Either way, it would be silly to delete a category simply because the region is underdeveloped. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- As Aymatth2 admits, even the other 5 capitals of communes in Kirundo Province do not have articles yet. For some reason a famous cat-stroking Wikipedian created 50 stubs for Populated places in Bubanza Province 16 years ago, mostly villages, then apparently petered out part-way into Buriri Province. As and when articles are created for more settlements in this province, the category may then be re-created when it becomes justifiable, but Template:Kirundo Province is sufficient and appropriate for navigational needs at the moment; I have added Vumbi into it. – Fayenatic London 12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per Aymatth2. And populate..♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kirundo Province has more people than Alaska, which has at least 148 populated places. If Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province is deleted, and then a new editor decides to create articles for some of the places in the province, they will likely try to recreate the category. They will see a big red warning saying the Wikipedia community has decided there should not be such a category. I would just go ahead and recreate it anyway, but a newbie may be discouraged. That is the last thing we want to happen for an area which is so poorly covered. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock!
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Category:Tracker musicians
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June 14
Category:Jesuit musicians
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Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) franchise owners
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Parent categories use the word team, not franchise: Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) teams, Category:Women's cricket teams in India, Category:Cricket teams in India, Category:Women's cricket teams Gjs238 (talk) 12:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It should be franchise owners, as the member pagers are franchise owners rather than team owners. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw proposal as per Vestrian24Bio. Gjs238 (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cricket organizations
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Category:Military operations of the War of 1812
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Military operations of the War of 1812 to Category:War of 1812
- Nominator's rationale: 2 C, 0 P. WP:NARROWCAT. Both children are already in parent trees, or not all items in them involved Canada or the UK. NLeeuw (talk) 09:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:War of 1812 on the National Register of Historic Places
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Just delete, it is already in the trees of its parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Washington, D.C., in the War of 1812
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, which is already in the trees of the other parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, which is already in other parent. NLeeuw (talk) 09:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Presidents General of the General Society of the War of 1812
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Target might not be viable either? NLeeuw (talk) 09:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Right, the target may be upmerged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aight, we'll make it a follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 06:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada
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Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if
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Bengali–Assamese script
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Category:Military regiments raised in Nova Scotia
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, no parent category:Military regiments exists. Mason (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but this will require purging too. For example, North Nova Scotia Highlanders is a military unit of Canada, not of Nova Scotia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mexican engineer stubs
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mexican engineer stubs to Category:Engineer stubs and Category:Mexican scientist stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category with no evidence of approval by Category:WikiProject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just anybody to create on a whim, and require a minimum of 60 articles for entry -- but even after deep-scanning the Category:Mexican people stubs parent for any missed engineers, this still only has 17 articles in it.
The stub template is fine, since it can always just sort articles into the target categories, but there would have to be at least 43 more articles before a dedicated category was warranted. Bearcat (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Muwahhidism
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting
- Nominator's rationale: I propose the deletion of these categories because they make no sense. Muwahiddism isn't a separate branch (like Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, Ahmadi, Quranism), it's not a fiqh school (like Hanafi/Shafii/Maliki/Hanbali divide among Sunnis), it's not an aqeeda school (like Athari/Maturidi/Ashari divide among Sunnis or Usuli/Akhbari divide among Twelver Shia) or anything.
Anyone who considers himself a Muslim (no matter what school he follows) considers himself a muwahhid (موحِّد) which means "a monotheist" in Arabic, literally a follower of tawhid (توحيد), monotheism, the central concept of Islam. It's just a term which is more often used as a self-description by Sunni Salafis to highlight their purism in contrast to anyone else (for example, Sufis have a practice of visiting graves of their sheikhs, Salafis see this act as a departure from the concept of tawhid in Islam. Although Sufis don't consider it as a violation of tawhid, they still see themselves as muwahhideen (monotheists). But anyone who claims to follow Islam, he by definition considers himself a muwahhid regardless). That's it. It's not a separate branch of Islam. It's just a "label" or a "trademark", so to speak. These categories are excessive and absolutely uncalled for. Sorry for bad formatting, by the way (I'm editing off my phone). Fixmaster (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, both articles in the tree are about Salafis and already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Socialist film directors
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, intersection of unrelated characteristics. A few of these articles may be moved to a Category:Victims of McCarthyism, but that would be a very different discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian flour millers and merchants
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Category:Australian commercial artists
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Category:Australian bigamists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Australian bigamists to Category:Bigamists
- Nominator's rationale: There's no need to diffuse this category by nationality. Mason (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian event managers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian event managers to Category:Australian event planners
- Nominator's rationale: I'm on the fence about speedying this category, however, I'm not 100% sure that I've correctly mapped this category to the right parent of event planning. Mason (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian metal workers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian metal workers to Category:Australian metalworkers
- Nominator's rationale: There are three ways this category can be handled. Either rename this to match the parent category of Metalworkers, merge to Australian metalsmiths or rename to reflect that the intent of this category Metal manufacturing companies of Australia. Mason (talk) 02:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Artesian people
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for the only person in the category Maximilien Robespierre Mason (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Who were the Artesian people? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just for info, they are people from Artois (but I am not certain if Artesian is correct English). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories
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Category:Romans from Africa
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Category:Australian newspaper proprietors
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Category:Australian leather merchants
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Australian leather merchants to Category:Australian merchants
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse merchants by whether they sell leather? Mason (talk) 01:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Like steel merchants, corn merchants, ship merchants, drapers and stockbrokers, it's a specialized trade. Doug butler (talk) 02:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to both the proposed target and appropriate subcategories of Category:Leather manufacturers or Category:Tanners. An odd category without a nonexistent main article and no others like it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug butler Please make sure to have non-Australian parent categories, when you create similar categories. Mason (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I try. Doug butler (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug butler Please make sure to have non-Australian parent categories, when you create similar categories. Mason (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Category:LaundryPizza03.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)- @Marcocapelle: Is this a mistake? What category did you intend? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- A pretty big mistake indeed. Merge per LaundryPizza03, is what was intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- 😂😂😂😂 Mason (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- LOL didn't know LaundryPizza's activities included being an Australian leather merchant! NLeeuw (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- 😂😂😂😂 Mason (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- A pretty big mistake indeed. Merge per LaundryPizza03, is what was intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Is this a mistake? What category did you intend? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Live at the Fillmore East albums
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: C2C — see subcategories in Category:Live albums by venue in the United States for similar examples. Trivialist (talk) 22:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Croat Roman Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Ethnicization of entire tree of Category:Catholic clergy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's a one editor's attempt to squeeze ethnic labels onto categories regarding one of the religious communities of the country. It should be checked if this issue was already dealt with once before. Note that other two communities (Orthodox and Islamic) are categorized only with their respective denomination labels not with their eventual ethnicities. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question Are these all already in Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina Roman Catholic clergy? If so, I support deletion. If not, I think upmerging is a better idea. NLeeuw (talk) 17:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they are. ౪ Santa ౪99° 17:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it unhelpful that you have removed the parent categories. Now I can't easily see what the creator was trying to do, and whether it might be better to upmerge instead of delete. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, fixed. ౪ Santa ౪99° 17:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All contents are likely in relevant parent categories or do not belong. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Croat Christian clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Ethnicization of entire tree of Category:Catholic clergy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's a one editor's attempt to squeeze ethnic labels onto categories regarding one of the religious communities of the country. It should be checked if this issue was already dealt with once before. Note that other two communities (Orthodox and Islamic) are categorized only with their respective denomination labels not with their eventual ethnicities. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it unhelpful that you have removed the parent categories. Now I can't easily see what the creator was trying to do, and whether it might be better to upmerge instead of delete. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Croat Greek Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Ethnicization of entire tree of Category:Catholic clergy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's a one editor's attempt to squeeze ethnic labels onto categories regarding one of the religious communities of the country. It should be checked if this issue was already delt with once before. Note that other two communities (Orthodox and Islamic) are categorized only with their respective denomination labels not with their eventual ethnicities. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it unhelpful that you have removed the parent categories. Now I can't easily see what the creator was trying to do, and whether it might be better to upmerge instead of delete. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 18:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- There was only one page in that category, which had no place there anyway. ౪ Santa ౪99° 18:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then you could have tagged it CSD C1 instead of opening a discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's part of this tree that we are discussing so I presumed it wouldn't hurt to present it all three cats together. ౪ Santa ౪99° 08:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then you could have tagged it CSD C1 instead of opening a discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- There was only one page in that category, which had no place there anyway. ౪ Santa ౪99° 18:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Legendary creatures
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Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Painters of pre-1948 Palestine. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948 to Category:???????
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category name, because it isn't particularly helpful/descriptive. Is this painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948. Mason (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, among Category:Painters by theme this concerns an extremely narrow theme. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Landscape painters for now, with prejudice, as "Holy Land" is a WP:POV term. If anyone wants to revive the catname in the future, it needs a compelling justification. NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that Holy Land is very much a pov term. Mason (talk) 00:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep' The nomination seems confused, perhaps fatally - the category is "PRE-1948" so it is not for "painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948." In the 19th-century context "Holy Land" is certainly the term that would have been used by the artists and their publics, & I don't think it is POV. If people want to delete it on those grounds they should think of alternatives, as it seems a valid category. Rather than being "an extremely narrow theme", it saw a big boom in the 19th century, partly as a branch of Orientalist painting. The category misses the most famous people, at least in the Anglosphere - where are William Holman Hunt, Edward Lear, James Tissot and many others? Johnbod (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Orientalist painters is a good point, the articles should be added to Category:Orientalist painters if applicable and if they are not in that tree yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see only one of the 5 described as "Orientalist" (and Marcocapelle just categorised then as such). James Tissot is indeed a name I recognise as painting events from the Hebrew Bible, though not necessarily "the Holy Land". E.g. File:Tissot The Women of Midian Led Captive by the Hebrews.jpg supposedly took place in southern Transjordan in what is now Saudi Arabia.
- Moreover, a lot of them were apparently Jewish, while "Holy Land" is a Christian term. It's really difficult to shape a category around such a vague concept with the people currently and proposed to be in there.
- I should add that "Holy Land" can be an appropriate term if the subject in question is entirely Christian, for, by and about Christians, e.g. Recovery of the Holy Land. No other phrase will describe that late medieval Christian literary genre that aptly. But for these painters...? I'm not convinced. NLeeuw (talk) 21:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Arabic Wikipedia ar:الأراضي المقدسة says: The Holy Land is a term used in the Christian and Jewish religions to refer to the holy places in Palestine, especially Jerusalem , Bethlehem, and Nazareth...
- Hebrew Wikipedia he:ארץ הקודש says: Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land".[Source needed] However, the Bible refers to it explicitly as "holy land" in only one passage, the book of Zechariah, chapter 2, verse 16.
- It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice.
- At any rate, if 19th-century and early 20th-century Orientalist is our scope, why not use the term Levant instead? It fits the period well, is broader than just Palesrael, and is not as politically and religiously charged. NLeeuw (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
- Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 2.110 results
- Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 1.950 results
- Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 207 results
- Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 223 results
- Neither "holy land" or "levant" is particularly likely to be part of the title. Painting the Holy Land in the Nineteenth Century (1997) and Visions of the East: Influence of the Levant on the Italian Renaissance (2015) are two rare exceptions to this rule.
- David Roberts is often mentioned, but more frequently with "Palestine" than with "Holy Land". His bio David Roberts (painter) uses the term "Holy Land" no fewer than 12 times, though usually in conjuction with other 'countries' around it: his travelogue The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia comprises about half of those mentions.
- Gustav Bauernfeind (not yet in this category) is more usually associated with "Levant"; in fact, his bio has Gustav Bauernfeind#Painting the Levant, mentioning 'the Levant, the Orient, Ottoman Palestine, Jerusalem, Lebanon, Syria, the Holy Land'. Seems to me that Levant is the broadest, most encompassing and inclusive term of the two (or three if we count 'Palestine'). As it is broader, it could also include paintings of certain biblical narratives that are set in Transjordan (such as the one of Tissot referenced above), which may or may not be included under the term "Holy Land". It might be a good idea to add a catdesc that gives a description of what we mean by 'Levant', and the term 'Holy Land' does seem fitting there (amongst the other regions/countries I mention in this comment) instead of in the catname itself. Maybe that's an acceptable compromise? NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Something like catname: Category:Orientalist painters of the Levant
- Catdesc:
- Might that work? NLeeuw (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It might (moving out the proto-Israelis), but I don't understand why people keep talking about "landscape" painters/paintings. Some, like Lear and Roberts, mostly were, but others, like Hunt and Tissot, concentrated on history paintings of Biblical narrative subjects, obviously many with landscape backgrounds. I'd still prefer Palestine to Levant. But I think it is important that we explicitly restrict the category to those who had actually spent time in the area, rather than working things up in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well because currently one of the parent categories is Category:Landscape painters. If that is incorrect, we should purge that parent. NLeeuw (talk) 10:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It might (moving out the proto-Israelis), but I don't understand why people keep talking about "landscape" painters/paintings. Some, like Lear and Roberts, mostly were, but others, like Hunt and Tissot, concentrated on history paintings of Biblical narrative subjects, obviously many with landscape backgrounds. I'd still prefer Palestine to Levant. But I think it is important that we explicitly restrict the category to those who had actually spent time in the area, rather than working things up in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
- A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Johnbod's reasoning. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Painters of pre-1948 Palestine. Some artists in this period may have have called it the holy land, others will have not, but that term is certainly POV. It was historically and geographically known as Palestine pre-1948, and this is how academic literature presents it, e.g.: Imagined Homeland: landscape painting in Palestine in the 1920s Iskandar323 (talk) 04:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Palestine" could work as an alternative, certainly for the British mandate period. Johnbod also preferred Palestine over Levant. For me Rename to Category:Painters of pre-1948 Palestine is a second choice (my primary choice remains Upmerging, see above). This could work as a compromise. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - I am still not sure if this is about painters from "Holly Land" or painters of the "Holly Land", where the "Holly Land" is the label for a theme not a country or state, and I am reading through this discussion for the second time?--౪ Santa ౪99° 14:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Santasa99: considering the articles in this category it is certainly meant as "of", not as "from". Marcocapelle (talk) 15:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition
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Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity
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- The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a random mix of people who aren't activists. Purge the category and leave in actual activists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also I'm not too sure about it but maybe rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists". Any other suggestion would be helpful; this one seems rather vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists", if only because that new name would be shorter and simpler, yet also straight to the point. AHI-3000 (talk) 15:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for some consensus here before I proceed with the subcategories. Honestly, going through them, I don't think any of these people in any of these categories were checked to see if they actually were activists for Palestinian solidarity, particularly given a number of these aren't pro-Palestinian but rather anti-Israeli. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer keeping this category, I should add, since there is a big Palestinian movement and activists who are pro-Palestinian. I just think we should be careful who to put in. Some of these "pro-Palestinian" people aren't pro-Palestinian at all. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think renaming it to "Advocates for Palestinian Solidarity" would be best. NesserWiki (talk) 02:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also I'm not too sure about it but maybe rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists". Any other suggestion would be helpful; this one seems rather vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support doing something, but mixed on the alternative rename. I think that the "Pro-Palestinian activists" are indeed a more specific subgroup that are definitely nested within Anti-racist activists. Perhaps splitting or nesting/reorganizing to acknowledge that there are also activists for Palestinian civil rights etc. idk 🤷 It's really complicated.Mason (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I only just noticed this and wanted to say thank you! Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge: a removal of articles about people who weren't activists is a no-brainer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: No clear consensus on rename.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)- @LaundryPizza03, I would say leave the rename out for now. That can be done in a seperate Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- @Qwerfjkl, as nominator, you can close this as purge non-activists. I will open a seperate Cfd on renaming, along with its subcategories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain
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Category:Roman generals
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Category:Galician animated films
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Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians
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Category:Crime action films
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Category:Fictional female entertainers
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Category:Fictional children by occupation
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Category:Invasions of the Dutch Republic
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions of the Dutch Republic to Category:Invasions of former countries
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions by the Kingdom of Prussia to Category:Invasions by former countries
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now per WP:MFN, as both cats have only 2 items, one of which doesn't apply (Johann Friedrich von Salm-Grumbach isn't an invasion but an officer who participated). Only upmerge to Category:Invasions of former countries and Category:Invasions by former countries, respectively; Prussian invasion of Holland is already in all other parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I removed Johann Friedrich von Salm-Grumbach from the categories. Merge in principle, but the target categories sound a bit like they should be container categories. Merging to Category:Invasions could also be an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- They do sound a bit like containercats, but if we treat them like that, it forces us to either upmerge articles, or diffuse articles and create small cats, for which we would need to upmerge them again, but two levels. Hence a bit of pragmatism seems called for until we've got more options. NLeeuw (talk) 06:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Invasions of the Republic of Genoa
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Dual upmerge for now per WP:MFN. Category:Invasions of Italy does not apply, since Italy as a state did not exist at the time, and Corsica is not part of Italy today. NLeeuw (talk) 09:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Wars involving the Republic of Genoa and possibly Category:Invasions of former countries, see my comments in the above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pretenders to the Albanian throne
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 18:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:NPOV. Follow-up to deletion of Line of succession to the former Albanian throne, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Albanian throne. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Parma, and User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Pretenders#NLeeuw category list. NLeeuw (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TompaDompa, Agricolae, Balle010, Oleryhlolsson, JoelleJay, Smeat75, Johnpacklambert, Devokewater, and Hut 8.5: courtesy ping to participants in previous discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Albanian throne for follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 08:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Because of this, Template:Pretenders to the Albanian throne is now at TfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, everything said in the list discussion applies here as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne
Category:Whitewashing in film
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Whitewashing in film
Category:Fictional millers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Works about millers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional millers to Category:Works about agriculture
- Nominator's rationale: Does not actually contain fictional millers, just works. Basically WP:SHAREDNAME. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per rationale. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Works about millers. Shared name is frankly irrelevant here. They share a topic, not a name. Dimadick (talk) 17:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Dimadick. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional cafeteria workers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a rather small and narrow category with no real-life equivalent. We don't need a hyperspecific category for literally every job. Edit: Actually it should probably just be deleted, when you remove Chef from South Park, who is already under "Fictional chefs", there is nothing pertinent here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - as Chef (South Park) is already in a reasonable subcat for the merge target. All that remains after that is a redirect and an article that should not be on the category tree. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional extraterrestrial royalty
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional extraterrestrial royalty to Category:Fictional royalty
- Propose merging Category:Fictional extraterrestrial princesses to Category:Fictional princesses
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT made by blocked user. The "princesses" category should also be dual merged to Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge This was last nominated in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_16#Category:Fictional_extraterrestrial_royalty. I no longer agree with my old rationale, because while there is room for expansion using existing articles, there is nothing to justify separating aliens from fantasy-world inhabitants, or even from the royals of fictional countries on Earth.
- There is no need to merge Category:Fictional extraterrestrial royalty to Category:Fictional royalty because the only contents are a redirect; Category:Fictional extraterrestrial princesses, which is also in this CfD; and Category:Galactic emperors, which is already in a different subcategory of the target. I don't think the Galactic emperors is in another subcategory of Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters, so we can merge there. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a dual merge, also to Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Of course. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mythological male/female royalty
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated, to Category:Mythological royalty only. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mythological male royalty to Category:Mythological royalty
- Propose merging Category:Mythological female royalty to Category:Mythological royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Yet another WP:NARROWCAT pointless category. This is such a narrow intersection (mythical + gender + royalty) that a category is not necessary. I don't believe it should be merged to "fictional" as myth and fiction are separate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual upmerge nominee 1 to Category:Mythological royalty and Category:Fictional male royalty.
- Triple upmerge nominee 2 to Category:Fictional female royalty, Category:Mythological royalty, and Category:Women in mythology.
- Nom is right that having categories with just 2 subcategories isn't very useful for navigation, but we should upmerge to all parents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fiction may overlap with mythology in some cases but the two are distinct concepts. Mythology can also contain embellished or rumored versions of real events. The Bible has mythological elements, but most would not agree it is a pure "work of fiction". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. NLeeuw (talk) 08:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fiction may overlap with mythology in some cases but the two are distinct concepts. Mythology can also contain embellished or rumored versions of real events. The Bible has mythological elements, but most would not agree it is a pure "work of fiction". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated. Concur with nominator about the distinction between mythology and fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms economists
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 18:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, despite what the article says this is not about an economist. It is more like a minister of finance, so the article is alright in Category:Later Tang government officials. If not deleted, then merge to Category:Chinese economists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No merge is necessary because Kong Qian is in Category:Economists from Hebei. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Later Han (Five Dynasties) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Han (Five Dynasties) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Jin (Five Dynasties) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Jin (Five Dynasties) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Zhou Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Zhou Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Wuyue Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Wuyue Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Yan (Five Dynasties period) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Yan (Five Dynasties period) Buddhists
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NARROWCAT, very detailed categorization by religion, occupation, and parallel kingdoms/dynasties in a relatively short period. The Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms lasted from 907 to 960. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all per nom for now without prejudice. Glad my suggestion some time ago is taken up. NLeeuw (talk) 09:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Socialists by occupation
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Socialists by occupation to Category:Socialists
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure how helpful it is to have a socialists by occupation category. Mason (talk) 04:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer with only three subcategories. I also wonder whether we should keep two of the three subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional chimney sweepers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Fictional chimney sweepers
Category:19th-century Tasmanian architects
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge this isolated category Mason (talk) 04:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories cover nearly the same period. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - early modern age in Lithuania according to my knowledge starts a century before 1569 (if we take 1453 as the starting year of early modern age). Seems a bit much to make out those to be identical.--+JMJ+ (talk) 22:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Around 1500 is most often mentioned as the start of the early modern age and articles about the period between 1500 and 1569 can still be put in the early modern category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- Agree with Marco. "1453" is a bit arbitrary, as it takes the fall of Constantinople as the measure of world history, instead of a rather minor event that was bound to happen to a Byzantine Empire in terminal decay for centuries. "1500" may also be arbitrary as a random round number, but at least it does not assign an arbitrary value of significance to any event, and it has been a commonly used convention in historiography. For Lithuania, of course, 1569 is much more significant, but given that we've already got 2 categories and it doesn't make sense to create separate categories for 1500 to 1568, and 1796 to 1799. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:PAW Patrol (franchise)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:PAW Patrol (franchise) to Category:PAW Patrol
- Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The TV series (currently at Category:PAW Patrol), and the franchise are not the same thing. See also Talk:PAW_Patrol#Split_and_move_proposal. Gonnym (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both into Category:PAW Patrol - This situation reminds me of similar franchises like Category:SpongeBob SquarePants and Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender. This way, there is also reasonably enough articles for a category. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will note that Category:PAW Patrol is the originally-proposed merge target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge, too little content for two categories. Technical note, if it is going to be a downmerge then parent categories have to be added to the target manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both into Category:PAW Patrol - splitting hairs, no need for this. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 01:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Members of the League of Women Voters
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Members of the League of Women Voters to Category:American suffragists
- Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming and purging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- Lean towards merge. Given that it's not very defining by itself. Mason (talk) 00:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose given that both nominee and target are very large categories, and no navigational value seems to be served by throwing them together. NLeeuw (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Coke Studio (franchise)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Coke Studio. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 18:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Coke Studio (franchise) to Category:Coke Studio
- Nominator's rationale: Probably unnecessary disambiguation. This is missing a parent article about the franchise as a whole, or the original Brazilian series. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Category:Coke Studio (the proposed rename target) exists. Do you mean merge? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, please merge. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Category:Coke Studio (the proposed rename target) exists. Do you mean merge? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge, it is unclear why these two categories exist next to each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Character songs
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 18:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category hardly has any entries, with Megalovania being more of a theme song than "sung by the voice actor", of which there is none. The current category members could be merged to parent categories if they aren't in them already. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, only one of the two non-main articles is about something that actually belongs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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36 to 42 days old
June 11
Category:Cute 'em ups by series
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Cute 'em ups by series to Category:Cute 'em ups
- Nominator's rationale: It only has 2 subcategories WP:SMALLCAT. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, WP:SMALLCAT is no longer active, but still this is a redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kurdish physicists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Kurdish physicists to Category:Kurdish scientists
- Propose merging Category:Kurdish microbiologists to Category:Kurdish scientists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Narrow intersection for small category, which isn't helpful for navigation. There's not even a Kurdish biologist category, so why would we need a subfield? Mason (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jeremy Jordan (singer) albums
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Currently a redirect to Category:Jeremy Jordan (singer, born 1973) albums. Goes against the disambiguation scheme seen at Jeremy Jordan/Jeremy Jordan (singer). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Medieval Kurdish philosophers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Medieval Kurdish philosophers to Category:Kurdish philosophers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse the Kurdish philosophy category by period. There are only 9 people in the entire tree (at the time of nomination). Mason (talk) 23:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Middle Ages by country
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- The result of the discussion was: Option 1 with redirects. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Afghanistan to Category:Medieval history of Afghanistan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Albania to Category:Medieval history of Albania
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Algeria to Category:Medieval history of Algeria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Anatolia to Category:Medieval history of Anatolia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Armenia to Category:Medieval history of Armenia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Austria to Category:Medieval history of Austria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Azerbaijan to Category:Medieval history of Azerbaijan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Bahrain to Category:Medieval history of Bahrain
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Belarus to Category:Medieval history of Belarus
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Belgium to Category:Medieval history of Belgium
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:Medieval history of Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Bulgaria to Category:Medieval history of Bulgaria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Croatia to Category:Medieval history of Croatia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Cyprus to Category:Medieval history of Cyprus
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Czech history to Category:Medieval history of the Czech lands – compare History of the Czech lands, Category:History of the Czech lands and Czech lands in the High Middle Ages
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Denmark to Category:Medieval history of Denmark
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Egypt to Category:Medieval history of Egypt
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval England to Category:Medieval history of England
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Estonia to Category:Medieval history of Estonia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Ethiopia to Category:Medieval history of Ethiopia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval France to Category:Medieval history of France
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Georgia (country) to Category:Medieval history of Georgia (country)
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Germany to Category:Medieval history of Germany
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Great Britain to Category:Medieval history of Great Britain
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Greece to Category:Medieval history of Greece
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Holy Roman Empire to Category:Medieval history of the Holy Roman Empire – compare Category:Early modern history of the Holy Roman Empire
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Hungary to Category:Medieval history of Hungary
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Iceland to Category:Medieval history of Iceland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval India to Category:Medieval history of India
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Iraq to Category:Medieval history of Iraq
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Ireland to Category:Medieval history of Ireland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Italy to Category:Medieval history of Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Jordan to Category:Medieval history of Jordan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Kazakhstan to Category:Medieval history of Kazakhstan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Latvia to Category:Medieval history of Latvia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Lebanon to Category:Medieval history of Lebanon
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Libya to Category:Medieval history of Libya
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Lithuania to Category:Medieval history of Lithuania
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Luxembourg to Category:Medieval history of Luxembourg
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Low Countries to Category:Medieval history of the Low Countries
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Montenegro to Category:Medieval history of Montenegro
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Morocco to Category:Medieval history of Morocco
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Nepal to Category:Medieval history of Nepal – Medieval history of Nepal
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Netherlands to Category:Medieval history of the Netherlands
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Norway to Category:Medieval history of Norway – see also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 October 23#Norway in the Middle Ages
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Palestine to Category:Medieval history of Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Iran to Category:Medieval history of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Poland to Category:Medieval history of Poland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Portugal to Category:Medieval history of Portugal
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Romania to Category:Medieval history of Romania
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Russia to Category:Medieval history of Russia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Scandinavia to Category:Medieval history of Scandinavia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Scotland to Category:Medieval history of Scotland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Serbia to Category:Medieval history of Serbia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Slovakia to Category:Medieval history of Slovakia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Slovenia to Category:Medieval history of Slovenia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Somalia to Category:Medieval history of Somalia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Spain to Category:Medieval history of Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Sweden to Category:Medieval history of Sweden
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Switzerland to Category:Medieval history of Switzerland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Syria to Category:Medieval history of Syria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Thailand to Category:Medieval history of Thailand
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Tunisia to Category:Medieval history of Tunisia – History of medieval Tunisia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Ukraine to Category:Medieval history of Ukraine
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Wales to Category:Medieval history of Wales
- Nominator's rationale: Rename all children of Category:Middle Ages by country to Medieval history of Fooland per precedent Early modern history of Fooland, and indirectly the Military history of Fooland precedents, as well as consistency (an indirect WP:C2C argument) with sibling categories Category:Ancient history by country, Category:Early modern period by country, and Category:Modern history by country. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 25#Early modern period, where we decided to rename all categories to Early modern history of Fooland. Renaming could avoid a lot of anachronisms about modern countries that did not yet exist as such, or not with their modern-day borders, or at least not under their modern names, in the Middle Ages. It's also a lot like how we are currently reframing battles in (former country/region) to military history of (current country/region). Although it has relatively few main articles following this formula (such as Medieval history of Nepal, or the variation History of medieval Tunisia, History of medieval Cumbria, or Political history of medieval Karnataka), it has been found that article titles using the formula ...in the Middle Ages or ...in antiquity are usually not about countries, but social or cultural phenomena, and that the formula Ancient history of Fooland or History of ancient Fooland is very common, leading to a relatively strong basis in the article space (an indirect WP:C2D argument). Therefore, the result of the preliminary discussion was Option 1: rename to Medieval history of Fooland. All nominees will be tagged as such (but options for alternative target names remain open if participants can provide compelling rationales).
Preliminary discussion on renaming options
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There may also be a need to harmonise the categories further according to either one of the following options:
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- Courtesy ping to participants of previous discussion: @Marcocapelle, Smasongarrison, Ham II, Omnis Scientia, and HouseBlaster: for your consideration. NLeeuw (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for this big nomination and elaborate rationale. Option 3 is clearly a no-go for reasons already outlined. Initially I thought I'd have a clear preference for option 1 but at second thought I no longer see a good reason why, they each have their own pros. So either option 1 or 2. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome, and thank you for paving the way with the early modern period precedent, as well as voicing your support earlier today when I asked your advice. I also thought this was gonna be a lot easier beforehand, but there is a substantial number of Fooland in the Middle Ages articles that gave me pause. In the end, the article space should always be prioritised over the category space, and WP:C2D will almost always be a stronger argument than WP:C2C. So I've currently got a slight preference for option 2 over option 1, but it's close. I hope others can persuade us to a better perspective. NLeeuw (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: One reason why the ...in the Middle Ages might be so popular, whereas ...in the early modern period is essentially unheard of, might be because we often speak and think of the Middle Ages as a "place" rather than a time. Say "Middle Ages" or "medieval", and someone else may soon imagine castles and catapults, convents and chronicles, commerce and crusaders. But if someone says "early modern", I struggle a lot more to paint a picture for myself of what that time looked like, and to imagine it as a "place" where people walked around. Strange thing how that works linguistically. Not sure if I'm the only one? But that might help to explain why these articles and categories are titled so differently. NLeeuw (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm no other input? I guess we'll have to wait for relisting or I'll have to start tagging pages... At the moment, option 2 seems most promising due to its strong basis in the article space. Many could be C2D'd if we wanted to. The other articles could be BOLDly moved per TITLECON... But I prefer to have a discussion, as we still to justify ignoring the early modern history of Fooland precedent which Marcocapelle set. NLeeuw (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: One reason why the ...in the Middle Ages might be so popular, whereas ...in the early modern period is essentially unheard of, might be because we often speak and think of the Middle Ages as a "place" rather than a time. Say "Middle Ages" or "medieval", and someone else may soon imagine castles and catapults, convents and chronicles, commerce and crusaders. But if someone says "early modern", I struggle a lot more to paint a picture for myself of what that time looked like, and to imagine it as a "place" where people walked around. Strange thing how that works linguistically. Not sure if I'm the only one? But that might help to explain why these articles and categories are titled so differently. NLeeuw (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome, and thank you for paving the way with the early modern period precedent, as well as voicing your support earlier today when I asked your advice. I also thought this was gonna be a lot easier beforehand, but there is a substantial number of Fooland in the Middle Ages articles that gave me pause. In the end, the article space should always be prioritised over the category space, and WP:C2D will almost always be a stronger argument than WP:C2C. So I've currently got a slight preference for option 2 over option 1, but it's close. I hope others can persuade us to a better perspective. NLeeuw (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- If we're looking for more standardisation across periods of history, we may have to think about more than only the medieval and early modern periods. Within Category:History by country there are also Category:Ancient history by country (with its subcat Category:Roman history of modern countries and territories) and Category:Modern history by country (with the subcat Category:Contemporary history by country) – and Category:National prehistories and Category:Renaissance by country, which I'm thinking may legitimately be outliers, as prehistory isn't history and "Renaissance" refers to movements in the arts and culture. From that standpoint Option 1 (for the non-outliers) is looking most viable to me at the moment, with the possible exception of the Roman subcat. Perhaps in that scenario subcats (Roman Fooland, Fooland in the High Middle Ages) could be treated differently from parent cats (Ancient history of Fooland, Medieval history of Fooland).
- Other medieval history categories to take into account (but which aren't in Category:Middle Ages by country) are Category:Medieval history of the Balkans, Category:Medieval history of the Basque Country, Category:Medieval history of the Caucasus, Category:Medieval history of the Middle East and Category:Medieval history of Vojvodina. Ham II (talk) 07:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- After thinking about this some more, I've realised that the Renaissance category tree should be within the early modern category tree. I've also found lots of instances of Prehistory of Fooland as opposed to Prehistoric Fooland (which weren't previously in Category:National prehistories), so perhaps an Early modern history of Fooland–style naming schema can work for prehistory after all. Ham II (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. Well, at the very least the catname should be clarified. Category:Prehistory by country? Parents Category:History by country and Category:Prehistory by region suggest catname Prehistory by country as a logical intersection. (The catname "national prehistories" had me think they meant 'the history of nation X before it became a nation-state (in the 19th century)', or something like that. But they do mean prehistory in the sense of "before the time of written sources". Just an odd catname for it). NLeeuw (talk) 20:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I completely agree. Ham II (talk) 20:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cool. I've speedied it. That's a start. NLeeuw (talk) 14:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Done. NLeeuw (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cool. I've speedied it. That's a start. NLeeuw (talk) 14:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I completely agree. Ham II (talk) 20:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. Well, at the very least the catname should be clarified. Category:Prehistory by country? Parents Category:History by country and Category:Prehistory by region suggest catname Prehistory by country as a logical intersection. (The catname "national prehistories" had me think they meant 'the history of nation X before it became a nation-state (in the 19th century)', or something like that. But they do mean prehistory in the sense of "before the time of written sources". Just an odd catname for it). NLeeuw (talk) 20:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- After thinking about this some more, I've realised that the Renaissance category tree should be within the early modern category tree. I've also found lots of instances of Prehistory of Fooland as opposed to Prehistoric Fooland (which weren't previously in Category:National prehistories), so perhaps an Early modern history of Fooland–style naming schema can work for prehistory after all. Ham II (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good points. I'll do some more exploring of the category trees before I respond. NLeeuw (talk) 12:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok I'm not gonna do this tonight, I'll have to take this up again another day. NLeeuw (talk) 20:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok with regards the ancient period, we've got the same choice
- Ancient history of Fooland
- Fooland in antiquity
- Ancient Fooland
- Category:Ancient history by country follows a mix of 1 and 3.
- When you search for articles with "in antiquity" in the title, they are about various topics and phenomena, but rarely about countries. Slavery in antiquity, science in classical antiquity, suicide in antiquity, colonies in antiquity, bears in antiquity.... a few countries: Romania, Poland, Azerbaijan in antiquity.
- "Ancient history of" works much better to get country-themed articles. Lots of articles are names "Ancient history of Fooland" or "History of ancient Fooland". Option 1 has a very strong basis in the article space, unlike with "Medieval history of" / "History of medieval". Option 2 seems to be strongly tied to countries "in the Middle Ages", but very weakly tied to countries "in antiquity".
- Option 3, "Ancient Fooland", has similar problems to option 2: it's often not about countries. And if it is, it may sometimes be considered anachronistic. E.g. "Ancient France' seems wrong, but with "Ancient Gaul" we probably have no problem (although "Ancient" seems redundant: we assume Gaul to be places in antiquity). "Ancient Russia" or "Ancient Ukraine" are somewhat dubious, but "Ancient Rus' " is sometimes used (although it refers to Middle Ages rather than antiquity, and the preferred term is "Kievan Rus'"). Similarly "Ancient England"... why should we call it "England" before there are any Angles there? Ancient history of England seems much more tenable, because that way we're less trying to force "England" into antiquity where it wasn't yet known as such. And so on.
- Overall, I think I'm starting to favour option 1 Ancient/Medieval/Early modern history of Fooland for all catnames now.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=In+antiquity&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 NLeeuw (talk) 15:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- A few exceptions may be made, especially for countries / societies / cultures which were already called by that name at the time. I don't think we should rename articles Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece to History of ancient Rome and History of ancient Greece, or something. That seems superfluous, especially with Rome. But for countries that didn't exist yet, Ancient history of Fooland seems the way to go, both as maim articles titles and as catnames NLeeuw (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ancient Egypt is another one. I'm not sure how strong "they were called that at the time" is as a rationale; possibly a better argument might be that they're ancient civilisations more than countries, with those names as WP:COMMONNAMEs. Ham II (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm leaning option 1 now: Ancient / Medieval / Early modern history of Fooland. It is the least ambiguous and anachronistic, and therefore most justifiable. It has a pretty strong basis in category and precedent, and some presence in the main article space (especially ancient history of Fooland).
- Option 2 seems best fitted for subjects that aren't about countries, but social and cultural phenomena. Apart from several Fooland in the Middle Ages articles, it does not have a strong basis in the article space, and virtually no basis in the category space.
- Option 3 has decent bases in both, but is most at risk of anachronisms. We seem to agree already that this is a no-go (also given precedent Early modern history of Fooland). Only given exceptions such as Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece need not be changed. NLeeuw (talk) 01:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- A few exceptions may be made, especially for countries / societies / cultures which were already called by that name at the time. I don't think we should rename articles Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece to History of ancient Rome and History of ancient Greece, or something. That seems superfluous, especially with Rome. But for countries that didn't exist yet, Ancient history of Fooland seems the way to go, both as maim articles titles and as catnames NLeeuw (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok with regards the ancient period, we've got the same choice
- Ok I'm not gonna do this tonight, I'll have to take this up again another day. NLeeuw (talk) 20:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I've now tagged all nominees with the Option 1 target name as a result of the preliminary discussion. I'd like to thank Marcocapelle and Ham II for their input. I've got two further questions at the moment:
- 1. Should we leave the current names as redirects as soon as the proposal is approved? That would help editors (and readers) navigate and edit, and prevent re-creation and thus duplication. The current names often correspond to several main articles and links, so leaving redirects seems appropriate. Thoughts?
- 2. Should we also rename the parent Category:Middle Ages by country itself to Category:Medieval history by country? That would be consistent with the proposed new names, as well as Category:Ancient history by country and Category:Modern history by country; however, it would not be consistent with Category:Early modern period by country (main article early modern period), nor with its own parent Category:Middle Ages (main article Middle Ages). But because Category:Early modern period by country should arguably be renamed to Category:Early modern history by country for the same C2C reason, I tend to think we should rename both. Thoughts? NLeeuw (talk) 10:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming to Medieval history of Fooland, per my earlier comments. And, eventually, Prehistory of / Ancient history of / Modern history of Fooland, to match Medieval history of / Early modern history of Fooland. Ham II (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples
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- The result of the discussion was: rename and purge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: rename and purge, this is follow-up on many earlier renames, and there is e.g. parent Category:Early Germanic warfare. Ancient Germanic peoples is a commonly used grouping in the Roman era but not so much in the middle ages. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and purge per nom and precedents. This is a good idea, as I also outlined in those precedents, and earlier today about Category:Battles involving ancient peoples. NLeeuw (talk) 18:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former synagogues Nebraska
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Former synagogues Nebraska to Category:Former synagogues in Nebraska
- Nominator's rationale: Category should be renamed to match others in Category:Former synagogues in the United States by state Pretzelles (talk) 18:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename WP:C2C. NLeeuw (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per both C2A and C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: As the originator of the category, I clearly made a typo. Thanks for picking it up. Rangasyd (talk) 08:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- ’’’support rename’’’ —-W2024 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former synagogues Wisconsin
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Former synagogues Wisconsin to Category:Former synagogues in Wisconsin
- Nominator's rationale: Category should be renamed to match others in Category:Former synagogues in the United States by state Pretzelles (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename WP:C2C. NLeeuw (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2C Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per both C2A and C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: As the originator of the category, I clearly made a typo. Thanks for picking it up. Rangasyd (talk) 08:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename WP:C2C. NLeeuw (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- ‘’’support rename’’’ —-W2024 (talk) 16:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bond (string quartet)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: With subcategories only for the quartet's albums and their covers, the eponymous category is unnecessary per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving the Nizari Ismaili state
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. WP:MFN. Can't find other battles, so merging to wars seems the best option. NLeeuw (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the latter because the article seems to imply that the Nizari Ismaili state was not really involved. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Central March
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Just delete, not useful for navigation. Main article Central March is already in both parents, and the only article Wadih al-Siqlabi is a biography that fits neither parent. NLeeuw (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. In addition, governor of the Central March seems to be a relatively minor position, not contributing much to the notability of the subject of the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate
Category:Government of the Ayyubid Sultanate
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Government of the Ayyubid Sultanate to Category:Ayyubid Sultanate; purging child cats
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Both child cats area already in Category:People from the Ayyubid Sultanate, and both articles could easily be put in parent Category:Ayyubid Sultanate (5 P, 2 of which are redirects). NLeeuw (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The category is part of a wider category family on governments of historical states. What exactly is the gain of deleting it and upmerging, that is enough to counterbalance the loss in categorization? There are likely even more articles already on WP that can be added there, and certainly still more that can be written, as the topic is under-represented. Constantine ✍ 16:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Easy navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The two articles aren't really about government of the Ayyubid Sultanate, they are about the outskirts of it. If anything, they are about social geography rather than about government, but having them simply in the main category is even better. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good points. NLeeuw (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Government of the Samanid Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 1 C. Just delete as a redundant layer, while manually moving Ispahsalar (only article) to Category:Samanid Empire; only child is already in Category:People from the Samanid Empire. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, possibly move the article to Category:Samanid Empire but that is not even very necessary because the article is not specifically about the Samanid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah it's not even necessary to move the article, but I wouldn't object to it. NLeeuw (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Sardinia
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. WP:MFN. There are many, many underpopulated (1 to 4 P) ambassador cats like this created in February–May 2024 by the same person. Others were created longer ago. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The category is not arbitrary and has clearly room of expansion, as the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Sardinia overlapped by several centuries. If the category exists, articles will be added to it. If it is deleted, they won't; not many WP members are actively engaged in categorization. If a reader, like myself, is interested in the bilateral relations between Venice and specific other states, why should they go hunting in more generic categories? This equally applies to the other 'underpopulated categories' mentioned in the nomination. I really don't understand what the project gains from deletions like this. Constantine ✍ 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- The purpose of categories is easy navigation between articles. Categories in categories in categories which contain only 1 article do not ease navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, per nom. One may be interested in this intersection, sure, but if there aren't any other articles then the most closely related articles are in the more general categories and merging helps navigation to them. Of course, no objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. There categories are indeed extremely underpopulated, and often isolated from where readers expect to see them (somewhere in the modern country category typically). Mason (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:SaarLorLux Open
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:SaarLorLux Open to Category:Hylo Open
- Nominator's rationale: Per the current article name Solidest (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, rename. --Florentyna (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Government of the Almohad Caliphate
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Government of the Almohad Caliphate to Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate
- Propose upmerging Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate to Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layers. Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate is already in the target category, and Category:Almohad caliphs should also be, but isn't yet. Category:Governors of the Almohad Caliphate is the only subcat of Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate, and apart from Ibn Tufayl, it has no contents, so "Officials" is also a redundant layer. (I was able to populate Category:Governors of the Almohad Caliphate from 2 to 6 p, so no reason to upmerge that one yet). Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 14:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. There isn't any topic article about government and biography subcats are perfectly fine under people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs (4 P) and Category:13th-century Almohad caliphs (10 P) are probably best upmerged to Category:Almohad caliphs, and to Category:12th-century caliphs + Category:12th-century monarchs in Africa & Category:13th-century caliphs + Category:13th-century monarchs in Africa, respectively. A subdivision by century for a dynasty that lasted just under one century and a half tends not to aid navigation very much. But I suggest that for a follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 14:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Government of the Khwarazmian Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Just delete as a redundant layer; only child is already in Category:People from the Khwarazmian Empire. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
MergeDelete per nom. There isn't any topic article about government and the biography subcat is perfectly fine under people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)- Merge to what? I'm proposing to Just delete. NLeeuw (talk) 23:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People by ethnic descent
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge (first four only). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People of African descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of Asian descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of European descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of North American descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of Oceanian descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of South American descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are for people of different ethnic descents. There is nothing here specific to any particular continent. Additionally, the names might wrongly imply that this is the person's own ethnicity when, in reality, it refers to their ancestors' ethnicity. Aldij (talk) 12:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aldij: this merge would remove the content from Category:People of African descent, etc., is that intentional? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the categories are already included through the nationality descent category. However, I agree to the duplicate merge as well. Aldij (talk) 07:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok so that part of the merge needs to happen manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aldij is a sock, now blocked. NLeeuw (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok so that part of the merge needs to happen manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the categories are already included through the nationality descent category. However, I agree to the duplicate merge as well. Aldij (talk) 07:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Marcocapelle, with categories added to the continental descent tree where not redundant. For example, Category:People of Benga descent concerns an ethnic group that spans multiple countries in Africa. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category:People of Oceanian descent by ethnicity and Category:People of South American descent by ethnicity were speedy deleted per G5. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Auto racing teams
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Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs
Category:Ancient tribes in Ukraine
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Ancient tribes in Ukraine to Category:Ancient peoples of Ukraine
- Nominator's rationale: 2 P, 0 C. WP:MFN Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 06:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Sarmatian tribes. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well-spotted. Then also Just delete from me as nom. NLeeuw (talk) 23:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Gilgit-Baltistan history stubs
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Gilgit-Baltistan history stubs to Category:Pakistani history stubs (and perhaps also to Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs)
- Propose merging Category:Sindh history stubs to Category:Pakistani history stubs
- Nominator's rationale: merge, poorly populated stub categories and we usually do not have stub history categories by Pakistani province. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Events at the Amway Center
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 04:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I don't believe Wikipedia categorizes events by venue? Gjs238 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia does, in fact, categorize events by venue. Abhiramakella (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: Category:Events by venue does not exist, so you need to be a bit more specific about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there is Category:Events at Allstate Arena. Abhiramakella (talk) 18:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: Category:Events by venue does not exist, so you need to be a bit more specific about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia does, in fact, categorize events by venue. Abhiramakella (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: this tree does not go any further than Category:Events in Illinois by venue and is the work of a single editor. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per WP:TRIVIALCAT and in the spirit of WP:OCLOCATION, this category combines completely unrelated events. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 12:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Galician films
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Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub
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- The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:North American cricket ground stubs to ???
- Nominator's rationale: Used on only 3 articles. Merge the category to Category:North American sports venue stubs. Follow-up CfD to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:North_American_sports_venue_stubs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete template and merge category but to Category:Cricket ground stubs; do not also merge to the original North American target, as pages should all be within national sub-cats of that one. Implement by replacing stub link with {{Cricket-ground-stub}}. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on FL's proposal?
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- Merge per Fayenatic london. As said, pages should mostly be directly in a country stub category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Circassia
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Category:This TV affiliates
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean keep. But why delete. Being defunct isn't a reason to delete. We'd have to delete Category:Roman Empire, using that logic. Mason (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Smasongarrison: Category:Roman Empire is an encyclopedically relevant topic for historians, Category:This TV affiliates is not comparable in that sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- My point was the OP's argument was not compelling by itself because that would mean that anything defunct would be worth deleting. (I picked the Roman Empire because it was obviously worth keeping, but would fail using op's argument) Mason (talk) 05:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean keep Main article This TV does not say anywhere explicitly that the network is defunct, just that its website went down in May 2024. Secondly, this category has a main article, List of This TV affiliates, implying that this subject qualifies for a stand-alone page. Personally, I think that article is poorly sourced, and perhaps it should be AfD'd, which would open the way for a deletion of this category. But until that happens, I don't see a compelling reason to delete the category just yet. NLeeuw (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving ancient peoples
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Category:Wesley L. McDonald Distinguished Statesman and Stateswoman of Aviation Award
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not even sure if this meets the criteria for a defining characteristic. Gjs238 (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably the most prominent award for civil aviation that exists in the United States. It more than a defining characteristic. Nayyn (talk) 11:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
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- It discourages people from contributing to Wikipedia when you delete for absolutely no reason. Nayyn (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Gjs238 (talk) 12:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- If this award category should be deleted under those parameters you should then delete categories such as Category:Piolet d'Or winners Nayyn (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is one of the most highest honors for civil aviation. I am not sure why it fails the WP:OCAWARD criteria Nayyn (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 10
Category:Gaborone task force
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted as G7. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (🏳️⚧️ • 🏳️🌈) 23:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: only contains an empty subcat; Wikipedia:WikiProject Botswana/Gaborone task force was G7ed Queen of Hearts (🏳️⚧️ • 🏳️🌈) 22:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- ok i’ll g7 this too 48JCL TALK 22:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fan translation of video games
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Category:Ex-Muslims
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ex-Muslims to Category:Apostasy in Islam
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only an eponymous category and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The main article is Ex-Muslims. ”apostate is a pejorative label and is meant to reflect the sense of betrayal felt by those who remain members of the religion”. [8] --Thi (talk) 20:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok does the category exist because of discontent with the name of the parent category? Apostasy in Islam is commonly defined as the abandonment of Islam by a Muslim, in thought, word, or through deed. There is nothing pejorative about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Apostasy" is per se pejorative. Not sure how you didn't know that. Jclemens (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- In any case it is a redundant fork. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Apostasy" is per se pejorative. Not sure how you didn't know that. Jclemens (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Marco. ALso it is work noting that the pages in the category were all moved from the merge target. They effectively created the category to replace Category:Apostasy in Islam and Category:Former Muslims. I think we should set the category to redirect to Category:Former Muslims. Mason (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Marco. @Marcocapelle, what do you think about Mason's proposal? Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, by all means redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Marco. @Marcocapelle, what do you think about Mason's proposal? Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok does the category exist because of discontent with the name of the parent category? Apostasy in Islam is commonly defined as the abandonment of Islam by a Muslim, in thought, word, or through deed. There is nothing pejorative about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Berber former Christians
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- The result of the discussion was: soft merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete for now, single-article category, which is not helpful for nomination. No need to merge, the article is already in Category:Algerian former Christians. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Should this be merged to Category:Berber Christians? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't object to that. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Should this be merged to Category:Berber Christians? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of film festivals in Oceania
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category which exists solely to hold one list at the same level of differentiation. This would be fine if one or more Oceanian countries had their own separate standalone lists independently of the continent-wide list, but none do, so the list does not need an "eponymous" category just to recursively contain itself if there are no supplementary sublists for specific Oceanian countries to file along with it.
The list, further, was left double-filed in all of the parent categories alongside this, so no upmerging is needed. Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Film festivals in Oceania per WP:C2F and per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian police chiefs
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Category:Lists of awards received by Ugandan writer
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No need to merge, the article is already in Category:Lists of awards received by writer. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Cos (X + Z) 18:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of awards received by Ugandan film director
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 12:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No need to merge, the article is already in Category:Lists of awards received by film director. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Society of Kurdistan
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. The only proponent is a blocked sock; anyone else is welcome to renominate this category if they wish to pursue this further. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 15:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Society of Kurdistan to Category:Kurdish society
- Nominator's rationale: Similar categories in Category:Society by ethnicity are named in this manner. Kurdistan is a very roughly defined region. Please note that the category was previously moved speedy from 'Kurdish society'. Aldij (talk) 08:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Kurdistan is a region, not an ethnicity. The nom has been blocked, and they also changed the parent category from Category:Society by region to Society by ethnicity Mason (talk) 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Battles in Spain 2
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Andalusia to Category:Military history of Andalusia
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Aragon to Category:Military history of Aragon
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Castile and León to Category:Military history of Castile and León
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Castilla–La Mancha to Category:Military history of Castilla–La Mancha
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Extremadura to Category:Military history of Extremadura
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Galicia (Spain) to Category:Military history of Galicia (Spain)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Navarre to Category:Military history of Navarre
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in the Balearic Islands to Category:Military history of the Balearic Islands
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in the Basque Country (autonomous community) to Category:Military history of the Basque Country (autonomous community)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in the Valencian Community to Category:Military history of the Valencian Community
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Catalonia to Category:Military history of Catalonia
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in the Community of Madrid to Category:Military history of Madrid
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See Germany, Italy etc. NLeeuw (talk) 05:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Aunty Disco Project
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: With the albums appropriately categorized by Category:Albums by artist and the only other article a discography page, this is an unnecessary eponymous category. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom, per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Unreal Engine 5 games
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicative with Category:Unreal Engine games. No merge required, as all members of the nominated category are in the original already. Each version of Unreal Engine is not independently notable or distinct. -- ferret (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree because Category:Unreal Engine games is very large and spans more than two decades of video games. There isn't much use in knowing that a game was made with "just" Unreal Engine from the point of view of someone reading about the game compared to knowing that it was made in Unreal 5 which tells you a lot more about what you can expect from the game both in terms of graphics and gameplay (that is, within a given specific genre). Similarly, there isn't much use in knowing a game was made in "just" Unreal from the point of view of someone reading about Unreal itslef as nobody develops games in "Unreal Engine." Consider also that the Video Game infobox Engine field usually has the Unreal Engine version listed, not just "Unreal Engine", because just listing "Unreal Engine" is not so useful. Each version of Unreal is a separate piece of software. Also, not all members of the nominated category are in the original already (at least at the time that I added some of them).
- As a separate but related point, I feel that all versions of Unreal Engine should be separate articles on Wikipedia. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be merged to Category:Unreal Engine games rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle The articles are already in both. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle The articles are already in both. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I propose instead of deleting the category, it should be a sub-category under Category:Unreal Engine games. In fact, I think the all the pages under this category also should be sorted by Unreal Engine type, i.e. UE1, UE2, UE3 and UE4. This rationale is made since the list of games for each Unreal Engine version is deleted, and there should be categories that list by version to clean up Category:Unreal Engine games. Otherwise the alternative is to simply delete Category:Unreal Engine games. ~ Limyx826 (talk) 19:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Criteria for categories are stricter than for lists so if lists per version were deleted, categories per version should certainly be deleted as well. Then Category:Unreal Engine games suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, can you please point me at the criteria that this category violates? Would Category:Source 2 games violate it as well?In Russian Wikipedia, we created a separate category for each version of Unreal Engine and I'm pretty satisfied with the result. A particle for world to form (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DEFINING requires that reliable sources consistently describe the games as having this property. WP:TRIVIALCAT may also be applicable. Can you please point me to the discussion about the — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcocapelle (talk • contribs)
- Thanks. I can see how WP:DEFINING is applicable here (even though there're enough sources to model this in Wikidata, like ModDB, those are mostly unreliable in enwiki). But then I don't see how the same logic is not applicable to the general Category:Unreal Engine games (since the List of Unreal Engine games was deleted). To me it looks like either we should delete most of the engines' categories, or we can keep separate categories for Unreal Engine versions. Whenever a media covers game engines, it usually specifies UE version (Stormgate, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Sin City, etc).And I don't see how WP:TRIVIALCAT is applicable. The difference between Unreal Engine 1 and Unreal Engine 5 is very significiant, both from user's and developer's perspective, so in my opinion it actually helps the navigation.There were no inwiki discussion about splitting the category as far as I can remember. We discussed some aspects of it on Russian WPVG Discord server, but that's probably it. A particle for world to form (talk) 06:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DEFINING requires that reliable sources consistently describe the games as having this property. WP:TRIVIALCAT may also be applicable. Can you please point me to the discussion about the — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcocapelle (talk • contribs)
- @Marcocapelle, can you please point me at the criteria that this category violates? Would Category:Source 2 games violate it as well?In Russian Wikipedia, we created a separate category for each version of Unreal Engine and I'm pretty satisfied with the result. A particle for world to form (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Criteria for categories are stricter than for lists so if lists per version were deleted, categories per version should certainly be deleted as well. Then Category:Unreal Engine games suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The separate versions pretty much characterize the games, comparing to just "Unreal Engine", given its existence for many years. The UE versions are quite different from each other, both in terms of development and end result. They all have their own separate version tree as well, so I would even say to some extent these are the different engines under the same brand name. The versions are also extensively covered in the sources, just as the versions for individual games are often supported by sources and are listed in the infobox. There may not be enough material for individual articles (needs to be verified), but there is enough material to split up this clogged category. The difference between the versions is enormous and obvious to anyone who follows the industry, and generally useful to any reader. Practically, you'll have little use for the information that Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (video game) and Tekken 8 were made on the same engine. But looking at them as separate versions is already a defining characteristic - WP:DEFINING. The distinct version categories also correspond better to WP:CATDD, which explicitly states to use the most specific categories.Therefore, I support splitting c:Unreal Engine games into 5 subcategories with gradual moving of articles to corresponding versions and turning the main category into a meta category. On Russian Wikipedia it really looks much cleaner and more informative than the endless listing we have now. Solidest (talk) 05:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Either we get rid of the "Unreal Engine games" category entirely, or this should stay. Unreal Engine 5 is absolutely distinct from something like the original Unreal Engine, to the point that it's essentially two separate pieces of software sharing a similar name. The argument that they are the same thing doesn't hold water from either a technical or a visual standpoint. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Female drug traffickers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Drug traffickers only. There was no substantiative rationale for keeping it. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Female drug traffickers to Category:Female criminals and Category:Drug traffickers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between gender, criminal, and specific kind of crime committed. I don't think that this holds up under WP:EGRS. Mason (talk) 03:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, how is this any less defining than other subcategories of Category:Female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 05:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's not what I was suggesting. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, how is this any less defining than other subcategories of Category:Female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 05:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Split There is no main article for female drug traffickers, which is a good indication it's not defining. If someone can prove otherwise and/or make a main article, I would think otherwise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Drug traffickers only. There is no need for a dual merge. The large amount of articles is already in the tree of Category:Female gangsters and if they aren't, such as Schapelle Corby, then Category:Female criminals is an equally questionable target. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I see no reason to not divide criminals by their gender. Gender is always defining. Dimadick (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is hardly ever a defining intersection. That is why we have WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- How is this any less defining than other subcategories for female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Feel free to nominate the sibling categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's not at all what I'm implying. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: Can any of the opposers (@AHI-3000@Dimadick) make the case that this specific intersection with gender and type of crime is actually defining per EGRS? No one is saying that crime and gender isn't defining, but I struggle to see how this specific crime type is defining. Mason (talk) 00:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's not at all what I'm implying. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Feel free to nominate the sibling categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- How is this any less defining than other subcategories for female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is hardly ever a defining intersection. That is why we have WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @Smasongarrison and Zxcvbnm: please reply to my single merge vote above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't realize most were already under gangsters, so I can support the single merge. As long as this category is removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge sounds good to me. Mason (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't realize most were already under gangsters, so I can support the single merge. As long as this category is removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Accidents during the New Year celebrations
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 15:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining itnersection between day of the year and nature of the event Mason (talk) 02:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Only one article, and no parallel subcategories. We also Category:Attacks during the New Year celebrations, which is being speedy renamed to remove a misused definite article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, Fireworks accidents during New Year celebrations could be a good topic article but victims are not individually notable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ipswich town preachers
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Clergy from Ipswich
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category that is effectively is the same. Mason (talk) 19:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose capitalisation: move Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Ipswich Town Preachers. When this category entered the jigsaw world of signs, known as wikipedia, it was unclear whether the category should use uppercase letters to initialise not merely Ipswich, but also "Town Preacher". The Oxford Academic use lower case, but local historian John Blatchly goes for uppercase. I think the advantage of this that it is clear that this refers to people who held a formal role, rather than a simply being a wikipedia category that lists Clergy from Ipswich. Often Ipswich Corporation appointed people from elsewhere. Bearing in mind the significance of some of those who occupied this role such as Samuel Ward (minister) or Cave Beck, it would seem appropriate to have such a category. I feel that capitalisation will indicate the category is more formal/historical. Leutha (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: I've reverted your unexplained removal of this category from the proposed merge target. How is this category not Clergy from Ipswich? And why is the current category parented by 17th-century clergy. Mason (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen from the discussion above, the category is quite formal. Many people filing this role were not from Ipswich: Samuel Ward (minister) was from Haverhill, Matthew Lawrence (preacher) was from North Lincolnshire, Cave Beck was from London. The references for the Town Preachers are largely consistent from 1604, G. R.Clarke gives a list of 7 before 1604 in his 1830 The history and description of the town and borough of Ipswich : 343 . However only one appears in Blatchly's list in his book on The Town Library of Ipswich (1989): 177 . Any suggestions as regards how to handle the earlier individuals such as Roger Kelke, the Marian exile who returned to become Ipswich Town Preacher from 1560 until 1575, according to Blatchly? ibid : 4 . Leutha (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok... so it sounds like this information would be better served as a list. Categories are supposed to be there to help people navigate between pages. I would *strongly* encourage you to look at how other categories handle clergy from a region.
- It seems like you are under the impression that People from a city is only for people who were born from the city. That's too narrow of a definition, as Bishops of CITY/ diocese are placed within the clergy from CITY/REGION etc category. And, so if I am understanding your very long comment, you're added the parent because there's only one example of of a precher from before the 17th century, but you don't speak to what about after the 17th century. Mason (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen from the discussion above, the category is quite formal. Many people filing this role were not from Ipswich: Samuel Ward (minister) was from Haverhill, Matthew Lawrence (preacher) was from North Lincolnshire, Cave Beck was from London. The references for the Town Preachers are largely consistent from 1604, G. R.Clarke gives a list of 7 before 1604 in his 1830 The history and description of the town and borough of Ipswich : 343 . However only one appears in Blatchly's list in his book on The Town Library of Ipswich (1989): 177 . Any suggestions as regards how to handle the earlier individuals such as Roger Kelke, the Marian exile who returned to become Ipswich Town Preacher from 1560 until 1575, according to Blatchly? ibid : 4 . Leutha (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: I've reverted your unexplained removal of this category from the proposed merge target. How is this category not Clergy from Ipswich? And why is the current category parented by 17th-century clergy. Mason (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose capitalisation: move Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Ipswich Town Preachers. When this category entered the jigsaw world of signs, known as wikipedia, it was unclear whether the category should use uppercase letters to initialise not merely Ipswich, but also "Town Preacher". The Oxford Academic use lower case, but local historian John Blatchly goes for uppercase. I think the advantage of this that it is clear that this refers to people who held a formal role, rather than a simply being a wikipedia category that lists Clergy from Ipswich. Often Ipswich Corporation appointed people from elsewhere. Bearing in mind the significance of some of those who occupied this role such as Samuel Ward (minister) or Cave Beck, it would seem appropriate to have such a category. I feel that capitalisation will indicate the category is more formal/historical. Leutha (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, clergy is usually a formal role, that is not a good reason for a split. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it's now clear that Ipswich Town Preacher was a formal appointment by the Corporation. As for the current lowercase category name format, this is correct per MOS:JOBTITLE. – Fayenatic London 10:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former high schools in Tokyo
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Category:12th-century Arab historians
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Battles in Spain 1
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging...
- Category:Battles in Asturias (4 P) to Category:History of Asturias
- Category:Battles in Cantabria (3 P) to Category:History of Cantabria
- Category:Battles in La Rioja (Spain) (3 P) to Category:History of La Rioja (Spain)
- Category:Battles in the Region of Murcia (3 P) to Category:History of Murcia (region)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See Germany, Italy etc. NLeeuw (talk) 23:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles by location in Greece
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- The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles by location in Greece to Category:Military history of Greece by location
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Central Greece to Category:Military history of Central Greece
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in the Peloponnese to Category:Military history of the Peloponnese
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Macedonia (Greece) to Category:Military history of Macedonia (Greece)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in medieval Macedonia (3 P) to Category:Military history of Macedonia (Greece)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See Italy, Germany and other recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Housing rights activists from Detroit
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Activists from Detroit. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Housing rights activists from Detroit to Category:People from Detroit
- Nominator's rationale: Category with only 1 entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 22:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:Activists from Detroit instead. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Activists from Detroit as a more specific target. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Acquired citizenship
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Will reopen in the event the original Cfd goes through. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Acquired citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens
- Nominator's rationale: Remove redirect from "Naturalized citizens" and merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: this Cfd is related to this Cfd below. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- These are topic articles instead of biographies. I think Category:Change of nationality is a better merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I would agree to this alternative merge. Merge with Category:Change of nationality per Marco. Leave the rest as is. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud
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- The result of the discussion was: keep but create Category:Songs involved in the Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud as a subcategory and diffuse the songs. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Specifies what's in the category The Midnite Wolf (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- not sure this is a good idea. because some things might not be a song for example the New Ho King restaurant which got very famous because of the feud. there was also a pizzeria, and if more things comes up "songs" would not make sense Freedun (yippity yap) 00:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will note that Freedun has been blocked as a sock (in other words, I consider this unopposed as of now). Given that there is a potential objection, I will relist, but in a week if there are no further comments I would close this as soft rename.
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- Partial merge as a possible compromise, by creating Category:Songs involved in the Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud as a subcategory of Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud which would allow New Ho King to remain in the main category while moving all the songs to the new category. This would also allow any future non-song pages/categories to be added under the main category. Relinus (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this decision. As long as there are articles about the feud that are not about songs, having the parent category will be pretty handy. RPI2026F1 (talk) 00:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also support a partial merge per Relinus, considering there are multiple articles in this category that aren't songs, a full rename wouldn't be appropriate. ULPS (talk • contribs) 16:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Internet technology companies by Bangladesh
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7 Liz Read! Talk! 20:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Typo for Internet technology companies of Bangladesh Greatder (talk) 18:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Secularism in the Arab world
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Category:18th-century African-American politicians
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:18th-century American politicians. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 3x Upmerge. Per African-American officeholders in the United States, 1789–1866. There is only one person Wentworth Cheswell who will ever be in this category. Mason (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:18th-century American politicians because the article is already in other subcategories of the proposed targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hamas bombers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as per nom. There is consensus that "bombers" is too vague a term to be useful in categorisation. No consensus on Category:Hamas members by role; WP:NPASR for that category. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas members
- Nominator's rationale: "bomber" is not an occupation. User:Namiba 01:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, but Populate Bombing and especially suicide bombing is not necessarily like a paid "job", no, but it is a "role" in a military, paramilitary or terrorist organisation, even if it is literally the last thing they'll ever do. For the record, I understand "bombers" to include "bomb-makers". Therefore, Category:Hamas members by role is appropriate. (There is a whole Category:Hamas suicide bombings and List of Palestinian suicide attacks, which shows this is a common role within the organisation). Currently, Category:Bombers (people) is in the Category:Criminals by crime, while Category:Suicide bombing is inter alia in Category:Military tactics.
- Although the category had only 2 members when nominated, it could easily be populated with more. I just added Mohiyedine Sharif, Yahya Ayyash, Samar Sabih, and Nidal Farahat. Most of these were already in Category:Hamas military members. It might be worth re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, although that would leave Category:Hamas members by role pretty much empty. I think it is quite a redundant layer anyway; we could Upmerge it to Category:Hamas members instead. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Namiba So you agree with Upmerging Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members, and Re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members? If so, could you please tag Category:Hamas members by role accordingly, and change your proposal, or add it as an Alt proposal? Thanks in advance!
- If you mean something else, please clarify, so we can discuss it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, rather to Category:Hamas military members. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for me.--User:Namiba 14:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Great! NLeeuw (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I tagged that category to make it part of this CfM. NLeeuw (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Great! NLeeuw (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for me.--User:Namiba 14:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as Category:Hamas members by role has not been tagged for a week.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge somewhere. Bomber isn't defining. Mason (talk) 23:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support: "Bomber" and "military wing membership" aren't specific roles – they are attributions or in some cases here allegations or associations. Leadership is also a vague concept in the context and can refer to individuals at all different levels up and down the hierarchy, so "leader" is also not a specific role here. There's no reason why these sub-categories wouldn't simply be more usefully listed under the main category anyway. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323: please revert your removal of the category from various members. It defeats the purpose of CfD if you do so. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The category wasn't populated with any "bombers", which are aircraft. It contained five military engineers and bomb markers and one suicide bomber, which is a precise term. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323: please revert your removal of the category from various members. It defeats the purpose of CfD if you do so. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 05:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I have restored the six members.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323, @Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, what is your preference regarding the nom's proposal and the alternative proposal by Nederlandse Leeuw above? — Qwerfjkltalk 17:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It can be merged to Category:Hamas military members, but that would only prequel a further discussion on renaming/deletion. At the moment, it is imprecise and could be readily deleted as vapid and meaningless. Alternatively, five members are "bomb markers", not "bombers", so it could be renamed to that; however, the last is a suicide bomber, which would need removing in case of renaming. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ancient villages in Israel
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. There is no need to merge, the subcategory is already in appropriate parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People with acquired citizenship
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/rename and redirect. I will implement this in stages to avoid circular parenting. – Fayenatic London 12:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens by country
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Azerbaijani citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Austrian citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of Austria
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Armenian citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Armenia
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Australian citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of Australia
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Argentine citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Argentina
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Angolan citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Angola
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Andorran citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of Andorra
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Algerian citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Algeria
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Albanian citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Albania
- Nominator's rationale: Merge/rename per recent Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose People can acquire citizenship through other means than naturalization. Many jus sanguinis countries allow people to register as citizens without going through the naturalization process if they have family ties to the country. The discussion was poorly attended and flat out wrong because most people with acquired Israeli citizenship got it via a different process than naturalization. (t · c) buidhe 05:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: so if merged it should be a reverse merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would lean towards opposing merge because heritage citizenship acquisition is very different from naturalization, and could be a defining difference. Besides naturalization is a more common term, because most countries with a lot of new citizens get them via naturalization primarily or exclusively. (t · c) buidhe 05:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe, so would you suggest the other way around? "Acquired" being the more broader term. @Marcocapelle Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would lean towards opposing merge because heritage citizenship acquisition is very different from naturalization, and could be a defining difference. Besides naturalization is a more common term, because most countries with a lot of new citizens get them via naturalization primarily or exclusively. (t · c) buidhe 05:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison I think merging as is would be better, don't you? I would also open to reverse merge too since "aquired" is a more broader term covering types of citizenships. I just don't think splitting hairs between types of methods is advisable here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is also true, so I am not wedded to a particular merge direction. I do think that these categories should be merged somehow since the difference between the two is pretty trivial. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support a merge. I'm of the same opinion as Macro. A merge would be good, either direction is fine with me.Mason (talk) 22:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is also true, so I am not wedded to a particular merge direction. I do think that these categories should be merged somehow since the difference between the two is pretty trivial. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: so if merged it should be a reverse merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose People can acquire citizenship through other means than naturalization. Many jus sanguinis countries allow people to register as citizens without going through the naturalization process if they have family ties to the country. The discussion was poorly attended and flat out wrong because most people with acquired Israeli citizenship got it via a different process than naturalization. (t · c) buidhe 05:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery and Ymblanter: please do not process the previous nomination pending discussion about this one. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it was already processed two days ago, but the categories can be retagged and included here, if there is consensus to revert we can revert. Ymblanter (talk) 05:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note 1: If a merge does go ahead, the parent categories will need to be edited manually. Note 2: I only found this after merging Wikidata on some of the former set. I am willing to undo that work if there is consensus to revert. – Fayenatic London 10:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename per nom and precedent. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Syndromes with autism
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Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as per Marco. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:13th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:Bavand dynasty and Category:13th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose merging Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers to Category:Baduspanids and Category:13th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:Bavand dynasty and Category:14th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose merging Category:14th-century Baduspanid rulers to Category:Baduspanids and Category:14th-century Iranian rulers
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think we need to diffuse Bavand or Baduspanid dynasty by century. Instead I think we should repurpose it to be a nationality category. Mason (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, better merge them to existing categories rather than establishing a new tree with only two subcategories. The merge targets (next to the dynasty) would be Category:13th-century monarchs in the Middle East and Category:13th-century Iranian people and likewise for the 14th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep But why? Both dynasties almost lasted 1000 years and had many rulers. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the category only contains two centuries... and we don't typically have categories at the intersection of occupation+century+family dynasty. And we don't have parent categories for several of the two way intersections, which makes it hard for me to see a case for why this narrow intersection is defining. Mason (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lots of differing options; any compromise?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- I'd be happy to merge it into the existing categories. Mason (talk) 00:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The reigns of monarchs are often long enough that century categories aren't needed for the rulers of a specific monarchy. But we would need to merge Category:13th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:13th-century monarchs in the Middle East and Category:13th-century Iranian people and likewise for the others. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: no accurate reliable sources to verify such a classification, even the category descroption says "This category is not necessarily indicative of total loss of population, traditions, language or culture - each specific case may have particular individual contexts" that its unable to be clearerly define or even confirm that the launguage, culture, people, knowledge, country is actually extinct Wikipedia should not be categorising as such. Gnangarra 13:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Gnangarra 09:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra The category description can be changed. If articles can use past tense words like "were" and "was" in reference to a tribe, I'm not seeing why the word "extinct" is out of question. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is the issue of using the "tribes" to decsribe Indigenous Countries, Cultures and People in Australia is inaccurate at best racist at worst. The term itself implies a lot of colonial misinformation and a distinct lack of understanding of Indigenous Cutlures in Australia. The use of past tense in words like were or was is also not an indicator of the Indigenous Countries, cultures, languages or peoples continuation. Very specifically by calling a Country extinct that frees the restriction of cultural protocols applying when working on with Indugenous Cultural materials. All countries are still in existance and are represented through Land Councils who manage everything from protocols on entering a country, to land rights. My reasoning is not playing words games its saying that the assumption of being extinct is a misnomer, even in languages and cultures where a recent Language conference in Queensland a professor was luaghed off stage when he stated that a language was extinct yet multiple people stood up and spoke the language. Without rocksolid gold plate sources published within the last 4 years the label of extinct is a false narrative derived from the recent history wars, and anti landrights campaigners. The other issue we have is the Australian Bureau of Statistics problematic collection of reliable data as it records just one language spoken not all In the context of the Census, 'Indigenous' or 'First Nations' results are defined by respondents who have answered that they are of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander background. There are over 230 Australian Indigenous Languages that the Census records which is less than the actual number of Indigenous languages.[9]. Gnangarra 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the use of "tribe" isn't my decision. It is used for many articles about Aboriginal Australian groups, so that seems to perhaps be a wider issue worth fixing. What is the continuation of a group like the Toogee? What is the relevant land council? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tribe is not used in Australia, the poor use of terms in Wikipedia articles is one of the many barriers people working with Indigenous cultures struggle to address as shows Wikipedia in a bad light and not respectful of the culture. Basically ticks all the racists, Inforwar, challenge faced out on the street its up to us to lift our standards. Gnangarra 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the use of "tribe" isn't my decision. It is used for many articles about Aboriginal Australian groups, so that seems to perhaps be a wider issue worth fixing. What is the continuation of a group like the Toogee? What is the relevant land council? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is the issue of using the "tribes" to decsribe Indigenous Countries, Cultures and People in Australia is inaccurate at best racist at worst. The term itself implies a lot of colonial misinformation and a distinct lack of understanding of Indigenous Cutlures in Australia. The use of past tense in words like were or was is also not an indicator of the Indigenous Countries, cultures, languages or peoples continuation. Very specifically by calling a Country extinct that frees the restriction of cultural protocols applying when working on with Indugenous Cultural materials. All countries are still in existance and are represented through Land Councils who manage everything from protocols on entering a country, to land rights. My reasoning is not playing words games its saying that the assumption of being extinct is a misnomer, even in languages and cultures where a recent Language conference in Queensland a professor was luaghed off stage when he stated that a language was extinct yet multiple people stood up and spoke the language. Without rocksolid gold plate sources published within the last 4 years the label of extinct is a false narrative derived from the recent history wars, and anti landrights campaigners. The other issue we have is the Australian Bureau of Statistics problematic collection of reliable data as it records just one language spoken not all In the context of the Census, 'Indigenous' or 'First Nations' results are defined by respondents who have answered that they are of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander background. There are over 230 Australian Indigenous Languages that the Census records which is less than the actual number of Indigenous languages.[9]. Gnangarra 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra The category description can be changed. If articles can use past tense words like "were" and "was" in reference to a tribe, I'm not seeing why the word "extinct" is out of question. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is questionable if ethnic groups become extinct at all. A language may become extinct for sure, but ethnic groups mostly dissolve in other ethnic groups. - But this comment applies to the whole tree of Category:Extinct ethnic groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Aren't we talking about cultural extinction? Are you defining extinction as the literal death of all group members without any descendants? That seems like an unorthodox interpretation. The Susquehannock people are extinct as a tribe, despite having some descendants in the Seneca-Cayuga Nation. I don't see any contradiction here. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Frustratingly, the term "extinct" seems to be used somewhat inconsistently for both cultural extinction and the death of all group members (at least, from a google search). Is there a better term we could use to distinguish the two? Category:Extinct ethnic groups is currently a subcategory under Category:Human extinction which implies the latter, so perhaps it should be renamed and/or categorized differently if most of the members are groups that are only culturally extinct. Psychastes (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seneca-Cayuga Nation is not an Indigenous Country in Australia, you are making comparisons that are not like for like. Gnangarra 09:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- And? I'm addressing Marcocapelle's statement about the broader category tree. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Aren't we talking about cultural extinction? Are you defining extinction as the literal death of all group members without any descendants? That seems like an unorthodox interpretation. The Susquehannock people are extinct as a tribe, despite having some descendants in the Seneca-Cayuga Nation. I don't see any contradiction here. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If not an outright deletion then certainly a renaming to be more clear would seem to be a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What would you propose and why? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Genocide happens. Wishful thinking doesn't change that. "Extinct" is a harsh and ugly word to apply to people; it's natural to recoil in disgust at the idea. It may be very appealing to think that a group "didn't really go extinct" because some of their descendants blended into other groups. But if the group no longer exists as a distinct people with a distinct culture and language, the group really is extinct. Perhaps something like Category:Former Indigenous peoples would be less noxious to the moral sense of the reader. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Genocide happens
— In particular Genocide of Indigenous Australians. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)- @Mitch Ames That leads to two questions. Is there even one example in all of Australian history of an entire group being murdered without any known descendants? Are there any examples of groups who, through genocidal violence and assimilation, ceased to exist as distinct cultural groups? In both cases, there would have to be terminology to describe a group that once was and now is no longer. If not "extinct", there would still have to be some other description. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, we need to be careful not to conflate "genocide" and "extinction". Genocide does not require killing all of the people - it is defined as "intentional destruction ... in whole or in part". Extinction requires that they all die, but doesn't require intent. There may be an overlap, but they are not the same thing, and neither implies the other. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- agree genocide doesnt equate to extinction. @Bohemian Baltimore perhaps you should start with List of massacres of Indigenous Australians to understand the extent of Geonicidal acts in Australia. Gnangarra 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra Since my meaning apparently wasn't clear; there are genocidal acts of violence which lead to the literal or cultural destruction of peoples. What terminology would you use to refer to groups that have been physically annihilated in entirety through genocidal violence, disease, etc? What terminology would you use to refer to historical groups that may have living descendants but that are no longer culturally distinct due to genocidal violence, etc? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the issue the assumptions here are made based on the use of past tense language in the article, none of them have any reliable sources to support being included in this category. Given that the category itself should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra There are a small number of articles. I do not have a strong opinion on the category, whether it should be renamed or deleted. But I reiterate my question; are there any historical Indigenous Australian groups that can be said to have once existed but that no longer do? What terminology should be used to refer to those historical groups? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I dont have any reliable sources to answer that question, all I know is the articles in this category dont have reliable sources to even be included in the category. The whole purpose of raising it here is exatcly the category itself not some wider theoretical discussion on meanings or what ifs. I gather I can remove them all from this category for lack of sourcing that clearly supports the claim. Gnangarra 12:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra How would you feel about a category such as Category:Historical Indigenous peoples in Australia, Category:Historical Indigenous peoples, etc. or would that involve the same quandaries? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- to quotes The articles are fine in Category:Aboriginal peoples of Queensland anyway. Marcocapelle Gnangarra 05:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra How would you feel about a category such as Category:Historical Indigenous peoples in Australia, Category:Historical Indigenous peoples, etc. or would that involve the same quandaries? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I dont have any reliable sources to answer that question, all I know is the articles in this category dont have reliable sources to even be included in the category. The whole purpose of raising it here is exatcly the category itself not some wider theoretical discussion on meanings or what ifs. I gather I can remove them all from this category for lack of sourcing that clearly supports the claim. Gnangarra 12:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra There are a small number of articles. I do not have a strong opinion on the category, whether it should be renamed or deleted. But I reiterate my question; are there any historical Indigenous Australian groups that can be said to have once existed but that no longer do? What terminology should be used to refer to those historical groups? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the issue the assumptions here are made based on the use of past tense language in the article, none of them have any reliable sources to support being included in this category. Given that the category itself should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra Since my meaning apparently wasn't clear; there are genocidal acts of violence which lead to the literal or cultural destruction of peoples. What terminology would you use to refer to groups that have been physically annihilated in entirety through genocidal violence, disease, etc? What terminology would you use to refer to historical groups that may have living descendants but that are no longer culturally distinct due to genocidal violence, etc? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames I'm not conflating genocide and extinction; I myself belong to a group whose history includes the former but not the latter. But I would question why the word extinction has to automatically mean everybody dies. I don't think a term like "cultural extinction" implies that. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
why the word extinction has to automatically mean everybody dies
— Because when we are talking about people, that's what the word means "Extinction is the termination ... by the death of its last member." Admittedly if we are talking about culture we could say that the group is extinct if nobody belongs to it. (If we all gave up editing and WMF deleted Wikipedia, Wikipedians could be said to be "extinct", but most us would still be alive.)- My main point here is that we should probably not use the word "genocide" in this discussion, because it is neither necessary nor sufficient for "extinction", and is unnecessarily emotive. Yes genocide happened, but that does not determine whether a particular people is extinct or not. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames Okay. So what terminology should we use for "cultural extinction"? What terminology should we use to refer to historical groups that no longer exist as distinct cultures? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The term "cultural extinction" is not helpful at all. Even if there is no tangible remainders of a culture you never know how much of customs and oral literature have been exchanged with and integrated in other cultures. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't mean that the group still exists. So what terminology would you use for a group that once existed and does not now? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd prefer using no terminology at all over inaccurate terminology. The articles are fine in Category:Aboriginal peoples of Queensland anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't mean that the group still exists. So what terminology would you use for a group that once existed and does not now? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The term "cultural extinction" is not helpful at all. Even if there is no tangible remainders of a culture you never know how much of customs and oral literature have been exchanged with and integrated in other cultures. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames Okay. So what terminology should we use for "cultural extinction"? What terminology should we use to refer to historical groups that no longer exist as distinct cultures? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- agree genocide doesnt equate to extinction. @Bohemian Baltimore perhaps you should start with List of massacres of Indigenous Australians to understand the extent of Geonicidal acts in Australia. Gnangarra 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Comment: having now been through every article not one defines the culture, people, or country as extinct, sadly Tindale works from 1974 is the primary source in every article and the most recent. The issue there their inclusion is based on whoever started the article using a generic type sentence like according to tindale they (some past tense word) from this area in Queensland. Ironically the only article with recent sourcing is about the current issue of domestic violance in Australia which makes no sense as its in this category. Gnangarra 12:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably you could solve the problem by changing "The Xxxx were ..." to "The Xxxx are ..." (other verb tense changes as appropriate), and providing a reliable source to support the statement of their continued existence. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I could change the wording, but as all the articles are basically say Tindale described these countries on his map as being xxxx, their inclusion in the category isnt based on reliable sources or hints of a reference to Extinct. I suggest the category becomes extinct. Gnangarra 14:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably you could solve the problem by changing "The Xxxx were ..." to "The Xxxx are ..." (other verb tense changes as appropriate), and providing a reliable source to support the statement of their continued existence. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Possible alternatives to "extinct", for the purposes of renaming the category (tree):* Historical: we already have Category:Historical ethnic groups of Australia - which possibly should be merged (one way or the other) with Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia. Note that Category:Extinct ethnic groups is a subcat of Category:Historical ethnic groups, so probably Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia (if it remains) should be a subcat of Category:Historical ethnic groups by continent * nonextant Mitch Ames (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment - for the record I had created this category in response to seeing a universal category being created for Extinct Indigenous groups, including Australian people, it seemed at the time better to identify the Australian component of an apparent claim. Note that by creating the category, I did not necessarily agree with either the category title or its assumptions, which is why I placed in bold comments as to the very specific event/issue raised in articles. I am intrigued by the discussion to date, as it seems either concentrating upon category trees and related subjects, or the issues of how to name groups of people who have been affected by reduction or severe loss of population. As the process in this particular part of wikipedia is relative to categories, there is a problem as to whether the actual subject is best ventured as to the veracity of terminology. It could be for everyones advantage to delete the original parent category, and find somewhere other than this CFD to explore the issues that are raised here. A collaborative approach to the wider wikipedian understanding of how to 'frame' the larger world wide issue of how and when ethnic groups have decimation of population is something well beyond the bounds of this cfd, and to simply arrive at a decision here on one small perspective does the larger project some significant disservice. Definitely not a 'free for all' RFC or similar, it needs a very specific guideline and process that works through the issues raised here, for the larger project. But then this is wikipedia, anything could happen. JarrahTree 02:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lots of discussion, but no concrete proposals (which is not inherently a bad thing!). What should happen to the category?
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- Delete, I hadn't formally voted yet, but as noticed the category is problematic, and one can also navigate between the articles via Category:Aboriginal peoples of Queensland. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Autistic LGBT people
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Category:Autistic LGBT people
Category:People on the autism spectrum
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:People on the autism spectrum to Category:Autistic people or People with autism
- Nominator's rationale:
The main article was moved and also based on this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 00:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current name strikes an acceptable compromise between person-first or identity first language that neither of proposed renames addresses.[10][11][12][13] Furthermore, the main article was moved to Autism, which doesn't solve the problem for people on the spectrum. Mason (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also relevant are the two CFDs for this category. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 22#Category:People with Asperger syndrome/on the autism spectrum and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 31#Category:People on the autism spectrum Mason (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Autism has been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, this is really a WP:COMMONNAME type of discussion. I think "people on the autism spectrum" has become the common name by now but I would welcome if someone would come up with relevant statistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose:"on the autism spectrum" is terminology that has significant support amongst autistic people themselves [14] and is at the very least terminology that few people hate.[15] The preference for identity-first language is not as uniform as it's made out to be, and "on the autism spectrum" represents a fairly non-controversial compromise. Its only drawback is that it's not as popular. In academic research, I'm assuming it's because they tend to use the full name "autism spectrum disorder". Google Scholar search results of the past 10 years yields this: "people with autism" -> 29.300 results, "autistic people" -> 16.900 results, "people on the autism spectrum" -> 5.590 results, "people with autism spectrum disorder" -> 12.200 results, "people with ASD" -> 17.000 results. On Google Trends, "autistic people" has overtaken "people with autism", and "people on the autism spectrum" ranks far beneath both of them.[16]
- Based on popularity (academic and common) and the fact that there is support among autistic people, I'm not completely opposed to changing it to "autistic people", but said support is far from uniform so I'm hesitant about a hard line stance. TheZoodles (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- Oppose per Mason. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hospitals in Dharwad
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- The result of the discussion was: soft merge/rename as nominated; unopposed for over three weeks. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Hospitals in Dharwad to Category:Hospitals in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Hindu temples in Dharwad to Category:Hindu temples in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Dharwad to Category:Buildings and structures in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Engineering colleges in Dharwad to Category:Engineering colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Medical colleges in Dharwad to Category:Medical colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Universities and colleges in Dharwad to Category:Universities and colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Education in Dharwad to Category:Education in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Neighbourhoods in Dharwad to Category:Neighbourhoods in Hubli–Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Dharwad to Category:Hubli–Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Government of Dharwad to Category:Local government in Karnataka
- Propose deleting Category:Geography of Dharwad (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Roads in Dharwad to Category:Roads in Dharwad district
- Propose renaming Category:Road transport in Dharwad to Category:Road transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Rail transport in Dharwad to Category:Rail transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Transport in Dharwad to Category:Transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are one half of a twin city Hubli-Dharwad. The cities have a single municipal corporation called Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation. (It's like the Twin-Cities Minnesota). Almost all of these categories were made by now blocked sock puppet. Mason (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as this is will impact a lot of categories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Body horror video games
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Category:Body horror video games
Category:Former Jewish agricultural colonies of Podolia Governorate
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge for now, only one article in the category is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; duplicate category for Category:United States religion and belief navigational boxes. The only template in it is already in Category:Jews and Judaism in the United States navigational boxes. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Category for the Template:Synagogues in the United States has been moved from Category:United States religion navigational boxes to Category:United States religion and belief navigational boxes.; enagling deletion of the religion category in favour of the religion and beliefs category. Rangasyd (talk) 12:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, although Template:Synagogues in the United States wouldn't need to be put into Category:United States religion and belief navigational boxes since it's already in Category:Jews and Judaism in the United States navigational boxes, which is a subcategory of Category:United States religion and belief navigational boxes. Relinus (talk) 19:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 16:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz, I believe Rangasyd, acting in good faith, removed the only content of the category. I've added it back. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Converts from atheism or agnosticism
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Category:Converts from atheism or agnosticism
Video games by language
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Spanish-language-only video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Czech-language-only video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Portuguese-language-only video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Arabic-language-only video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Video games using Mohawk dialogue (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, this whole thing video game language category is just a big mess. These categories are tied to three previous Cfd - here, here, and here - where the nominator is behaving oddly. They nominated it but the began to oppose it the moment people voted delete, saying they would withdraw it but never did and instead created more categories. I don't know what is going on. These are the rest of the categories which weren't nominated. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, largely overlapping with country(countries) of development for which we already have categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." These are diffing and categorize video games in a certain way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The Portuguese- and Arabic-language-only categories have been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 20:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Arabic has been emptied since i couldn't find anything that actually work (and I don't want to anyway). QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close. I'm impatient. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- CFD discussions can take a while to close. They are not on as much of a schedule as AFDs. Liz Read! Talk! 18:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom and others. To QuantumFoam, please familiarize yourself with category policy or it may lead to a block. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Beauty pageant controversies
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 24#Category:Beauty pageant controversies
Category:Central Greece
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Category:Central Greece
Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture
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- The result of the discussion was: Alt merge * Pppery * it has begun... 03:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture to Category:Farmers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection with occupation. Mason (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, then to Category:Organic farmers instead, and perhaps also to Category:Sustainability advocates. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- The changed merge targets sound good to me. Mason (talk) 21:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former atheist critics of atheism
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. All articles are already in subcategories of both merge targets. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Former atheist critics of atheism to Category:Former atheists and agnostics and Category:Critics of atheism
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this narrow intersection. Also, it's unclear from the name if this is supposed to be former critics of atheism or former atheists. Mason (talk) 03:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Critics of atheism because all articles are already in a subcategory of Category:Converts from atheism or agnosticism. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also, except Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the articles are already in Category:American critics of atheism and Category:British critics of atheism. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Are you also going to merge Category:Former Muslim critics of Islam into Category:Former Muslims and Category:Critics of Islam? It seems like the same logic would apply to both, so the decision should be made together. Relinus (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. I'm not sure yet whether we should split, but if we do, then both categories. NLeeuw (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 8
Category:Fox Sports 1 people
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Category:SIA-Class Anti-war articles
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Template:WikiProject Anti-war does not use a custom quality format or whatever it’s called so this category is useless. 48JCL TALK 19:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Video games by language
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The reason why I'm deleting these categories are only for video games supported in a single language, and none of these categories are fully-populated either. More importantly many titles only available in a single language can alternatively be found in Category:Region-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: I changed my mind, I am keeping other categories still, but may need something else to do. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There are several multiregional languages, such as English, French (France, Canada, French Africa, French Polynesia, French Caribbean), Portuguese (Brazil, Portugal, Macao), Spanish (Spain, Latin America, Philippines), Russian (North Asia, Central Asia, Europe), Arabic (North Africa, West Asia, East Africa, Central Asia, Islamic World), Hebrew (Jewish World) -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, this is a container category. Its fate is conditional on what happens with the subcategories, which have also been nominated on this page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Video games by language.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 18:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. What will we do will other the other Categoires. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:NONDEF. You cannot take back a nomination once others have voted otherwise, that would be a WP:SUPERVOTE withdrawal. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:English-language-only video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I am deleting this category along with other Video games by language categories, (expect Chinese-language-only video games, which will merge with China-exclusive video games). Reason: Many English-only titles are otherwise located in Category:North-America-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this category can still stay anyway. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Australia is not a multilingual region, indigenously developed games would be in English, same with New Zealand. Both are not in North America. Elon Musk's game Blastar was developed in South Africa in English only. So English isn't a language that is restricted to North America. Many games for the Acorn or the BBC were developed only in English and were mostly released in Britain and Australia -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 18:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, largely overlapping with country(countries) of development for which we already have categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close. I will also NOT rename the category to the new name. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Chinese-language-only video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Chinese-language-only video games to Category:China-exclusive video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some of these titles may be available be it digitally or physically outside of China. But I don't follow that logic. Merge. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete, strong oppose merger You can’t just say “I don’t follow that logic, must be deleted” and expect it to work. But yes delete. 48JCL TALK 19:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This merger makes no sense. Taiwan exists. There have been vidoegames that were made for Taiwan or Hong Kong (pre-1997) that were only in Chinese. If this is properly populated, it should not contain just PRC-exclusive games. -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 06:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I suppose I will withdraw my will the delete this category because of that logic. While Japanese, English, get deleted for some other reasons. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with parent (below) — Insufficiently specified. Which language? Mandarin? Cantonese?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose: "Chinese-language" here refers to the Chinese language as a whole, including all variations of Chinese such as Cantonese. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Written Chinese is the ostensibly the same, so if there is no spoken Chinese, then it's just Chinese -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 18:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per WP:NONDEF Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEF Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, largely overlapping with country of development for which we already have categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close. I will also NOT rename the category to the new name. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. But will Rename parent cat to "Single-language video games." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Billionaires of African descent
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 06:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Categorization by non-defining characteristics should be avoided. The combination of being a billionaire and being of African descent is non-defining. Aldij (talk) 12:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, trivial intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep We have Black billionaires and there are dozens of articles about this intersection. Per WP:EGRS, "At all times, the bottom line remains can a valid, encyclopedic main article be written for this grouping?"--User:Namiba 14:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is a pretty poor article, only one source covering the grouping of black billionaires [17]. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's true, but there are many articles about this topic visible from a quick Google search.--User:Namiba 18:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 18:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep. The intersection isn't trivial there's a long academic interest in economic inequality in the African American community. Billionaires are a good indicator of progress in that regard because it indicates that African Americans have made progress and can break into the elite. If not kept, the categories should be merged, not deleted. Mason (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 19:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Articles citing retracted publications
- Propose renaming Category:Articles citing retracted publications (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Articles intentionally citing retracted publications
- Nominator's rationale: (I am coming here from the recent Signpost article about RetractionBot.)
Category:Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications is for articles which have been tagged as {{retracted}}
by RetractionBot, with no additional parameters. These might be intentional: we don't know until a human comes along to verify. Equally, they also might be unintentional, in which case they need fixing. Therefore, {{retracted}}
should use the "neutral" category name which makes no assumptions on the intentionality of the citation (i.e. Category:Articles citing retracted publications). To accommodate the move, Category:Articles citing retracted publications (which currently holds articles containing {{retracted|intentional=yes}}
) should be moved to the more specific Category:Articles intentionally citing retracted publications. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Articles citing retractions is the general category containing reviewed articles (unreviewed being the subcategory). Articles unintentionally citing all retractions are those that need human review. This name scheme matches all other similar categories Category:Articles citing publications with errata and Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with errata, as well as Category:Articles citing publications with expressions of concern and Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with expressions of concern. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would argue that those should be renamed, too. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Articles citing retractions is the general category containing reviewed articles (unreviewed being the subcategory). Articles unintentionally citing all retractions are those that need human review. This name scheme matches all other similar categories Category:Articles citing publications with errata and Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with errata, as well as Category:Articles citing publications with expressions of concern and Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with expressions of concern. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Articles citing retracted publications. We cannot discern intent, and it doesn't matter here. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- We can clearly discern intent, and it absolutely matters. Intentionally cited retractions have been reviewed by humans as appropriate to cite for the context, e.g. [18]. Articles with unintentionally cited retracted papers need review and very likely an update of the content based on a retracted paper, e.g. [19]. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- +1 that it absolutely matters. Citing doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(97)11096-0 (the infamous Lancet MMR autism fraud paper) is fine if you are citing it as a primary source (with the usual caveats about citing primary sources), but citing it as a legitimate piece of research absolutely needs to be checked. This is a tracking category; intent is determined by
|intentional=
parameter. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- +1 that it absolutely matters. Citing doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(97)11096-0 (the infamous Lancet MMR autism fraud paper) is fine if you are citing it as a primary source (with the usual caveats about citing primary sources), but citing it as a legitimate piece of research absolutely needs to be checked. This is a tracking category; intent is determined by
- We can clearly discern intent, and it absolutely matters. Intentionally cited retractions have been reviewed by humans as appropriate to cite for the context, e.g. [18]. Articles with unintentionally cited retracted papers need review and very likely an update of the content based on a retracted paper, e.g. [19]. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - as the botop here that's inconveniently finding stuff to go into this category, it is absolutely important to distinguish which categories have been tagged and which have been checked. I'm not going to guess if the tag I've just applied is intentional or now. Happy with the renaming proposal as long as it's kept consistant with all 3 of the template types, this won't affect the bot as long as it's done in the template correctly. Mdann52 (talk) 13:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mdann52: you wrote "Happy with the renaming proposal" which I think overrides your first word "Keep" – did you just mean "Keep them separate", rather than "Keep current names"? – Fayenatic London 07:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)w
- @Fayenatic london: thanks for checking. Essentially, if this is just nominating one category, we should keep this as is. If we are changing the naming convention of all 3 categories, then I'm happy to support that. Mdann52 (talk) 10:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mdann52: you wrote "Happy with the renaming proposal" which I think overrides your first word "Keep" – did you just mean "Keep them separate", rather than "Keep current names"? – Fayenatic London 07:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)w
- @HouseBlaster: Would Category:Articles citing retracted publications awaiting review be better for the unreviewed cases? (or "Articles awaiting review for citing retracted publications", but that precision is probably unnecessary.) – Fayenatic London 07:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- The categories are fine as is, let's close this pointless nitpicking. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- That would work for me. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Teen Titans Go! (TV series) images
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 14:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Teen Titans Go! (TV series) images to Category:Teen Titans Go! images
- Nominator's rationale: The same thing for Category:Teen Titans Go! and Category:Teen Titans Go! episode redirects to lists, to match the same title for the Teen Titans Go! article. ApuNahasapeemapetilon1989 (talk) 16:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think this could be a WP:C2D. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per C2D. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional female mechanics
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- The result of the discussion was: merge HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional female mechanics to Category:Fictional mechanics
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see any reason to split this by gender. There's only 10 articles in it, so there's no reason based on size. I don't really think being a female really matters with me mechanics. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- If this is kept, it should become a {{non-diffusing subcategory}}, per WP:GHETTO. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Marcocapelle. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- If this is kept, it should become a {{non-diffusing subcategory}}, per WP:GHETTO. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Nepali language movement activists
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Nepali language movement activists to Category:Nepali language activists
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. Rervse merge also fine by me Mason (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- They are not exactly overlapping, one is a category of Indian people, the other of Nepalese people. The former is related to the Nepali language movement which was a movement specifically in India. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Women conservationists
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Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome
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Category:Films with scents
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Indian writers by language
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Fooian-language novelists and purge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Bengali novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali novelists and Category:Bengali-language novelists
- Propose splitting Category:Malayalam novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Malayali novelists and Category:Malayalam-language novelists
- Propose splitting Category:Marathi novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Marathi novelists and Category:Marathi-language novelists
- Propose splitting Category:Odia novelists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Odia novelists and Category:Odia-language novelists
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of the category nominated in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_27#Category:Indian_novelists_by_language; seems to juxtapose ethnicity and language, having the naming convention of the former but parent categories more appropriate for the latter. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- A split would lead to pairs of categories with almost 100% overlap. Shouldn't we just rename the categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming?
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- @LaundryPizza03: what do you think about renaming? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: By language or by ethnicity? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: renaming to language. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't care whether we rename to language or ethnicity, as long as your intent is clear. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: renaming to language. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Historical geography
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Category:People from Kinda Municipality,
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 08:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People from Kinda Municipality, to Category:People from Kinda Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure of the reason why this was created, but it looks like a duplicate. Solidest (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:C2A. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. Duplicate. ExRat (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy merge per C2A, obvious typo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Historical geography of Fars
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is either for Fars (territory) or Fars province which is why title clarity is important. Gonnym (talk) 11:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in the tree of Category:History of Fars Province if applicable (to be speedily renamed to Category:History of Fars province). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:S.L. Benfica (table tennis)
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Category:UCLA Extension alumni
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:UCLA Extension alumni to Category:University of California, Los Angeles alumni
- Propose merging Category:Harvard Extension School alumni to Category:Harvard University alumni added on 23:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:La Salle Extension University alumni to Category:La Salle University alumni added on 23:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This distinction for people who attended the extension school seems like an arbitrary distinction and is likely not defining for any of the two members in the category Mason (talk) 01:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. While you are right that there are other extension schools, this is the only one with a category and there doesn't seem to be a big difference between normal alumni and extension school alumni. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've added to nom per @Omnis Scientia, pinging @FieldMarine. No one is saying that the extension school isn't notable, but that the distinction isn't defining for alumns. For example, Folks aren't introduced as UCLA Extension alumn, but they are as UCLA law school alumn. Mason (talk) 23:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Like at UCLA, the Harvard Extension School is one of the oldest colleges at Harvard University and it is distinct, with its own graduation exercises. With respect to, "Folks aren’t introduced as…", a Google search of, "Graduated from Harvard Extension School" shows people are frequently "introduced" with that distinction. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, at least Harvard's. HES has separate degrees (ALB, ALM which aren't earned at other schools at Harvard), commencement ceremony, etc. for the extension school like the rest of the schools. There are unique classes at HES, that aren't offered at other schools. If UCLA, LaSalle, and any others are more like Harvard, keep them separate as well. Patken4 (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is an interesting case. A WP:OTHERCATSEXIST argument was resolved by adding the other categories to the nomination, which seems to have produced a small WP:TRAINWRECK. I am going to relist (though I was about to close this as no consensus without prejudice against seperate but simultaneous nominations); comments are welcome, though I suspect that this is heading to a no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination result.
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- Keep La Salle no opinion on the others. La Salle Extension University was a private distance learning university and a very different institution from La Salle University. The two only shared part of a name. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Protesters
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 08:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Protesters to Category:Activists
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. Mason (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We don't have a Category:Massacres of activists or even Category:Murder of activists. Dimadick (talk) 05:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Buddhist monks from the Western Regions
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Category:Convicted participants in the Canada convoy protest
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. There's only one person in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split / dual merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split per nom. Partofthemachine (talk) 03:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Illeists
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 08:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Trivial association, non-defining. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this may be added as a perfect example in WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the characteristic is defining enough to be covered by and discussed in reliable sources (often a multitude of reliable sources, such as for Zlatan Ibrahimović and Donald Trump). Besides, there is a body of scientific research on the various contexts and psychological meaning of illeism (see section "In everyday speech" in article Illeism). --HPfan4 (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep There are available sources, so it is not trivial. Dimadick (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Works by year
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- The result of the discussion was: merge, also deleting Category:520s works and Category:390s works which would be isolated. – Fayenatic London 11:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:390 works to Category:390
- Propose merging Category:394 works to Category:394
- Propose merging Category:525 works to Category:525 and Category:6th-century works
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. The two first categories do not need another merge target, the articles are already in a subcategory of Category:4th-century works. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Merge One article each. For most works of this era, we do not even know the precise date of publication or creation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rulers of Chiang Mai
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Category:Tambralinga
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only the eponymous article and a subcategory. Move the eponymous article to Category:History of Nakhon Si Thammarat. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ming dynasty overseer of rituals
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 05:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The characteristic appears to be a highly important ministerial post, overseeing the Court of Imperial Sacrifices under the Ministry of Rites. The linked zh:Category:明朝太常寺卿 (Category: Ming Dynasty Taichang Temple Ministers) and its 3 subcats hold over 200 biographies. However, if Huang Zicheng is the only one with an English wiki article, the category is not currently useful for navigation, so it can be deleted for now. Can anyone put together a PetScan to check if any more of the Chinese wiki articles have an English counterpart? – Fayenatic London 17:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crossover characters in television
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I highly doubt this could be considered WP:DEFINING for a majority of these characters. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete Based on the description, it is likely to be WP:OCTRIVIA:
This category is for characters in television who have made crossover appearances within other shows that are not their own.
One appearance of a character does not make a defining trait. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Based on the description, it is likely to be WP:OCTRIVIA:
- Delete. Given the large extent of Category:Crossover television, this would be much larger if fully populated, and would then be unlikely to be useful for navigation. In contrast, I would keep Category:Television crossover episodes. – Fayenatic London 08:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: {{Infobox soap character}} has a "crossover" parameter for recording crossover series in the article's infobox, so I considered whether this info could be traced using that. However, {{Infobox character}} (which is used on many of the member pages) does not have that parameter. – Fayenatic London 08:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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East Bengal
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:1940s in East Pakistan to Category:1940s in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1940s establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1940s establishments in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1947 in East Pakistan to Category:1947 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1947 establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1947 establishments in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1948 in East Pakistan to Category:1948 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1948 establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1948 establishments in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1949 in East Pakistan to Category:1949 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1950 in East Pakistan to Category:1950 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1950 establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1950 establishments in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1951 in East Pakistan to Category:1951 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1951 establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1951 establishments in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1952 in East Pakistan to Category:1952 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1952 establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1952 establishments in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1953 in East Pakistan to Category:1953 in East Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:1953 establishments in East Pakistan to Category:1953 establishments in East Bengal
- Nominator's rationale: rename, until 1955 the name of East Pakistan was East Bengal. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Indirect WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- For your information, the category Category:East Bengal was merged into Category:East Pakistan and that's why WP:C2C makes sense here. Mehedi Abedin (talk) 10:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, we had discussions about the category Category:East Bengal. You proposed to merge it into Category:East Pakistan (see here) saying they were actually same thing. The consensus was to merge the category. That's why these establishment categories are East Pakistan, not East Bengal. Now saying we have to rename them because it was East Bengal is contradictory because in 2022 you proposed the opposite showing different reason. If you want to rename establishment categories then I propose you to discuss to bring back East Bengal category first. Mehedi Abedin (talk) 10:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- We do not need separate trees just because of a name change, but the individual year categories should be named accurately. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and redirect, tagging with {{R from category navigation}}. We usually avoid anachronisms at the lowest level. Using redirects will facilitate links using {{category series navigation}}. Also redirect Category:1950s in East Bengal to Category:1950s in East Pakistan and Category:1950s establishments in East Bengal to Category:1950s establishments in East Pakistan, tagging with {{R from template-generated category}}. – Fayenatic London 13:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Meitei goddesses
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Category:Polio in Pakistan
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure how helpful this is for navigation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic except for the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The attacks seem to be connected to Islamist extremist opposition polio vaccination in Pakistan, although this is not explicitly stated in either of those articles. Maybe the attack articles should be linked to from the main article? Other than that, not very useful for navigation, so I also lean delete. NLeeuw (talk) 05:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, I've added the main article link in "See also" of both pages. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good move. Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 08:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, I've added the main article link in "See also" of both pages. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Old style serif typefaces
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June 7
Category:Bermudian centenarians
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; both articles are already in appropriate categories so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Manx centenarians
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; only one article which is actually about a woman born on the Isle of Mann to an American citizen and who moved to America soon after. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Guernsey centenarians
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Guernsey centenarians to Category:British centenarians
- Nominator's rationale: Only one article which is already in subcats of Category:Guernsey people. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Philadelphian cricket tours of England
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow category, do we really need a category for only tours from a single city in the united states? Mason (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former Christian creationists
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Former Christian creationists to Category:Christian creationists
- Propose merging Category:Former theistic evolutionists to Category:Theistic evolutionists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge, narrow intersection. There's no Category:Former evolutionists or Category:Former creationists Mason (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, then just delete instead of merge. The proposed merge targets are not defining characteristic of these people. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete per Marcocapelle. NLeeuw (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I think Marcocapelle is right. – Fayenatic London 13:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tracker musicians
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock!
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Category:Why Do Fools Fall in Love (song)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There are no categories for specific song titles nor should there be. Something like this could lead to a glut of overcategorization of other titles that could include a film named after the song, or any album that contains a cover version. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Greetings Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars
- I see. Also, I know it does not have to do with this, but why does “Gangnam Style” article has its eponymous category although it’s a single?
- best regards,
- Inajd Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 21:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Inajd0101 it appears you've misunderstood the purpose of categories. The way you've made it, Category:Why Do Fools Fall in Love (song) functions more like Why Do Fools Fall in Love (a disambiguation page). The purpose of categories is navigation between subjects connected by common defining traits, while disambiguation is for like-named articles. I support deletion. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah,
- Now I know now. Thanks, QuietHere. I agree with you. And excuse me for the inconvenience. Well, I did my best not to screw up. 😔
- Best regards,
- Inajd Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- "The purpose of categories is navigation between subjects connected by common defining traits"
- @QuietHere Just curious my friend, and I'm not trying to be nosy or sound condescending, but what do you mean by common defining traits? I'm learning. Thanks!
- Best regards,
- Inajd. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Inajd0101 per CATDEF, "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place. For example, Italian and artist are defining characteristics of Caravaggio, and so of the article on him, because virtually all reliable sources on the topic mention them." DEFINING also has more details. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @QuietHere Fair enough. I understand that by then. Thanks! And just to let you know, AGAIN, I do my best to learn about Wikipedia although not all of them because it's not my lifestyle (although it might not be an excuse to you). And any of my works at Wikipedia is usually based on Frankie Lymon and his songs, such as "I'm Not a Juvenile Delinquent" and any articles related to him which I am passionate of learning about it. And @QuietHere, excuse me for adding categories without asking. I was so eager to see how it works, but I misinterpreted the purpose of categories. I should stick to editing most of my part on Wikipedia. And I wouldn't mind if you don't care about my passion regarding Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers and their songs.
- Best regards,
- Inajd. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Inajd0101 to be clear, nobody is blaming you for this. You made a simple mistake and it's being taken care of. I think I can speak on behalf of any editor when I say I'm glad that you're willing to learn, even if there are bumps in the road. Heck, any other editor could tell you about plenty of bumps in the road they dealt with. I know I certainly had my fair share (some more recent than I'd like to admit). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @QuietHere
- Oh and plus, I wouldn't mind if you wouldn't care about Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers and their songs, especially of how I'm passionate about them. You and @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars are just probably paid to do the job and nothing else. Anyways, thanks!
- Best regards,
- Inajd. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- And also, it's never my intention to make assumptions for others to feel bad. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just to be clear Wikipedia is totally WP:VOLUNTEER, nobody is meant to be "paid" to do anything besides the Wikimedia Foundation that operates the site. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- All right, fair enough. Not paid. I would assume the majority of people here are passionate about Wikipedia, or journalism, and nothing else, especially when it has to do with me being passionate about Frankie Lymon and his songs, especially “I’m Not a Juvenile Delinquent,” et cetera. But thanks!
- Best regards,
- Inajd. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 06:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just to be clear Wikipedia is totally WP:VOLUNTEER, nobody is meant to be "paid" to do anything besides the Wikimedia Foundation that operates the site. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- And also, it's never my intention to make assumptions for others to feel bad. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Inajd0101 to be clear, nobody is blaming you for this. You made a simple mistake and it's being taken care of. I think I can speak on behalf of any editor when I say I'm glad that you're willing to learn, even if there are bumps in the road. Heck, any other editor could tell you about plenty of bumps in the road they dealt with. I know I certainly had my fair share (some more recent than I'd like to admit). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Inajd0101 per CATDEF, "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place. For example, Italian and artist are defining characteristics of Caravaggio, and so of the article on him, because virtually all reliable sources on the topic mention them." DEFINING also has more details. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Inajd0101 it appears you've misunderstood the purpose of categories. The way you've made it, Category:Why Do Fools Fall in Love (song) functions more like Why Do Fools Fall in Love (a disambiguation page). The purpose of categories is navigation between subjects connected by common defining traits, while disambiguation is for like-named articles. I support deletion. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination: I misunderstood the purpose of categories. And now I know why QuietHere explained to me earlier. Also, excuse me for the inconvenience I made. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 22:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:SHAREDNAME, as they don't otherwise appear to be related. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Why Do Fools Fall in Love (film)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: All the entries for this category are songs from the film. Alternatively, upmerge to Category:Songs written for films. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 21:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nomination + WP:C2C given the rest of Category:Songs written for films' subcats. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nomination: I misunderstood the purpose of categories. And now I know why QuietHere explained to me earlier. Also, excuse me for the inconvenience I made. I did my best although not much of a Wikipedia (which I use it for the research I am willing to make regarding Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers). Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 22:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Per nom and C2C, though this could have been a speedy rename. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Film posters by country
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History of Chiang Mai
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:19th century in Chiang Mai to Category:History of Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:1920s in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:1960s in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:1970s in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:1990s in Chiang Mai
- Propose merging Category:1996 in Chiang Mai to Category:History of Chiang Mai
- Propose merging Category:1997 in Chiang Mai to Category:History of Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:2000s in Chiang Mai
- Propose merging Category:2009 in Chiang Mai to Category:History of Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:2010s in Chiang Mai
- Propose merging Category:2013 in Chiang Mai to Category:History of Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:2019 in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:20th century in Chiang Mai (added 8 June)
- Propose deleting Category:21st century in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:Decades in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:Years in Chiang Mai
- Propose deleting Category:History of Chiang Mai by period
- Nominator's rationale: merge, they are almost all single-article categories, which is not helpful for navigation. Besides there are a number of establishments articles in this tree which do not belong directly in a year category, and they are already in an Establishments in Thailand category. So part of the nomination is merging, another part (the establishments bit) is deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete The population of Chiang Mai in the most recent census was only 127k. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the number you showed is for the population of the urban area of Chiang Mai. Whereas these categories likely refer to the Chiang Mai province that has the population of 1.79M, just saying. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 04:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The categories are named and parented as if they are for the city, not the province. – Fayenatic London 12:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the number you showed is for the population of the urban area of Chiang Mai. Whereas these categories likely refer to the Chiang Mai province that has the population of 1.79M, just saying. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 04:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete The population of Chiang Mai in the most recent census was only 127k. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I have added more parent categories that would become empty. – Fayenatic London 12:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rugrats and All Grown Up! books
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Rugrats and All Grown Up! books to Category:Rugrats (franchise)
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article. Seems to be WP:NARROWCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close per nom. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters
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Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province
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Category:American people by ethnic or national origin
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:American people by ethnicity and century
- Propose renaming Category:20th-century American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century American people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by century and ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Murdered American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Murdered American people by ethnicity
- Nominator's rationale: per actual content. Aldij (talk) 09:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, this is not about ancestors' nationality, it is rather about people's own ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Almost all of the people-by-ethnicity categories outside of the United States are called "X by ethnicity". –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:1996 Windows-only freeware games
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1996 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:1997 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:1998 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:1999 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2000 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2001 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2002 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2003 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2004 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2005 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2006 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2007 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2008 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2011 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2019 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Propose merging Category:2020 Windows-only freeware games to Category:Windows-only freeware games
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow intersection of year and type of software and obvious overcategorization. Should be merged back to where it formerly was. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not overcategorization - every yeas had around 30 games - we will have toooo many items in one page. I did not add all games to all years yet. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hundreds of items is still a normal amount for a category - some have thousands of items. Wikipedia won't crumble under the weight of a few hundred items being in a category. But if these year categorizations are kept, they should be by decade per WP:OCYEAR. Things should only be sorted by exact year when absolutely necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Only one of the three possible two-way intersections between "[released in] 2005", "Windows-only", and "freeware" actually exists. There are only 29 articles in the tree. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per LaundryPizza03. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not overcategorization - every yeas had around 30 games - we will have toooo many items in one page. I did not add all games to all years yet. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Alpha male chimpanzees
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Alpha male chimpanzees to Category:Individual chimpanzees
- Nominator's rationale: This isn't a defining category for the single non-redirect page in this category. Mason (talk) 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, only one article in the category and otherwise redirects, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Music memes
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Was previously deleted in 2022 for being non-defining to most entries, and it appears this is the case again now. In that prior discussion, Bibliomaniac15 suggested that this information was better presented in lists rather than a category, and I'm inclined to agree. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:G4. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cultural policy by country
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Cultural policy by country to Category:Cultural policy
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one country in this category. At most there's two if you want to argue that East Germany isn't nested within Germany. Mason (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The subcategories may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British women Marxists
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 15#Category:British women Marxists
Category:Relational art
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: New category containing only 2 redirects. Gjs238 (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Delete, this does not help navigation at all.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- My earlier comment is no longer applicable after the category has been populated further. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Neither entry makes mention of relational art as a subject, and the relational art article doesn't mention either entry nor their targets, leaving it entirely unclear why they are being included in the first place. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now contains 2 articles and 3 redirects. I have also added the main article, Relational art.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per QuietHere, having these articles in the category seems to be a matter of WP:OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- New additions have the same issue of not mentioning the subject as the existing ones. Perhaps that just a matter of language and these articles all just need a rewrite to clarify their relevance, or maybe even new sources that do so, but as is there's no room for inclusion. Potential OR like Marcocapelle said. My vote remains the same. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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