Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 12

Add links
Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
< June 11 June 13 >

June 12

Category:Exergames

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename to match main article of fitness game. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Literate American slaves

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 21:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A non-defining triple intersection of education level, nationality, and social status. User:Namiba 23:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- This category has a moderate population already. I would expect that literacy among slaves was relatively unusual, so that this is noteworthy. The unusual intersection is literate and slave. The parent is literacy. There might have been an intervening level for literate slaves, to be split by nationality. If not, kept rename to Category:Literate slaves, which is certainly a notable intersection, but categories of this kind are commonly split by nationality. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:02, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. That slaves were literate was unusual. That's why we don't have categories like "Literate pastors" or "Literate Bostonians". Many of these, but not all, wrote books. As for the evidence, the article on Denmark Vesey says he learned to read and write at an early age. That's enough for me. There is a reason -- evidence -- for including every name in the category. And note the fascinating -- to me -- subcategory "American slaves literate in Arabic". They didn't learn Arabic in the United States, so a conclusion cannot be avoided: literate Africans were being captured and sold. deisenbe (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, most of these people were born in the latest period of slavery and notable (e.g. for writing) as free people. One may expect that many free people were literate. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (voted above) -- If the category contains people who because literate after emancipation, they do not belong in the category, but possibly to a sibling category. We are talking about literate slaves; surely a rare achievement. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A rare trait in a society that systematically banned literacy. Dimadick (talk) 13:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete if they were writers (like Frederick Douglass) than they would go in a writer category. If there being able to read was not defining to their life, than we should not categorize by it. Not every thing that can be mentioned in an article is worth creating a category of, and I do not think this is worth creating a seperate category for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: procedural close. This proposal places the burden of figuring out how to proceed on the closer which, given the current backlog, cannot be actioned. Additionally, some renaming processes seem to be happening in parallel. (non-admin closure) JBchrch talk 21:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not wanting to do this individually, and still somewhat unsure of how to use to protocols for Twinkle.

Also not sure of the standardized procedure for Categories when an institution changes their name, but Dixie State University is now Utah Tech University and the Dixie State Trailblazers are now the Utah Tech Trailblazers and all of the categories related should be renamed as such.[1]

Notably, this *should* be the last major name change for a while, after YEARS of name changes, nickname, and mascot, color changes.

As shown, the previous name changes have reflected growth (Jc to 4 year, university status etc.) but this is essentially the first that finally eliminated the name "Dixie." It was controversial and a 10-30+ year process/argument over the word "Dixie" and confederate symbology, but with the Utah State Legislature finally making the call in November 2021 (official name of Utah Tech University announced then)[2]. Millions spent, the name change was put into effect in May 2022. (While July 1st is often referenced, it only coordinates to the fiscal year rollover for universities in Utah, meaning the "Legal" name change happens then. ALL materials, social media, athletic and academic recruiting etc. is happening under the new name[3]. They are unlikely to change anytime soon. This will be the first logical move since Wikipedia was created for many, while some may have been updated with "University" in 2013, and trailblazers in 2016)

Names: St. George Stake Academy (1911) Dixie Academy(1913) Dixie Normal College (1916), Dixie Junior College (1923) Dixie College (1970) Dixie State College of Utah (2001) Dixie State University (2013). Utah Tech University (2022)[4].

Nickname(often confused with Mascot): Rebels (1954) Red Storm (2009) and Trailblazers (2016)[5]

Mascots: Rodney the Rebel (1954, a confederate soldier) "Big D" (2009, a bull) Brooks The Bison (2016)[6]


Category:Dixie State University Category:Dixie State University alumni Category:Dixie State University faculty Category:Dixie State University people

While they have played under many names, none of the other names/mascots are reflected in categories, so all should be moved to current usage categories, while individual pages can specify if they went to (Dixie Junior College) etc. If necessary.

LikeGrantTookRichmond (talk) 21:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Procedural objection, pending changes to this nomination because (a) OP never stated explicitly how each single category should be named, (b) not all of these will follow the same naming convention... the athletic category would go by "Utah Tech Trailblazers FOO" while the school cats would be the full-blown "Utah Tech University FOO", and (c) none except for the alumni category were tagged for discussion, and even that one was mislabeled as "Alumni" rather than "alumni". As an aside, OP provided WAY too much information about the school's history which is confusing the hell out of this nom, we only need to know that the current name is now in effect. SportsGuy789 (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (a)You are correct, on naming conventions essentially, in all categories regardless of the title of the category, anywhere "Dixie State" is within the title, "Utah Tech" would replace it per this nom.
    (b)Well, better too much than too little. Previous moves and edits by others (and myself) have got some people wanting justification (because it's a university name.) Regardless, if too long winded, my apologies.
    (c)it was my understanding that the individuals articles shouldn't use the tag for discussion, when proposing a large bulk request, if it makes sense (which i'm still not sure it does) I can tag those.
    (d)Other than procedural objections, this is a good faith nomination I believe is worthy to be considered on it's merits. LikeGrantTookRichmond (talk) 00:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @LikeGrantTookRichmond: it is a good faith nomination indeed, but it will not be processed when you do not list your proposal properly (see plenty of examples on this page) and if you do not tag all categories that you are nominating. Also, removing some text from your rationale may well help getting more reactions on the merits of the proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:19th-century male conductors (music)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:19th-century conductors (music) and Category:19th-century male musicians. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Looking at the parent category, there are simply not enough articles which fall in one but not the other to justify two separate categories (I count barely half-a-dozen: 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7). It thus makes very little if any sense to have two categories, which are both included on nearly all affected articles, but which are in effect redundant. Thus we should get rid of this per WP:OVERLAPCAT and merge back the few entries that are not in the parent. The other solution, which would be to separate the parent by gender; would fall afoul of WP:SMALLCAT as the category for women would only have very few entries with very little potential for growth. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:11th-century Roman Catholic archbishops in Germany

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge. – Fayenatic London 23:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Germany did not exist as a state in the 11th century. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:French mission settlements in North America

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 29#Category:French mission settlements in North America

Category:Kingdom of Denmark

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While this is C2D, I'd like to see if there are arguments against moving it to match the main article Danish Realm (which Kingdom of Denmark redirects to). Gonnym (talk) 14:03, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Binhai Mass Transit

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: companies merged in 2017 ZandDev (msg) 13:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Azerbaijani descent

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge excluding Armenian and Georgian. – Fayenatic London 06:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge and remove headers, according to the headers the nominated categories are used for full Azerbaijani descent while the target categories are supposedly for people of partial Azerbaijani descent. But nowhere else we have a distinction between full and partial descent. The distinction would not make much sense either, ultimately all descent is partial. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the change regarding Armenian Azerbaijanis and Georgian Azerbaijanis as both Georgia and Armenia have indigenous Azerbaijani populations. Neutral on the rest. (t · c) buidhe 01:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The big question is going to be if an Zerbaijani person moved or was born in the Ukrainian SSR in 1027 and died in 1989, would they fit as Category:Ukrainian Azerbaijanis, or do we limit these categories to people who did signifcant things after 1991, and so they would go in Category:Soviet Azerbaijanis? If you think my hypothetical person could go in any of these categories if they lived in the applicable place in the applicable time, than we should keep these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only after the pogroms drove out the Armenians in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union. You are trying to impose a system developed for European ethnic groups that had migrated to the Americas on the Caucuses, and it just does not work the same way in that situation. You are also ignoring what I actually said. A Ukrainian Azerbaijani who dies in 1989 would have never lived in a seperate nation than where he lived. The current categories are much better for the things than what you are proposing to change it to.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposee Since for various reasons people are going to apply these categories during times when all these places were all part of one nation-state, the people cannot be emigrants or expatriates so these are legitimate ways to describe such people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:57, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment in the Caucasus, ethnicity and nationality is complicated. We had a series of noms some years ago which changed most to the target format. I do not think that whether a person is wholly or half or quarter of an ethnicity makes a difference, as a person can have multiple descent categories, but we need to be careful that we do not imply that a person came from a current country where neither he nor any ancestor lived (which can apply to Armenians) I am not sure how far it applies to Azeris. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 13:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Podcast miniseries

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete - jc37 10:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Every other category in Category:Podcasts by format and Category:Podcasts by genre uses the format "<format or genre> podcasts". TipsyElephant (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Unsure at the moment, but I will say that the term "miniseries" would fall more in line with an intended publication/release method than a format of the show content itself. E.g. Category:Television miniseries could refer to a documentary series, a scripted series, an investigative report. I'm unsure about the inclusion criteria as well. Is there a threshold number of episodes that pushes a show from a regular podcast into a mini? Do the shows typically identify themselves as limited/mini? With television limited/miniseries and Category:Comic book limited series, they are typically advertised as such. -2pou (talk) 17:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @2pou: I put Category:Podcast miniseries within Category:Podcasts by format because it seemed more like a format than a genre. We could potentially create another parent category called Category:Podcasts by release type, but I think for now that might be excessive because I can't think of many other release types. Maybe Category:Weekly podcasts, Category:Monthly podcasts, Category:Single release date podcasts, or something along those lines, but again that seems potentially excessive? As far as the criteria goes, I generally feel comfortable including things in categories if I can find reliable secondary sources that refer to them as such or if I'm certain they would meet the definition of the category. In this case, I would include a podcast in the category if the podcast had a planned start and end date (not because the show was unexpectedly cut short) with roughly a dozen episodes that make up a single season (maybe more if reliable secondary sources still refer to it as a miniseries). For instance, Floodlines has eight episodes in one season, S-Town has seven episodes in one season, Timber Wars has twelve episodes in one season, The Realness (podcast) has six episodes in one season, and Boomtown (podcast) has twelve episodes in one season. There are sources that use the terms "miniseries podcasts" and "limited series podcasts", but as usual the sourcing for podcast related topics are sparse. For instance, the Webby Awards has a category for best limited series podcasts and the Ambies at least acknowledges the existence of miniseries podcasts in their rules.[7][8] Discover Pods, ScreenRant, and Image.ie have all published listicles of podcast miniseries or limited series.[9][10][11] The podcast platforms Player.fm and Podyssey.fm both have categories for limited series podcasts and there are more platforms with lists like these, but I'm unsure whether they are user-generated.[12][13] I'm sure there are some more sources out there, but this is what I've found so far and I think it's enough to warrant a category. As far as the naming convention goes, I would expect the category to follow the same conventions as the rest of the podcast specific categories. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Dixie no more: Utah Tech University unveils new branding". KUER. 2022-05-16. Retrieved 2022-06-12.
  2. ^ "With a stroke of Utah Gov. Spencer Cox's pen, Dixie State became Utah Tech University". Deseret News. 2021-11-13. Retrieved 2022-06-12.
  3. ^ Utah Tech University (2022). "Utah Tech University "DIXIE STATE UNIVERSITY NAME PROCESS"". Utah Tech University. Retrieved 2022-06-12.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  4. ^ Stefanich, Logan; May 15, KSL com | Posted-; A.m, 2022 at 11:11. "Utah Tech University rebranding itself after ditching 'Dixie' name — here's the new look". www.ksl.com. Retrieved 2022-06-12.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  5. ^ Utah Tech University (2016). "DIXIE STATE UNIVERSITY NOW HOME OF THE TRAILBLAZERS:DSU announces Trailblazers as new athletic identity, Brooks the Bison as mascot". Utah Tech University. Retrieved June 12, 2022.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  6. ^ ""Brooks the Bison" to Make His Debut Thursday Night". Dixie State University Athletics. Retrieved 2022-06-12.
  7. ^ "Best Limited Series Podcasts". Webby Awards.
  8. ^ "Rules and Timeline". Ambies. Any ongoing podcast can enter, and any miniseries podcast can enter so long as they published episodes in 2021.
  9. ^ Aldrich, Ryland (January 14, 2019). "Top 10 Limited Series Documentary Podcasts of 2018". Discover Pods.
  10. ^ Hicks, Linden (May 6, 2022). "The 10 Best Podcast Miniseries, According To Reddit". ScreenRant.
  11. ^ Heskin, Lauren (March 7, 2021). "5 great non-fiction podcast miniseries (that aren't news or true crime)". IMAGE.ie.
  12. ^ "Limited Series Podcasts". Player.fm.
  13. ^ "The 8 Best Limited Series True Crime Podcasts". Podyssey.fm.
  • It appears that podcasts can also contain miniseries, which makes this confusing. For instance, Dissect (podcast) has done three miniseries in addition to the regular podcast. Similarly, the sources I've already cited point to specific seasons of podcasts as miniseries, such as season 3 of 30 for 30, season 2 of Headlong, and season 2 and 3 of Slow Burn (podcast), and a five episode run by You're Wrong About. I suppose we could restrict inclusion to the category based on whether the podcast in its entirety is a miniseries and if a podcast's miniseries were to ever become notable spin it out into a separate page that can be included in the category. Or we just include any podcast containing a miniseries, but that sounds like it would get messy really quick. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 13:14, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Lists of goals scored by nation-leading international footballers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of association football international goals by player. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Multiple:
  1. specify association football; other codes of international football exist in which goals are scored
  2. not restricted to "nation-leading" e.g. List of international goals scored by Bobby Charlton has been surpassed by List of international goals scored by Wayne Rooney
  3. Matches name format of relevant articles
  4. Standard naming for Category:Categories by parameter puts the parameter in singular not plural

I could live with Category:Lists of association football international goals by player instead; it's is a little easier to parse but rather verbose. jnestorius(talk) 10:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Cultural depictions of people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 11#Category:Cultural depictions of people

Category:Newspapers published in Francistown

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy merge WP:G7. – Fayenatic London 17:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think this makes sense. Please go ahead. Ethan (talk) 18:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Newspapers by city

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one or two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_12&oldid=1109731529"