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Category:Longest serving

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of longest serving people by occupation. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More precise scope and per Official. Brandmeistertalk 21:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Filipino contemporary pianists

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme for Category:Contemporary pianists nor is Category:Filipino pianists overly populated to require this breakdown. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Karađorđe's Star

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award. Checked several bios and it is listed with others if at all. The people to which it was awarded such as Edvard Beneš, Nicholas II of Russia, Ahmet Rıza, Novak Djokovic, Pavle Đurišić, etc. are much better known for other things. (t · c) buidhe 17:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Judeo-Kurdish languages

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It appears that several months ago, Away Inn tried to nominate this category for deletion with the rationale: None of these five languages is Kurdish. In fact, none of them is even indo-Iranian as the Kurdish languages. These languages are all variants of Aramaic which is a Semitic language. This page is misleading since it portrays these Judeo-Aramaic languages ( see Judeo-Aramaic languages ) as Kurdish. There is already a category of Judeo-Aramaic languages - hence, this category should be deleted. The rationale is entirely correct, and I agree with the deletion. (t · c) buidhe 17:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Religious behaviour and experience

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The result of the discussion was: option B rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OPTION A rename to behaviour and experience
OPTION B: rename to practices
Nominator's rationale: rename to align the format within the tree. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. @TSventon: thank you for pointing to this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nuclear energy in Argentina

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 21#Category:Nuclear energy in Argentina

Category:Knights of the Supreme Order of Christ

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It does not appear that this is defining for most recipients since it is awarded only to heads of countries such as Éamon de Valera, Konrad Adenauer, Otto von Bismarck, Charles de Gaulle, Francisco Franco, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, etc. who are much better known for other things. Already listified at Supreme Order of Christ. (t · c) buidhe 05:13, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Knights of the Order of Saint Hubert

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining order of chivalry given out mostly to royalty. Not at all defining for Alfonso XIII, Duke Adolf Friedrich of Mecklenburg, Abdul Hamid II, Otto von Bismarck, Gyula Andrássy, etc. (t · c) buidhe 05:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Knights of the Order of Saint John (Bailiwick of Brandenburg)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award, listed with others if at all. Not remotely defining for Otto von Bismarck, Gustav von Senden-Bibran, Emil von Schlitz, Miklós Horthy, Edward VII, Edwin Freiherr von Manteuffel, etc. (t · c) buidhe 04:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Eagle (Serbia)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:36, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award, tends to be listed with others in bios. None of those I checked at random (Georgios Kondylis, Prince Tomislav of Yugoslavia, Desmond de Silva (barrister), Sir James Horlick, 4th Baronet, Mārtiņš Peniķis, Čedomilj Mijatović, Archduke Otto of Austria (1865–1906), Louis IV, Grand Duke of Hesse, etc.) indicate definingness. (t · c) buidhe 04:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Knights of the Golden Fleece of Spain

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining order of chivalry. Seems to be mostly awarded to royalty due to their positions. Not at all defining for Charles XV, Abdul Hamid II, Constantine II of Greece, Otto von Bismarck, etc. (t · c) buidhe 04:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Opera hat: Even if we assume that Spanish recipients are defined by the award (which we respectfully disagree on), about 2/3 or 3/4 of the category contents are foreign recipients like George V, Albert II of Belgium, and Emperor Akihito. In contrast, WP:OCAWARD is looking for a "large majority" to be defined by the award to have a category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On the list of Knights, on the English-language Wikipedia of course it is more likely that foreign heads of state will be blue links (and therefore present in this category) and native Spanish knights will be red links (and therefore absent). But that need not be the case forever. Opera hat (talk) 19:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Even on eswiki the majority of notable recipients are foreign:[1] and the Spanish ones I checked don't appear to be defined by this award:[2][3][4][5][6][7] (t · c) buidhe 20:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
None of those pages features the award prominently at all, unless a one-sentence mention is now considered "defining". The supporting citation in each one isn't even IRS. JoelleJay (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: Under this rationale all or nearly all categories about orders and decorations would be deleted. By definition most people are awarded such decorations because they are primarily known for something else (although not just because of their birth as the nomination seems to imply, by amalgamation). Margaret Thatcher's article merely mentions the Order of the Garter en passant, I guess that the same rationale would therefore make you consider the Garter as a non-defining order of chivalry. These citations are easily verifiable and I don't think any good faith editor would challenge the fact that Adolfo Suárez was awarded the Golden Fleece. The main point here is that the part of the nominating rationale saying that it "Seems to be mostly awarded to royalty due to their positions" is plain wrong, and the rest of the rationale is debatable. Place Clichy (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither the Order of the Smile nor the Order of the Garter are part of this nomination. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:11, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then I suggest you nominate them, with your usual rationale that they have been awarded to royalty and heads of state. I even suggest that you make a bundle nomination with all recipient categories of all orders so awarded. Most of them are much less notable and defining that the present nomination. Place Clichy (talk) 05:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bundled nominations have often ended in "No Consensus" because editors correctly point out that there are differences between the awards. Collectively these noms are hitting different awards from different areas so no single country is being singled out. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Under this rationale all or nearly all categories about orders and decorations would be deleted." Yes, the whole point of WP:OCAWARD is that we allow award categories only in exceptional situations. By far most awards face the paradoxal situation that notable people are not defined by the award while non-notable people who would be defined by the award do not have an article in wp. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Which recipient categories would be left, then? Just that of the Victoria Cross and maybe the Hero of the Soviet Union? Place Clichy (talk) 05:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 07:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Spain. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep until or unless we get rid of the OBE etc., since this is the Spanish equivalent. There have been a whole lot of nominations of award categories over the past week and it is difficult to keep track of them. I don't like the inconsistency that is likely to result and, really, I'd prefer that they'd be nominated together rather than in drips and drabs. Furius (talk) 18:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Furius: Sadly, I think most of the editors who back deletion here would actually like to get rid of all honours categories, including the Order of the British Empire etc! Unfortunately, most CfDs are not well attended, so they will probably be successful and claim consensus because two or three editors are in favour of deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:DÜWAG

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The result of the discussion was: rename. The article was moved via RM, so we will match the article name per the usual guideline. If there is a concern that the article is spelled incorrectly, that should be taken up with a new RM of the article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per C2D, align with article name. Kinroz7 (talk) 04:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Preatures members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per G7 and parent category Category:Musicians by band – categories should not be created when only one member has an article. I wasn't aware of the category's guidelines until a recent discussion about a similar category I had created. Sean Stephens (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Traffic participants

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Transport for now. If anyone wants to take another crack at a category under a different name, the contents were Commuter (a redirect), Passenger, Pedestrian, and Stowaway. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and the spirit of WP:C2C
This category contains 3 articles: Passenger, Pedestrian, & Stowaway. I was looking for a merge target given the small size but these aren't Category:Transport occupations and they should stay somewhere under the Category:Transport tree. The roles are associated with transport in general, not traffic specifically, and the new name matches the category tree. (I'm submitting this through CFD instead of WP:CFSD since I suspect there may be a better merge target I just missed.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe? I think this grouping was for people who are not paid but maybe that's categorizing by something they're not. - RevelationDirect (talk) 07:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Double Hmmmm I was going to suggest "Transport users", but not only are they not paid, some are not even paying. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would Category:Transport culture be a reasonable option? And should Hitch-hiking also go in there? Grutness...wha? 03:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm open to that. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lontar foundation training participants

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME, MOS:PROPER, & the spirit of WP:C2C
Some volunteers with the Lontar Foundation coordinate with Wikimedia Indonesia to create more biography articles in English Wikipieda and this is a user category for those participants. "Lontar Foundation" is a proper name. Subcategories of Category:Wikipedia user space generally start with "Wikipedian" or "Users" and Category:Wikipedian Peace Corps volunteers‎ is the closest naming format I could find. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We need to at least capitalize the "F". I'm fine with any alternate rename that does that.- RevelationDirect (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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