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Category:City Girls

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need for this eponymous category. Linking between the subcategories already provides sufficient navigation. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Neighborhoods in Kiev

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close. bibliomaniac15 01:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Talk:Kyiv Starzoner (talk) 23:47, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Government of Kiev

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close. bibliomaniac15 01:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Either rename the category to Category:Kyiv City State Administration or Category:Government of Kyiv per Talk:Kyiv Starzoner (talk) 23:45, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African-American journalists of Omaha, Nebraska

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS, this is over-categorization by race, occupation, and city. User:Namiba 18:42, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by creator: I created this category because many individual journalists had been (mis-)categorized in Category:African-American newspapers published in Omaha, Nebraska. It would be best to notify the person who did that work and understand their perspective prior to making a final decision and undoing their work. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, there is no tree of African-American people by city. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, there are lots of trees of white people by city; just because there are no current trees doesn't mean there can't be. If "over-categorization" is a genuine concern, there are plenty of other places to start hacking away rather than here. There are clearly enough African American journalists in Omaha to justify the category. Freechild (talk) 22:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Peterkingiron, WP:SMALLCAT is not the only policy that exists. As I and others have said, the matter here is WP:OCEGRS and not SMALLCAT.--User:Namiba 20:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Czech World War II flying aces

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: What's the purpose of having two categories about World War II flying aces for the same country? Czechoslovak is the most accurate descriptor, so I would suggest merging the two cats into that category. Lettlerhello • contribs 16:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:South African football templates

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:43, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate template category for Soccer in South Africa. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Member states of the Council of Europe

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, but there is consensus to remove the country suncategories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not all international organizations are WP:DEFINING for member states; indeed, most are not. Is the Council of Europe? I picked five countries at random, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Germany, Poland, Estonia, and Greece. Two of these mention the organization once in the text, Estonia and Germany do not mention it at all in the running text of the article; Bosnia mentions in the lead but not in the body, and never explains why its membership is significant. (t · c) buidhe 12:09, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Etruscan history

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Everything about Etruscans in history. There is little reason to single out these 2 articles and 1 subcategory. Place Clichy (talk) 11:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Jersey Supreme Court justices

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of New Jersey. A follow-up nomination of this tree should also be conducted soon. bibliomaniac15 02:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match Supreme Court of New Jersey, Category:Supreme Court of New Jersey, and List of justices of the Supreme Court of New Jersey. All other forms use "Supreme Court of New Jersey", not "New Jersey Supreme Court". (This proposal was processed via WP:CFDS but a user objected to the change after the fact.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Artificial satellites orbiting Earth

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 18:00, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Because artificial satellite redirects to satellite. fgnievinski (talk) 05:26, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sumerian epic heroes

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The result of the discussion was: purge and rename. – Fayenatic London 09:53, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: deleting, there are a few deities in this category that presumably do not belong here, but other than that the category is largely a duplication of Category:Sumerian rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 18:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 02:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Purge as rename per the amended nomination. Place Clichy (talk) 09:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support revised nom -- However it is a bit much to ask the closing admin to do this. I would suggest that the nom or a supporter creates and adds target categories to all articles. When that has been done the present category can be eliminated by merging or deleting. This procedure ensures that we do not orphan articles. The article that I sampled was a legendary first Sumerian king. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hardys

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: listify and delete. The list will be added to Hardy (hill). – Fayenatic London 10:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining - few (if any) of the articles (e.g. Snowdon) use the term "hardy" and some (e.g. North Walney) don't mention the height of the "hill".  I don't propose to listify this as the categories (even after having been padded out with redirects) only contain a fraction of the complete list - it would be better for any list to be created directly from a RS. DexDor (talk) 14:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all. A Hardy is a clearly defined geographical feature: a mountain, hill or high point in the United Kingdom which is the highest point in a hill range, island or county. The list was compiled by Ian Hardy in the 1990s and is recognised by the Ordnance Survey, the Long Distance Walkers Assocation and leading outdoor magazines.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12] Bermicourt (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Hardy, Ian. High Points (1997). Potters Bar, Hertfordshire: Ian Hardy.
  2. ^ Hardy, Ian. High Points (1999) 2nd Edition. Potters Bar, Hertfordshire: Ian Hardy.
  3. ^ Hardy, Ian, MVO. The Hardys - The UK's High Points (2010) 3rd Edition. Potters Bar, Hertfordshire: Ian Hardy. ISBN 978-0-9565533-3-1 (internet version, http://www.thehardys.org/), ISBN 978-0-9565533-5-5 (DVD version).
  4. ^ Long Distance Walkers Association. http://www.ldwa.org.uk/ Hillwalkers Register 3
  5. ^ Long Distance Walkers Association. Strider Magazine (April 1999 p.20)
  6. ^ Long Distance Walkers Association. Strider Magazine (August 2010 p.15)
  7. ^ Bagging Munros, Peaks and the Wainwrights at ordnancesurvey.co.uk. Accessed on 15 Mar 2013.
  8. ^ Country Walking Magazine (November 1997 p.72)
  9. ^ Country Walking Magazine (May 2002 p.113)
  10. ^ Country Walking Magazine (November 2010 Things to Do)
  11. ^ The Great Outdoors Magazine (January 1998 p.13)
  12. ^ The Great Outdoors Magazine (July 1999 p.12)
This isn't about whether the term has a definition; it's about it being a non-defining characteristic for categorization. DexDor (talk) 16:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Some in these categories wouldn't fit that - e.g. North Walney is a nature reserve that's just a few feet above sea level. DexDor (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, some may need to be purged then. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and listify, per nominator's suggestion. Though interesting, it isn't a common geographical term, but named after the author of a list in a book. Sionk (talk) 12:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 02:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom. The term is not defining for individual articles and not usually mentioned. A list should be created directly from a RS, as the nom states. Oculi (talk) 11:46, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and listify per nom. I see no evidence that this is a defining feature, which is a pretty high bar. (t · c) buidhe 12:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and listify. The original list seems to be more notable that the hilltops themselves grouped together. The fact that this "type of high point" does not seem to exist in any other country, even as culturally close as Ireland, the Shetlands, the Channel Islands, Australia or Canada says a lot about the non-notable and non-defining character of being a "hardy". Place Clichy (talk) 09:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify and then delete -- This appears to be a category invented by an author (Ian Hardy) about 30 years ago. We appear to be about to embark on another round of local government reform in England, where subdivision will result in even more Hardys. I regard this as an obscure category, where a list (or lists) will work much better than a category. We may need four lists (one for each home nation) or even more, such as one per English region. A category for lists of Hardys might be appropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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