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Nominator's rationale. To standardise on a consistent name in international relations categories for "Palestine"/"State of Palestine".
The head article is State of Palestine, where the opening line says "Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn), officially the State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a de jure sovereign state in Western Asia".
Support (Palestine) (e.g., Category:Foreign relations of the State of Palestine to Category:Foreign relations of Palestine) because "State of" makes the titles longer and more awkward, and is unnecessary (everybody knows what is meant by "Palestine"; few would ask "Do they mean foreign relations of the government of Palestine or the foreign relations of the Palestinian diaspora?"), and we can avoid the "State of" debate in our category titles. Mostly, though, if there is one thing we should all be able to agree about, it's the importance of consistency in category and article titles. I would also support (State of) if that was the community consensus, though my preference is (Palestine), but it should definitely be one or the other. Levivich (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Option A: State of Palestine. It seems to me that this wording is absolutely required, because the term "Palestine" formerly (and for most of history) referred to the region known as Palestine. In other words, it is inherently ambiguous. Whereas, when it comes to Category names, there is no room for ambiguity. It really is that simple, IMHO. Anomalous+0 (talk) 04:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Option B. While State of Palestine is preferable to Palestine alone for the main article and category to describe the country, expressions like Foreign relations of Palestine or Ambassador of Palestine are not ambiguous. Take for instance this CfD where Category:Foreign relations of Ireland was preferred over alternative names such as Foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland or Foreign relations of Ireland (country), precisely because it is not ambiguous. Place Clichy (talk) 19:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles needing help
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Category:Bubbles
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Category:France–Israel topics
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Country-specific art films already included in the main category
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. This nomination is somewhat malformed, which I think has caused general confusion around this nomination. Rather than relisting and letting that confusion stand, I am making this close without prejudice against speedy renomination, provided such a nomination is formatted as-is standard. Feel free to ask on WT:CFD (or my user talk) if you need help formatting a nomination. ~ Rob13Talk04:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Propose upmerging to Category:Art films (proposal edited by Betty Logan – if we delete these categories we want the articles they contain upmerged to the parent category first unless we intend to delete Category:Art films as well):
Oppose. The conventional way of setting out CFD nominations is to show exactly what is proposed for each nominated category: "* Category:A to category:B". Where multiple merge targets are intended, they are listed as e.g. "* Category:C to category:D and Category:F". (see e.g. WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 12#Buildings_and_structures_by_city) This nomination is unclear about what is intended, so I would oppose it on those grounds alone. Also, these are intersection categories (e.g. Category:Greek art films is an intersection of Category:Art films and Category:Greek films), so I would expect that there would be a merger to both parent categories.
@Betty Logan: I am not aware of any category ever being merged or deleted on the grounds that a complex search could replicate some of its functionality. I doubt that more than a tiny fraction of editors (let alone readers) know how to construct an "incategory:" search. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 02:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The fact remains that regardless of whether editors know how to perform intersection searches or not intersection categories that just have a handful of entries serve little encyclopedia purpose per WP:NARROWCAT, and they just make organization more difficult to maintain. Some of these categories just have a single entry and certainly fall under NARROWCAT. The categories don't need to be upmerged to the country categories because they are non-diffusing categories and are present on all film articles per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Categorization#General_categorization. Betty Logan (talk) 02:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A category of a dozen or so films is a narrow category in my book. This is just adding layer upon layer of unnecessary categorization, and if somebody comes along and diffuses the main category to the child-categories (which is what usually ends up happening) then it becomes very tedious to search through them or print them out. I just don't see a compelling encyclopedic reason to separate out Greek art films from German art films. Category groupings should be built around the most likely groupings and this goes beyond that. This isn't like Japanese animation which has its own unique identity and is extensively documented. Betty Logan (talk) 04:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The usual threshold used at CFD for a viable category is 5 or 6 articles. In 13 years of regular CFD participation I have never seen a category of a dozen more deleted as "too small".
Diffusing films by-genre into nationality subcats is common practice in other genres. There are currently 475 films categorised as art films, so a dozen or so categories for the larger intersections seems to me to be a good and commonly-used way of breaking it up into more manageable chunks. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 06:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Breaking these films into national sub-cats makes the parent category much more interesting and useful, IMHO. And the smallish size of some of the sub-cats is not at all unusual for category trees like this. Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would still like to see them all go (should be stated that I did not nominate the Romanian cat. and have no objections to it being withdrawn).--87.71.86.87 (talk) 20:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Thai Chinese
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Nominator's rationale: For consistency with other categories under Category:Chinese diaspora by country, almost all of which use either Chinese diaspora in Foo or Chinese Fooian. While the main article is indeed at Thai Chinese, I don't think this should carry weight, because the series of articles are currently an inconsistent jumbled mix of Chinese Fooian and Fooian Chinese, which is confusing in itself. Renaming to Category:Chinese diaspora in Thailand would solve the ambiguity. Paul_012 (talk) 10:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:INED
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--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)