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Category:Comcast franchises

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Media franchises by owner. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Refers to media franchises owned by Comcast. It's an unnecessary parent category for Category:NBCUniversal franchises, because Comcast has no other media franchises besides NBCUniversal ones. Trivialist (talk) 22:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:AT&T franchises

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Media franchises by owner and Category:AT&T brands. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Refers to media franchises owned by AT&T. It's an unnecessary parent category for Category:WarnerMedia franchises, because AT&T has no other media franchises besides WarnerMedia ones. Trivialist (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Basshunter

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The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate cat Legacypac (talk) 21:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Category:Basshunter Songs" is incorrect. Category:Songs written by Basshunter can include non-Basshunter songs. Eurohunter (talk) 21:34, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry should have been a small s. If he wrote the song it's his song. The cats are trying to draw a finer distinction than is useful or clear. Legacypac (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He don't need to write his songs also. Eurohunter (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. These are part of two well established categories, Category:Songs by artist and Category:Songs by songwriter. These are different functions and should not be merged, or confused as to meaning the same thing. Just off the top of my head is the proposal to merge songs performed & songs written for every other artist? From Prince, Elton John to Ariana Grande and Ed Sheeran? No, this nomination has not be thought out and, if the nominator think they have a case, should include every other artist that might write some or all of the songs they record. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - as Richhoncho, these are different categories in different trees. Category:Basshunter songs is shorthand for 'songs recorded by Basshunter'. which could be completely different from 'Songs written by Basshunter'. Oculi (talk) 22:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Organizations based in Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: Procedural close until this RFC is closed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 15:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Option A - "Organisations" to "Organizations" (rename 9 categories)
  1. Rename Category:Agricultural organisations based in Mexico to Category:Agricultural organizations based in Mexico
  2. Rename Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Mexico to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Mexico
  3. Rename Category:Business organisations based in Mexico to Category:Business organizations based in Mexico
  4. Rename Category:Child-related organisations in Mexico to Category:Child-related organizations in Mexico
  5. Rename Category:Lists of organisations based in Mexico to Category:Lists of organizations based in Mexico
  6. Rename Category:Music organisations based in Mexico to Category:Music organizations based in Mexico
  7. Rename Category:Organisations based in Mexico by subject to Category:Organizations based in Mexico by subject
  8. Rename Category:Trotskyist organisations in Mexico to Category:Trotskyist organizations in Mexico
  9. Rename Category:Women's organisations based in Mexico to Category:Women's organizations based in Mexico
Option B - "Organizations" to "Organisations" (rename 28 categories)
  1. Rename Category:Organizations based in Mexico to Category:Organisations based in Mexico
  2. Rename Category:Arts organizations based in Mexico to Category:Arts organisations based in Mexico
  3. Rename Category:Aviation organizations based in Mexico to Category:Aviation organisations based in Mexico
  4. Rename Category:Consumer organizations in Mexico to Category:Consumer organisations in Mexico
  5. Rename Category:Cultural organizations based in Mexico to Category:Cultural organisations based in Mexico
  6. Rename Category:Defunct organizations based in Mexico to Category:Defunct organisations based in Mexico
  7. Rename Category:Educational organizations in Mexico to Category:Educational organisations in Mexico
  8. Rename Category:Environmental organizations based in Mexico to Category:Environmental organisations based in Mexico
  9. Rename Category:Ethnic organizations based in Mexico to Category:Ethnic organisations based in Mexico
  10. Rename Category:Film organizations in Mexico to Category:Film organisations in Mexico
  11. Rename Category:History organizations based in Mexico to Category:History organisations based in Mexico
  12. Rename Category:Human rights organizations based in Mexico to Category:Human rights organisations based in Mexico
  13. Rename Category:Medical and health organizations based in Mexico to Category:Medical and health organisations based in Mexico
  14. Rename Category:Mexican criminal organizations to Category:Mexican criminal organisations
  15. Rename Category:Mexican journalism organizations to Category:Mexican journalism organisations
  16. Rename Category:Mexican organization stubs to Category:Mexican organisation stubs
  17. Rename Category:Mexican writers' organizations to Category:Mexican writers' organisations
  18. Rename Category:Non-profit organizations based in Mexico to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Mexico
  19. Rename Category:Organizations based in Mexico City to Category:Organisations based in Mexico City
  20. Rename Category:Organized crime groups in Mexico to Category:Organised crime groups in Mexico
  21. Rename Category:Paramilitary organizations based in Mexico to Category:Paramilitary organisations based in Mexico
  22. Rename Category:Political organizations in Mexico to Category:Political organisations in Mexico
  23. Rename Category:Religious organizations based in Mexico to Category:Religious organisations based in Mexico
  24. Rename Category:Scientific organizations based in Mexico to Category:Scientific organisations based in Mexico
  25. Rename Category:Sports organizations of Mexico to Category:Sports organisations of Mexico
  26. Rename Category:Transportation organizations based in Mexico to Category:Transportation organisations based in Mexico
  27. Rename Category:Wikipedia categories named after organizations based in Mexico to Category:Wikipedia categories named after organisations based in Mexico
  28. Rename Category:Youth organizations based in Mexico to Category:Youth organisations based in Mexico
User:Od Mishehu launched a series of cfds on this topic in 2017, the premise being that a given country should use either 'z' or 's' (but not a mixture thereof); eg France, Brazil, Bolivia, Iran, Angola, Greece, Poland, Israel, Puerto Rico, Turkey. While there was variation in support for 's' or 'z', there was consensus that there should be consistency at the country level. Oculi (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Option A (as nom). Follow the usage of Category:Organizations based in Mexico, convention in clear majority of subcats, proximity to USA, lack of ties to UK etc. Oculi (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Option A. Consistency is important, and the Z spelling should be used throughout Wikipedia. Z is the std form in American English, and one of two acceptable form in British English. The case for using the "S"-spelling is very weak even in UK-related topics, and for a country such as Mexico with minimal links to the UK and strong ties to the USA it is non-existent. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:32, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • RFC. I have opened an RFC about whether to standardise on the "Z" spelling in descriptive category names, i.e. to use "Organization" in all cases. I estimate that this affects the naming of about ten thousand categories.
See Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RFC:_spelling_of_"organisation"/"organization"_in_descriptive_category_names. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anti-Christian sentiment

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 21:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per other subcategories of Category:Antireligion which do not use the word "sentiment". feminist (talk) 03:23, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted from CFD 2019 March 23 to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musical settings of poems by Aldous Huxley

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 21:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A single page cat. WP:SMALLCAT Legacypac (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Establishments in Portland, Oregon‎

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The result of the discussion was: merge & delete. – Fayenatic London 07:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Category sizes for establishments in Oregon
Year Portland Oregon if merged
2000 0 63 62
2001 0 83 82
2002 0 59 58
2003 0 69 68
2004 0 74 73
2005 0 84 83
2006 0 84 83
2007 0 76 75
2008 0 58 57
2009 0 101 100
2010 0 68 67
2011 0 61 60
2012 0 72 71
2013 0 53 52
2014 0 47 46
2015 0 74 73
2016 0 58 57
2017 0 33 32
Propose deleting:
Propose merging:
Nominator's rationale: per WP:NARROWCAT, and per long-standing CFD consensus not to categorise establishments and disestablishments by city. (See e.g. 2012: London and 2019 February: Philadelphia and Pittsburgh)
As the table on the right shows, the Oregon categories are nowhere big enough to need splitting. If merged, the median size of the merged categories will be only 55 pages. The biggest category will be Category:2009 establishments in Oregon with only 89 pages, and the smallest will be Category:2017 establishments in Oregon with only 13 pages. (Note that the table is self-updating, so those totals may change)
The Portland categories do not fail the usual minimum threshold of 5 which is commonly applied to WP:SMALLCAT, but that threshold is a minimum not a mandate. There are many other reasons not to pursue ever-narrower intersections, including:
  1. A proliferation of narrow categories. This approach leads to the creation of dozens of extra categories for a city, causing maintemace headaches.
  2. If applied throughout a city's history, this approach creates a long thin tail. Alternatively, an arbitrary cutoff date is applied, which is confusing to both readers and editors. It leads to categories being created outside the scope, which then need CFD attention to merge.
  3. If we start categorising establishments by city, there will be endless CFD debates about which cities are suitable, and for what periods. Vast amounts of editor time will be used up in creating, populating and debating these categories for scores of cities.
--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: a median size of 55 for the merged categories is hardly big. Even the biggest merged cat would be less than half way to a pageful. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:11, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The table here is just a collection of {{PAGESINCATEGORY}} calls made by this one-off template. I think it might be worth seeing if I can make a generalised version of that template, because that sort of data would be useful in other group merge CFDs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- We need a pragmatic approach to this problem based on the consensus of a minimum of 5 articles. I would suggest that this should only be allowed for cities with a certain minimum population. Portland has a population of nearly 650,000: perhaps we should set the bar at 500,000. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Peterkingiron, the widely-accepted minimum of 5 pages per WP:SMLLCAT is a minimum, not a mandate. It does not create a license to slice up categories into units of 5 pages.
In this case there is no need to subdivise Oregon, because the largest category post-merger would contain only 87 pages. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:23, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • support Although many of the categories might superficially top off beyond the five, I have general concerns that many of them are filled with bread crumb articles that are not only poor quality but fail to satisfy WP:GNG, and WP:ORGSIG such as non-notable bars and taverns, restaurants and entertainment venues both present and former which commonly come and go. Though some of these problem articles look semi decent, many of them have nothing but chains of routine reviews and commentaries from travel guides. Those articles for businesses, organizations etc that are not obviously notable and fail to establish notability with the provided sources need to be removed and once that is done the category will clear up significantly, thus eliminating the need for them to exist. Graywalls (talk) 11:56, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Your comment says absolutely nothing about the appropriateness of the categories themselves... ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm specifically addressing that these categories are not really necessary, because many of the articles within them, especially those representing the last 10 years are significantly suffering from articles getting created about non-notable entries. Whenever I try to address those ones in Portland such as in this latest example, they just froth up with foam; which makes it look presentable but does nothing about the fundamental lack notability meeting WP:GNG and WP:NORG. These "problem articles" should be counted out of assessing the utilization rate of their respective categories. before after filler cites and event listingsGraywalls (talk) 16:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Palaces by city

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. all except for Category:Palaces in Forlì, which is kept. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 01:40, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of the above categories contain only 1 or 2 articles and there is limited growth potential. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose
I created this category and strongly oppose merger into a larger category. The list has room to grow.
A category of Palaces in Lazio becomes unwieldy if all but the largest city has its own category.
WP:Small does not define how large a list should be, but it should be more than a few.
Specifically for Viterbo, there could be additional entries for:[[3]]
  1. Palazzo Comunale
  1. Palazzo del Podestà
  2. Palazzo della Prefettura
  3. Palazzo delle Carceri
  4. Palazzo Farnese
  5. Palazzo Chigi
  6. Palazzo di Donna Olimpia Pamphili
  7. Palazzo Gentili-Anfanelli
  8. Palazzo Santoro
  9. Palazzo Doria, San Martino a Cimino (perhaps)
I object to merging Category:Palaces in Forlì. See [4] for over a half dozen other palaces that could be added to category.
I oppose the merger of Viterbo category with a larger category.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rococo1700 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll strike the nomination of Forli because on it.wp there are more articles about palaces in Forli. With Viterbo it is a different issue, it.wp also has few articles and the book being referred to is about palaces in the province of Viterbo. As a side issue, it is nonsense that Category:Palaces in Lazio would become unwieldy after the merger, as it contains only 5 articles directly in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge all -- I could not find any with more than 2 articles. Rococo's objection could perhaps be met by additionally merging to a wider places category. If more articles are created so that a city (or province) has at least 5, ther category can be re-created. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Heroes of Turkey

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Probably per WP:SHAREDNAME maybe WP:V or WP:SUBJECTIVECAT
There is no main article for National Hero of Turkey nor is it mentioned anywhere in the Orders, decorations, and medals of Turkey main article and a Google search in English points to this category in Wikipedia. Reading through the articles, they all use the word "hero" (or "heroine") somewhere in the body like (e.g. "folk hero", "war hero", "remembered as a hero"). Maybe this is a good faith misunderstanding that categories are not the same as key words or maybe there is an obscure award without a main article. In any case, this category doesn't seem defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kokomo Mantis FC players

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for a deleted page that failed WP:GNG, category is not useful Jay eyem (talk) 00:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Union Cycliste Internationale Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TOPTEN and WP:OCAWARD
The UCI Hall of Fame was a one-time list from 2002 of the all-time greatest people who "contributed to the glory and development of cycling sport throughout the world". This list was part of the grand-opening celebration of the Union Cycliste Internationale"s World Cycling Centre where the hall of fame is housed. This is not an ongoing award which inducts new people each year. The articles I looked at didn't mention the award except they all had Template:UCI Hall of Fame so this doesn't seem defining. The recipients are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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