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Nominator's rationale: This category is superseded by a few new and old categories, such as legionary fortresses, fortified camps, and milecastles, as well as auxiliary forts, as such the broad term of fort is no longer needed. The ancient forts in ____ should follow the same decision of the ancient roman forts, I've already tagged every page in it with a new category. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum22:19, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the observation of Oculi, and the main article castra would have only a city-planning connection to the Roman category tree, which is absurd because many castra never developed into cities. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Carlossuarez46: (Sorry my notifications aren't working so ill be slow to respond) The reason I nom-ed it for deletion was because roman auxiliary forts, roman legionary forts, roman fortified camps, roman mileforts, are all castra, castra applies to all of them, making roman forts wildly unspecific, the breakdown into actual categories makes sense, and as for city planning I have no idea what you are talking about. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum20:19, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep until everything is recategorised. I would expect most forts to be auxiliary ones. I would suggest that these be purged of legionary forts and small installations like mile castles and signal stations. After that this the subcategory can be merged and this one deleted or merged. This needs to be the end of the process, not the start. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Peterkingiron: Actually the vast majority of them are legionary forts, as auxiliaries rarely got their own fort, and legionary takes precedence over auxiliary, but we still have a category for it, also I cannot really understand what you are talking about, and almost all of it has already been re-categorized, I should be done by today or tomorrow. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum22:53, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: the problem with that is as mentioned above, fort is too broad a term, I didn't just slap a legionary fortress category on it, I read the article and put it in the category it belonged in, ie auxiliary fort, fortified camp, etc . IazygesConsermonorOpus meum12:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, while I think this has procedurally been quite confusing to most of us (because normally we discuss something before we undertake action), I suppose this nomination is worth supporting. By the way, I've notified the category creator to also hear about their perspective. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Still oppose -- While the majority of forts in number are probably auxiliary, it is likely that most are NN, so that I am prepared to believe that the majority of those categorised were legionary. However, the whole tree needs to be recategorised. If we just delete this, we will be left with partially orphaned categories. I sampled Egypt, where Cusae has a legionary connection, but it is not clear to me whether it was a legionary fortress or a colonia of its veterans. The Romanian subcat has a large number of "castra" most of which are stub articles, and were almost certainly mostly auxiliary. The England category appears all auxiliary, but the Wales (which has anachronistically been split into the current counties etc) and Scotland ones contain both. The nom says that he has sorted them, but I am not convinced that he has yet. He needs to start at the bottom and rename the national subcategories, purging as necessary, and adding them to a new tree. When that has been done, it may be appropriate to make this a container category, or delete it, but not yet. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Peterkingiron:, the Category:Roman military fortifications contains a bunch of categories that i listed that supersedes the ancient forts, then all of them are broken down by country. I fail to see where your objection is. as for cusae, it says it was the settlement of Legio II Flavia Constantia, making it a fort, if it were a colonia it would say so. I fail to see what your argument is, and also very little of england is auxiliary, as I previously mentioned it is very rare for auxiliary only forts to exist alone, usually they are with a legion, making them legionary forts or camps. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum19:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are wrong about auxiliary forts to be rare. Almost all the forts in England were manned by non-legionary (i.e. auxiliary) units. You need to start off you ensuring that all the articles on the tree have a category, according to what you are proposing. Then nominate the national forts categories for deletion (or renaming). When you have removed all those we can consider the present nom. Nominating a grandparent category alone is liable to leave the child categories orphaned or without an appropriate parent. I do not know about Cusae, but the term "settlement" is ambiguous and might refer to a fort or a colonia; the word suggests to me the latter, but I do not know. IN UK, I think York may have had both, but otherwise they are mutually exclusive. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Order of the Smile
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Category:Armories on the National Register of Historic Places in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Category:WFMU DJs
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Category:Religion by region and continent
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Support original nomination. The current standard is as nominated. If the current standard is not clear enough there should be a wider nomination to change that. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:51, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Somalian linguists
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Category:Somalian people by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: This is the correct demonym both in the native language and in scholarly English languages. The addition of a suffix -an seems to be a confused conflation of neighboring African place names. I also propose renaming the subcategories.Pwolit iets (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Unitarian Universalist churches
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Nominator's rationale: Current title is not neutral because UU also have practises associated with shrines, monasteries, mosques, synagogues and temples among others. Also, some of the worship places are not even named churches, but rather meeting house etc. Pwolit iets (talk) 06:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It would be biased to describe UU as incorporating merely churchy aspects into their religiosity since members practise rituals associated with numerous non-Christian and even non-Abrahamic religions. Pwolit iets (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thats incorrect because it is the case now. For example some of the names derive from its status as a Christian denomination prior to its emergence as a separate religion, but its congregations nonetheless have diverged sufficiently since then. Also, some of the pages in the subcategories that were established post the 1961 consolidation specifically specify with alternate titles, see for example in North Carolina, Alaska, Indiania. Pwolit iets (talk) 22:59, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- The vast majority of the articles in the US state-level categories are called "church", which has the merits of brevity. A few are "chapel" or"society", but strictly a "society" is probably not a"place of worship" either. The denomination may aspire to bring in places of worship of other religions, but I see no sign of that having succeeded among the articles. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, it is capitalized/upercase though, and those titles typically derive from their designation prior to the 1961 consolidation. Secondly, the word church has a very specific definition. Since UU gatherings do not fit the conventional definition of a church, Wikipedia would be misleading readers and in a nutshell would contain incorrect info.Pwolit iets (talk) 09:15, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, brevity is not a valid option if the brevity option is not synonymous. No other syncretic religion is described as a church on Wikipedia - UU shouldn't be an exception. This would set a very bad precedent of misusing the English language. Pwolit iets (talk) 18:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't make sense. If a church starts only offering Friday prayers for Muslims, then it is no longer a church but a mosque. Similarly, if a church starts offering only NRM services its similarly distinct. Pwolit iets (talk) 18:35, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. There's a tendency for American sources to treat ambiguous religious worship sites as churches. Take for example a look at polls done by even reputable think tanks wherein a generalized religious survey is followed up with references only to churches, whereas synagogues etc. are ignored. This is not the case with UK think tanks or pollsters. This is probably due to the ubiquity of Christianity in America, hence this incorrect slant in the naming of worship sites.Pwolit iets (talk) 06:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia guidelines allows for incorrect information to be present in articles due to our verifiability WP:NOTTRUTH guidelines. The same does not hold true for categories, so our categories should hold some semblance of factuality. Pwolit iets (talk) 06:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Globalization-related theories
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