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Category:Metropolitans of Kyiv and All Ukraine

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Metropolitans and Patriarchs of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church following February 21. – Fayenatic London 15:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Since only Mefodiy (Kudriakov) is using the title Metropolitan of Kyiv and All Ukraine, it made more sense to categorize him together with the other primates of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church into the category that is currently named Category:Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kiev and all Rus'. This nomination is a follow-up on this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- It is a pity that the discussions of 21 February are still open. When only one person has held a title, the practice has been to redirect an article on the title to that on the man. I am afraid that there is too much nationalist politics here for a permanent solution: the church in an independent state does not like being governed by the leader of its equivalent in another. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nintendo GameCube DK Bongos games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seems like WP:SMALLCAT and a trivial intersection. It's not part of an established tree (Games by controller and system?), and we can be reasonably certain that it will never get larger. Conceivably, Donkey Konga 2 and Donkey Konga 3 could get standalone articles, but that's it. BDD (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WikiProject Computer science stubs

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 16:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category (both these categories are categorizing article pages, not talk pages). Wikiproject categorization should be on talk pages (e.g. Category:Stub-Class Computing articles). DexDor (talk) 19:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People excommunicated by the Church of Christ (Temple Lot)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 15:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only a single page in category, and unlikely to be many more. pbp 16:03, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with that is that several of the subcategories contain 5 articles or fewer, and are likely never to contain many more than that. I grant that the situation is not ideal, but at present, the category should be deleted for failing WP:SMALLCAT. pbp 14:48, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would doubt that they will never contain more. But WP:SMALLCAT doesn't really apply: the category will not by its very definition only have a few members (this church still exists and still excommunicates people). WP:SMALLCAT is often misunderstood to be a reference to all small categories, which it is not. It is a reference to categories that by their very definitions can only ever have a limited number of articles. It can also be argued that it's part of an overall categorization scheme that subdivides by sect. That said, it's not a particularly "large" overall scheme, so the latter argument is not as good as the former. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Latter Day Saint hymnwriters by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge Scottish and Welsh to British, no consensus on others. – Fayenatic London 16:01, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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American Latter Day Saint hymnwriters

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 15:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Georgia (U.S. state) colonial people

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People of Georgia (British colony). --slakr\ talk / 02:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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American colonial people

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The result of the discussion was: rename the following:

The full list in the original nomination, however, does not appear to have clear consensus. In the future, I'd recommend not batching different-subject renames (e.g., "people" with "colonial governors" with "women"), as it makes it a pain to figure out who's actually supporting what (and whether it's merely implicit or safe to assume it's so) when they're opposing half of the nomination but not explicitly supporting the other half, so here if I had doubts as to the intent, I tried to go with the more conservative assumption.

--slakr\ talk / 02:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

original nomination
  • I would rather maintain support for the governors nomination. "Colonial governors" implies that it's a particular type of governor or a particular title but in fact these people were just governors. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose Category:American colonial people to Category:People of colonial America. It is clear in WP that 'American' refers to the US and it people, including governing entities of the US area prior to there being a US. On the other hand, it is not clear that 'colonial America' includes just and only the US area; it could include colonial Canada, Newfoundland, Mexico, central and south American and so on. This category does not include and is not meant to include anything more than it does now: US land area. The rename would not make that clear. Hmains (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is about the areas that became the US and not about the areas that became Canada. Nor about Mexico and the Central American part of the North American continent. Clearly, this is not about 'North America'. Hmains (talk) 05:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:CERN Personalities

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:15, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Common style for categories of this sort, compare for instance Category:People associated with the University of Oxford and countless others. Favonian (talk) 13:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to conform to common usage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello, thank you very much for your comments, I appreciate it. I will rename the category asap, but what are you proposing on the linking that I want to do with my category and Cern's website?
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellipapa (talk • contribs) 14:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Ellipapa: Unfortunately, you can't do that yourself as it requires changing all the articles that are included in the category. Just lean back and wait for the process to take its course. Favonian (talk) 14:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Massachusetts colonial people to Category:People of colonial Massachusetts; no consensus on the governors. --slakr\ talk / 02:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just curious: for the sake of MOS consistency, should we rename People from colonial Boston, Massachusetts to People of colonial Boston, Massachusetts?? Quis separabit? 15:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That might make sense. However it is a sub-category of Category:People from Boston, Massachusetts. The of/from divide is complex, in part because functionally they are sort of the same word, although not always overlapping in meaning. Category:Massachusetts colonial people is a sub-cat of Category:People of pre-statehood Massachusetts which is a sub-cat of Category:People by era in Massachusetts which in turn is a sub-cat of Category:People from Massachusetts.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Once I've seen a suggestion to replace 'of' by 'in', with the purpose of differentiating it more clearly from 'from'. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Estonian freedom fighters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename DELETE Category:Estonian freedom fighters due to subjective wording, i.e. "freedom fighters". Quis separabit? 04:25, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Red and white flags

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. --slakr\ talk / 01:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. I'm not sure about this, but I'd like to see a discussion on it. This is the only category I can find that categorizes flags by specific colours. We do have categories that group them by other design features: Category:Flags by design. I'm not sure that specific colour is a way we want to divide flags, so I lean towards deletion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. On the one hand, one can't deny that red and white is a defining characteristic. On the other hand, one may regard shared colors as similar to shared names, so we might delete per WP:SHAREDNAME, but that's probably not a very convincing argument. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. If this category stays, I would expect Category:Red flags and Category:white flags to exist. If the parent's descriptiveness is in question, we shouldn't need to address the subcategories. Secondly, the divisions of color in a flag are somewhat subjective.(WP:SUBJECTIVECAT) Does the blue in Argentina's flag deserve to be in the same blue category as the much darker European Union flag, or do we split to light blue flags? Does the little bit of red in the Vatican's flag make it a red flag, or is only white and yellow? Too many trivial mostly subjective questions to implement colored flag categories. Overall, not a super strong case, but I think it's enough to settle on delete. Forbes72 (talk) 04:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete I don't share my fellow editors' sense of ambivalence on this one. Grouping flags from different times, different places, with different symbols together because they share two colors doesn't seem to aid navigation to me. Color certainly could be part of a solid category like Category:White Ensigns but not by itself. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify This is a valid idea to explore from a vexillology perspective, but by no means does every single article on a red and white flag require direct navigation to every other red and white flag (which is the purpose of a category). The flags' being red and white is overwhelmingly incidental, rather than being a choice related to other such-coloured flags. SFB 19:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. This seems to be a valid form of categorization - (unike the coats-of-arms-by-charge categories) each flag article should only be in one by-colours category. DexDor (talk) 09:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at List of flags by number of colors, I'm not sure each flag would be in just one color category. The ones at the bottom of the list with 10+ colors would probably too unusual to create a single category for. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But surely Category:Red and white flags is for flags that have only those colours. DexDor (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes—that's how this category is currently populated—with flags that only have red and white in it, and no other colours. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with this category, I just meant, if we expanded out this flag by colors tree, other flags with many colors would probably be in multiple categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rather prefer DexDor's idea of having each flag in (max) one color category. In other words, flags with three or more colors would then just not be categorized in a by-color tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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