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Category:Vegetarians

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. The Bushranger One ping only 02:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnpacklambert (talk • contribs) 18:54, 11 February 2013‎

  • Keep all - vegetarianism is not a "trivial trait". It is often rooted in deep-seated religious, spiritual or ethical beliefs. No reasonable case offered for deletion. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 03:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete—Although the New Zealand sub-category has not been nominated, it's the one I've analysed as I'm local. None of the six members of the sub-category are defined by their vegetarianism. Each is notable for other reasons. One of the articles doesn't mention vegetarianism and the other five only mention it in passing or briefly in the "personal life" section. One of them eats meat as well as veges. I assume that the other subcategories are similarly full of people who are not notable for their vegetarianism regardless of nominations by PETA for sexiness. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment when Vegatarianism is rooted in religion, we should be categorizing the people by their religion, not by one specific way they practice it. Anyway, there are lots of people who are vegetarians just as a fad, because of health issues, or for other reasons. It is a trivial trait. I have also seen some articles where the person is so categorized without any mention of it in the article, and very. Often when it is mentioned it is not clear it really is important enough to the person to be mentioned. I will add the remaining nationalities.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added Category:Colombian vegetarians
  • Added Category:Czech vegetarians
  • Added Category:Indian vegetarians
  • Added Category:New Zealand vegetarians
  • Addition comment This is a trivial trait. We do not categorize people by diet decisions. There is no reason to have vegetarain categories and not have other diet decision categories. These just encorage the inclusion of trivial information in articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:27, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the Colombian category for example consists of César López who is broderline notable at best. However there is no mention in the article about his diet choices at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This has several issues. One, verifiability. Is it enough to include someone in this category who was at any point in their life a vegetarian? Or will it be limited to only those who are currently vegetarians? If the latter, then it would be impossible to maintain, since even if it is reported that "X is a vegetarian", the fact that they may have stopped being one is often not reported. Two, if we include anyone who at any point has been reported as a vegetarian, it's a non-defining characteristic. Three, person X is reported as a vegetarian. Person Y posts evidence that Person X was seen eating meat somewhere, somehow, someplace. Does the tag stay? Benkenobi18 (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete trivial. Actually, JPL's comments are persuasive: next we'll be having Category:Circumcised people because that seems to be trendy (though, unlike vegetarianism, not susceptible to willy-nilly changes - pun intended). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; while perhaps not "trivial" in all cases, I doubt that the vast majority of these people are notable for being a vegetarian. If there is some such person, surely something like ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Vegetarian activists can suffice. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:15, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Los Angeles Misioneros

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 07:09, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. per WP:OVERCAT. It's all the same team. – Michael (talk) 20:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Minnesota Thunder (USL A-League) players

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 07:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. per WP:OVERCAT. – Michael (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Carolina Dynamo

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 07:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. It's the same team. WP:OVERCAT. – Michael (talk) 20:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User:Ammartivari

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete per precedent. Categories for pages relating to a single user are always deleted as failing the requirements in Wikipedia:User categories. Pichpich (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Redirect-Class United States articles of NA-importance

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This type of category exists for many projects, and there is no sign of either 1) a local consensus to remove it for WikiProject United States, or 2) a broader consensus to remove all such categories. The nominator or others may wish to start a wider discussion elsewhere on categorising redirects. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category is entirely redundant to Category:Redirect-Class United States articles as all redirects are automatically of NA importance. I do quite a lot of categorising redirects, and this is the only project I am aware of that has a category like this. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Before deleting, you'll need to edit {{WikiProject United States}}, so that the {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/qualimpintersect}} used in that banner has the parameter |SUPPRESS_NA_IMPORTANCE=yes set. Bear in mind that this will also affect the other nine subcategories of ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:NA-importance United States articles, such as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Template-Class United States articles of NA-importance, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Category-Class United States articles of NA-importance, etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:U.S. Pergocrema 1932 players

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The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 07:11, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Old club (company) folded, despite not a legal heir which bought the brand name, the new club located in same city (Crema) and refer to the same root, the original club found in the suburb of Pergoletto, Crema. (Pergolettese, a demonym of Pergoletto) Matthew_hk tc 13:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Matthew_hk tc 13:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hangzhou railway station stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename category, redirect template.
Note that Qetuth's comments about other other templates are outside the scope of this nomination. They would require a separate discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:31, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. City-specific category undersized. Propose switching both category and template to province-level category. Should allow for more taggable articles and will provide parallelism with other Chinese rail station categories. Dawynn (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rainbow Codes

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at CFD 2013 February 25. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:45, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a case of categorisation by shared naming characteristic. The category groups a variety of United Kingdom defense programs that were named under the "Rainbow Code" scheme (color+random word), that range from nuclear bombs to space launch vehicles and radar sets. While it is true that categories and lists are often complimentary, this category is wholly redundant to List of Rainbow Codes and should be deleted. The Bushranger One ping only 08:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Or else delete every category on WP. It's a triviality that all categories could be replaced by static lists, the question is whether that's a good idea or not.
This is a category with excellent defining characteristics. The group it identifies, "Cold War military projects of the UK", is a substantial and significant one (although note that not all "projects" were major enough to have rainbow codenames). Conditions for their inclusion are clear. There is also a benefit, as usual, to using annotational markup on an article to push an article into its category than to maintain a list that pulls them in. That said, the list also has value as an annotated overall description of them – particularly as many were renamed over time.
I fail to even understand why the nominator would wish to delete this category. It's not merely a justifiable category, it's a good example of why they're useful and appropriate. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this is category is (to be) deleted we could create an admin category (like Category:Redirects from ATC codes) for the redirects, and create some new redirects - e.g. "Red Dean (missile)" to make it complete. DexDor (talk) 20:58, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rainbow codes are far more than just a "shared name". If they are just a shared name and no more, then presumably you will also be AfDing List of Rainbow Codes, as any issues of notability would apply equally to a category or a list. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Andy, that's absolutely not how things work, as you should very well know. "Notability" has nothing to do with this category's nomination. It's because we don't categorise by shared name. The topic is extremely notable - for an article. Having a category that groups radars, nuclear bombs, missiles, etc. that have their only shared characteristic as their naming pattern, though, is not what the category system is for. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:16, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See the AfD section below, Bushranger is already seeking to delete Category:Cold War military equipment of the United Kingdom and all date-related military categories, because of WP:OC#PERF and the view that military conflicts should be treated the same as theatrical performances. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:38, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You might wish to rephrase your statement to reflect the facts. At no point have I stated I wish to delete "all date-related military categories". Weapons by conflict is not defining, but weapons by era is, and as I've said elsewhere the Cold War categories are just fine as by era instead of by conflict. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Boer War weapons and Gulf War equipment

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The result of the discussion was: delete (with some upmerges). This is not a referendum on the legitimacy of categorizing weapons by war in general. It is, however, a referendum on categorizing weapons by limited-length war for which the weapons were not designed. In the case of World War II, many weapons were created especially for the war; the Bat (guided bomb) was developed in 1941 and used by 1944. But the Gulf War wasn't a hot war for long enough for a single government design contract to be approved, let alone for a weapon to be designed, built, deployed, and used by the end of the war. The delete votes, of which there are many, provide a strong performer-by-performance rationale for this course of action.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Gulf War ships and List of Gulf War military equipment should be moved to Category:Gulf War.
Nominator's rationale: Categorizing a type of weapon by a war in which it's been used is against WP:DEFINING and WP:OC#PERFORM. Previous discussions about similar categories include Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_January_24#Category:Military_equipment_of_the_Falklands_War. Note: This nom is a step towards the deletion of most/all of Category:Military equipment by conflict. DexDor (talk) 06:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:OC#PERF I#ve added Category:Military aircraft of World War II to this nomination.
Nominator's rationale: As for Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_February_11#Boer_War_weapons_and_Gulf_War_equipment
If any one of these should be deleted per WP:OC#PERF, then all should go. Anything else would just be WP:RECENTISM. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - also Category:Military equipment of the Second Boer War, Category:Second Boer War military equipment of Australia and Category:Second Boer War weapons of Australia. As one of those categories contains an article a separate CFD may be needed. DexDor (talk) 07:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_February_16#Category:Military_equipment_of_the_Second_Boer_War DexDor (talk) 06:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all performer by performance. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per the above discussions. I just read this and the follow on nomination and I'm just not seeing a reason to keep these. I suppose that one could make a case that if some weapons were defined by their use in a single conflict, then maybe we could reconsider. As was pointed out, how many conflicts has the AK-47 been involved in? Or the M2 Browning? I suppose one could argue that we need a list, but how do you determine how many have to have been used to make it's use defining or includeable in a list? Note that this has been open for 6 weeks!Vegaswikian (talk) 00:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Numeronyms/Backronyms/Orphan initialisms

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories contain only articles (and redirects to articles) about subjects (e.g. organisations) whose name is ian initialism/numeronym/backronym and we categorise by article's subjects, not by characteristics of their name (the only exception to this is the Backronym article and that's already in the parent cat). DexDor (talk) 06:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep The nomination is a fallacy and begs the question: do we indeed not categorize by linguistic characteristics? Why not? We should categorize when there is value added by categorizing. If the grouping has value to readers, then it's a good candidate for categorization. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Would you like to tell us why you think the nom is a fallacy ? Categorizing by linguistic characteristics of the title causes several problems - e.g. (1) articles get renamed to a synonym without the category being changed, (2) articles get categorized by characteristics of the title instead of by characteristics of the subject and (3) if Category:Abbreviations (for example) contained every article whose title was an abbreviation (mainy thousands) it'd be difficult to find articles that are about abbreviations (e.g. Apocope and Xmas). DexDor (talk) 21:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aircraft manufactured by Algeria (etc)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Aircraft manufactured in Algeria. – Fayenatic London 20:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Aircraft types (like other vehicle types) are often manufactured under licence in many countries, but it's the country of design (also normally the original manufacturer) that's the defining characteristic. There's recently been a discussion about this at WikiProject Aircraft. The navbox on these pages refers to "Aircraft by nationality of original manufacturer" and this change will make it easier to resist pressure from some editors to place articles about aircraft manufactured only under licence in a country in that country's category. This change will also align the category with (for example) the categories below Category:Weapons by country. This nom is for a single category (to avoid placing a CFD tag on the other categories at this stage), but the intention is that if this category is renamed that the other (approx 60) similar categories below Category:Aircraft by country will be nominated for similar renaming. After renaming the editors at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft may purge the categories of any articles that are now ineligible. DexDor (talk) 06:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are currently no "Aircraft of..." categories so can you clarify ? DexDor (talk) 07:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Gah, my brain inverted the target and subject categories. Fixed. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Shintōhō

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Shintoho films. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category only contains one article. Mysterious Island (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It only contains one entry because the nominator has just emptied it.
See also Category:Shintoho Andy Dingley (talk) 15:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The category contained only one article when I proposed it for deletion. I did not remove any article from this category prior to the above proposal. Immediately after the above proposal, User:Andy Dingley added several articles to it: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. I have changed the category of these articles to Category:Shintoho due to the move of the main article. Mysterious Island (talk) 07:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That should have been done as a merge, not as a manual moving of the articles. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know what that means, can you please explain? Mysterious Island (talk) 08:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When a page gets moved to a different name, its category needs to be renamed/moved through the speedy renaming process, instead of having its contents manually moved one article at a time. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:59, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining. Mysterious Island (talk) 11:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The marks should be used, and the article should be fixed too. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thought that might be the case. I'm not sure which the bigger tempest in a teacup is: diacritics or hyphens... - The Bushranger One ping only 15:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Shintoho was recently moved from the macronned name at requested moves. Please refer to this discussion. Mysterious Island (talk) 07:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If our deliberate choice is to use the bare-ASCII form, because there is some good source-based reason to do so, then of course we should do that. The point is that category and article should be consistent, and that our usual practice (if we need macrons etc) is to keep the pages at the canonical form and to use redirects to handle the accessibility issues. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
MOdified move proposal per move of main article. Mangoe (talk) 12:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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