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Category:B.A.P

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:52, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:B.A.P (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Seems premature, given WP:OC#EPONYMOUS. The category contains only Category:B.A.P members and the article B.A.P. There are no categories or articles about albums, songs, concert tours, etc. that I can see. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Disambiguated constellations

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:51, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: Rename. These nominations are brought simply to conform the name formatting of the relevant article to that of the corresponding category. The articles are in the name format "FOO (constellation)", not "FOO constellation". These were opposed in the speedy section on the grounds of being "nonsensical and inelegant", which, I believe, is entirely subjective. I can just as easily allege that it is nonsensical and inelegant to have the article names and category names be in different formats. The relevant naming convention states: "Names of topic categories should be singular, normally corresponding to the name of a Wikipedia article." I don't know of any good reason to depart from this standard here: The name of the thing is "Orion", and it is a constellation. The name of the thing is not "Orion constellation". (It was also stated in opposition that "there is no need to distinguish them because of possible ambiguity with other categories having a similar name". I also disagree with this, as all of the names are inherently ambiguous without some disambiguation.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy nomination (not all the categories nominated below are included in the above nomination)
A full group discussion for those that have been proposed to the format "FOO (constellation)" is now found here. Individual discussions for the others will follow and will be noted here when started. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Further individual discussions are now posted: Canis Minor; Triangulum Australe; Corona Australis; Leo Minor; Piscis_Austrinus; Equuleus. At this stage I'm withdrawing the nominations for Category:Octans constellation, Category:Ursa Major constellation, Category:Ursa Minor constellation, Category:Antlia constellation, Category:Boötes constellation, Category:Telescopium constellation, Category:Microscopium constellation, Category:Canis Major constellation, Category:Horologium constellation, and Category:Puppis constellation on the grounds that these may well need some form of disambiguation. I may renominate them once the other discussions have been resolved. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Winneba

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Central Region (Ghana). Timrollpickering (talk) 13:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Winneba (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Featured pictures of Foo. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:00, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: The current titles are incorrect as they reference nationality rather than country. Three options come to mind: Featured pictures of Foo, to mirror Category:Images of Australia and similar; Foo featured pictures; and Foo-related featured pictures. I have no preference at this time. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ghana eye care

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Eye care in Ghana. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Ghana eye care (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. It contains four articles. I have put List of eye care facilities in Ghana up for deletion and two are up for merging into Optometry in Ghana although that does not have a huge bearing on deleting the category since they can easily be upmerged. Also, it does not form part of an established categorisation scheme. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Northern America WikiProjects

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The result of the discussion was: Delete/Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Category:Northern America WikiProjects (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Upmerge Category:Northern America WikiProjects members to Category:WikiProject North America participants
Nominator's rationale: These categories form unnecessary intermediate layers between Category:Regional WikiProjects and Category:Regional WikiProjects members and categories of WikiProject Foo and WikiProject Foo members, respectively, for the U.S., Canada and Greenland. Upmerging is not required, except for the members subcategory, as all subcategories already appear in the appropriate top-level parents. From an organizational standpoint, nothing is gained by splitting lightly populated North American project categories between Northern America and Middle America. See the discussion for the recently deleted Cat:Afro-Eurasia WikiProjects. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pre-Contact Hawaiian royalty

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Ancient Hawaiian royalty - jc37 01:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Pre-Contact Hawaiian royalty to Category:Pre-contact Hawaiian royalty
Nominator's rationale: Caps. Alternately delete as overcategorization. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

note: I notified WP:HAWAII. Let's leave this open for a little longer to see if anyone shows. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Second Choice Even though "Ancient Hawaiian royalty" seems a little vague to me, since it's the rename getting the most traction I favor that over the current name. (My suggested rename was too long anyway.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:West Indian Nobel laureates

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:West Indian Nobel laureates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Unnecessary level of categorization within Category:Nobel laureates by nationality. That category isn't large enough to warrant by-continent splitting. Pichpich (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:Nobel laureates by nationality. The nom is correct that this is overcategorisation, but upmerger is a better solution because it will ensure that the subcats are correctly parented. (if they are correctly parented, then merger does no harm). ---BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this and the related unnecessary ones - this is just one of several unnecessary and underpopulated categories in the Category:Nobel laureates by nationality. It is more relevant to categorise these people by the subject for which they receive their prize and in the case of scientists the institution they did their work at. The rest of it is really coincidental. If at some time in the future, Nobel laureates are created in any of these nationalities we can easily recreate the categories:
Nobel laureates by nationality
Category:Bangladeshi Nobel laureates‎
Category:Bulgarian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Burmese Nobel laureates‎
Category:Chilean Nobel laureates‎
Category:Colombian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Costa Rican Nobel laureates‎
Category:Croatian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Cypriot Nobel laureates‎
Category:East Timorese Nobel laureates‎
Category:Ghanaian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Greek Nobel laureates‎
Category:Guatemalan Nobel laureates‎
Category:Icelandic Nobel laureates‎
Category:Iranian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Kenyan Nobel laureates‎
Category:Liberian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Lithuanian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Luxembourgian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Mauritian Nobel laureates‎
Category:New Zealand Nobel laureates‎
Category:Nigerian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Pakistani Nobel laureates‎
Category:Palestinian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Peruvian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Portuguese Nobel laureates‎
Category:Punjabi Nobel laureates‎
Category:Saint Lucian Nobel laureates‎
Category:Slovenian Nobel laureates‎
Category:South Korean Nobel laureates‎
Category:Taiwanese Nobel laureates‎
Category:Trinidad and Tobago Nobel laureates‎
Category:Turkish Nobel laureates‎
Category:Venezuelan Nobel laureates‎
Category:Vietnamese Nobel laureates‎
Category:Yemeni Nobel laureates‎
Category:Yugoslav Nobel laureates‎

Green Giant (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Newspapers by language of India

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This appears to be part of a wider structure of Category:Categories by language of India, and it may be better to discuss all of the sub-cats of Category:Categories by language of India together. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Newspapers by language of India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Just because something is written in a language that comes from India does not mean that it is Indian media. (e.g. Tamil-language media from Sri Lanka.) Why would we categorize like this? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People who did not finish High school

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People who did not finish High school (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic per WP:CAT, not useful per WP:CLN doesn't fit within the categorisation schemes listed on WP:COP -in short Cruft Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 15:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If kept, the spelling should be corrected: The term "high school" is not a proper noun and the "h" should be lowercase. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Unless Vincelord actually meant a high school called "High school" in which case he could add nearly every BLP on the encyclopaedia.Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I created the category in question, and i feel it should remain for many reasons, First droping out of school is a major point in a persons life that Wikipedia users who are intereseted in the people listed in the category might weant to know about. Second, there are categories for what college a person went to, so why not a separate category for people who did not finish school, isn't that also noteworthy. Finally, since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia inteneded to educate people i feel it is a category that should remain, especially when you look at all the notable people who didn't finish school.Vincelord (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support deletion, per reasons given by the nominator. Also, the reasons a notable person may have not finished high school are so varied, it is not meaningful to group them together in such a catagory, imo.--Racerx11 (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weirdly people like Ozzy Osbourne were added [1] - Ozzy went to secondary school (if we take the two to be comparable) but there was no requirement to finish ever year available to you in a UK Schools, and no Graduation if you complete every year available to you. Ozzy legitimately finished Secondary School at 15 and embarked on a vocational placement; Also added was Adolf Hitler who completed secondary school at 16 and applied unsuccessfully to gain a higher education from the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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More Terminology by author

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose upmerging Category:Terminology of Jacques Lacan
Propose upmerging Category:Terminology of Sigmund Freud
Propose upmerging Category:Terminology of Félix Guattari
Propose upmerging Category:Terminology of Gilles Deleuze
Nominator's rationale: Per this Carl Jung nomination and this one on Jacques Derrida and the parent category, we have decided against categorization of terms by the authors that used them (whether or not they invented them). These should be upmerged and in some cases purged from some of their categories. The Deleuze and Guattari categories were created after the decision to delete the Jung category, and after a community decision to require User:Stefanomione to stop creating categories of a type deemed unworkable by the CfD community. It seems to me that he does not understand the purpose of this action.--Mike Selinker (talk) 12:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to author categories, which are too small to support themselves otherwise. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is the first such case I've seen since his ANI. His other work has been fine, from what I've seen. I guess we'd need to see another, more clear-cut case before considering a request for a block. Also, Mike, did you not mean to add the parent Category:Terminology by author to this nom? It was left untouched by the closing admin last time, because "The problem with deleting Category:Terminology by author is, what happens to the included categories?" But now that all the subcats are being proposed for deletion (including the ones added by Stefanomione after the first 2 CfDs) then the whole structure can go, too. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was not suggesting a block, more of a statement that this is exactly the kind of thing he should stop doing right now. As for the parent, I did not feel it was necessary to renominate it, since the deletion of these categories will leave it ready for deletion as per the last nomination.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'm really perplexed by Stefanomione's creation of the last two despite the ANI discussion and pretty clear agreement at CfD that such categories were not welcome. Pichpich (talk) 20:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black blogs

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:African American blogs. The Bushranger One ping only 20:25, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Black blogs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: What is this? It was previously (erroneously) subcategorized under Category:American bloggers...? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is the relevant CfD page. I'm the creator, but as the short discussion on the page indicates, there was apparently once a precedent to create this sub-category and include it in larger categories. If that precedent is gone, I don't see why it shouldn't be deleted. Leo 08:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Atlanta

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The result of the discussion was: merge, as requested by creator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:People from Atlanta to Category:Wikipedians in Atlanta, Georgia
Nominator's rationale: Looks like a mistake for Category:People from Atlanta, Georgia, but only page is a user page. LeSnail (talk) 05:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television series set in the ####

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to rename (in this nomination) or to delete (per the other nomination).--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Television series set in the #### to Category:Television set in the ####
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I know the redlinks from my use of non-existent categories above may make this look a bit strange, but they are in reference to the many period television series categories listed at Category:Period television series, specifically the ones with decade ranges, currently Category:Television series set in the 1900s up through Category:Television series set in the 1980s, with Category:Television shows set in the 2010s breaking the existing naming convention. (And what about the 1990's? Oh, well...) Changing these to "Television" instead of "Television series" would allow for individual episodes (time travel shows, anthology series, TV specials, TV movies, etc.), essentially any Television that is not the entire series, but can and should be included. I've noted that some individual episodes are already listed in some of these categories, so this subtle renaming would serve to clarify what appears to be an existing trend. 4.254.80.25 (talk) 05:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's an intriguing idea, and several suitable individual episodes come to mind – most of them, however, are redirects to season articles. However, if we do start categorizing individual episodes and other television by period of setting, should they be grouped together with television series or within a separate category tree? One option would be to create Category:Television set in the ####s as a parent category, rather than a replacement, of Category:Television series set in the ####s; then, series articles would be subcategorized while episodes could be placed in the higher-level 'Television set in...' category. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This too easily sets up WP:OR situations. Shows broadcast in the 60s may appear to be "set" in the 60s, but that doesn't mean they are. And often shows are set to be "modern", or "current" to the viewing audience. (Consider most sitcoms and dramas, especially the so called "procedurals".) So quite often, these will be mostly or nearly identical to "produced in ####". Plus, do flashbacks count? And how about The Wonder Years? Is it "set" in the time of the narrator? How I Met Your Mother, for another one. And what about time travelling ones? Heroes (TV series) had episodes set in several time periods, even in the same episode. (See also Narrative_mode#Narrative_tense.) If wanted/needed. these should be handled by era/by period, and not by numerical year. - jc37 23:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What The?! - Delete? Bringing up the idea has made someone suggest the categories not be somehow renamed, modified, or expanded or reduced, but wiped out? (How else am I to interpret "Delete"?) Now where did I leave that MIB neuralyzer? OK, enough panicking. Sure, there may be some problems with what gets put in those categories, and maybe some more rules need to be established, but I was glad to see those categories established since movies have enjoyed classification by date (down to the year) and decade specification seems appropriate but not overkill for TV with lots of room for growth. But that growth could (and to an extent already has) include individual episodes, be they about time travel, anthology series episodes that have broad date ranges, the occasional flashback episode, or a TV special that's not considered a TV movie (perhaps best classified as a film). Since I proposed the above renaming, I've come to reconsider. Dropping "series" from the categories might somehow be a deterrent from further series classification, and make series get all jumbled with non-series, but not doing so would be blatantly inaccurate for television that isn't a series (They should be able to go somewhere, right?) So maybe Category:Television set in the #### should be for where Category:Television series set in the #### are contained, but then that creates a disconnect by placing them another level further down from Category:Period television series, which is itself inaccurately named if it is to contain non-series television. CAN O' WORMS! Um...help?! 4.254.84.75 (talk) 06:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I had in mind a structure such as:
    Category:Period television
    Category:Television set in the ####s
    Category:Television series set in the ####s
    Category:Period television series
    Category:Television series set in the ####s
    The question remains, of course, whether we really want to do this and, if so, how. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: In your proposed hierarchy, Television should probably be Television shows, per previous consensus at the WikiProject and elsewhere. - jc37 22:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    There are few topics which I think should be split by decade, much less by year. And I believe all of those are real-life events, not elements of fiction. When we start to look for such specificity in fiction as we do for real-life events, we usually find that WP:V slips away like sand through our fingers. It does exist, in some cases, but it's hardly common, and in this case, sets up categories that due to our WP:V/WP:OR policies, can never be "complete". And so it invites WP:OR from enthusiastic editors wanting to try to "complete" such categories. Because of this, and many other issues which need references and explanatory text, this is data that's just better handled by a list, if at all. - jc37 22:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    On further reflection, I am in agreement with you. Categorization of this type – of a work of fiction by an element of its fictional plot and in context of a real-world classification scheme – is always problematic. In addition to the problem of original research, it fails to distinguish between a decade in the real world and a decade in a fictional universe. The decade of the 2010s in one fictional universe is not directly comparable to the same decade in another fictional universe. The author of a work of fiction has the power to define the times however they wish, unconstrained even by normal flow of time (e.g. time travel, alternate timelines). The situation is complicated further when one takes into account when a work of fiction was created: a vision of the 2010s in a work of fiction produced in the 1910s is likely to be much different than a vision of the same decade in a work of fiction produced in the 2000s. Lists of television series by period of setting may be workable, but even they will need a good, properly sourced start and vigilant maintenance to identify and remove good-faith original additions. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A larger discussion about whether this category tree should exist at all is occurring at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 18#Category:Works by decade of setting. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Trojan objects

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Trojans (astronomy). Timrollpickering (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Trojan objects to Category:Trojan objects (astronomy) or Category:Trojans (astronomy)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The main article about these objects is Trojan (astronomy). We should rename to either of Category:Trojan objects (astronomy) or Category:Trojans (astronomy) to make it clear what this category is for. It is not for objects related to any of the other stuff called "Trojan". Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Astronomy unclassified categories

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The result of the discussion was: Keep all. Categories have been redefined to clearly indicate that they are for scientifically unclassified objects. (Note that Category:Unclassified star clusters is currently empty and thus C1 eligible, though.) - The Bushranger One ping only 23:10, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Propose upmerging Category:Unclassified star clusters to Category:Star clusters
Propose upmerging Category:Unclassified galaxies to Category:Galaxies
Propose upmerging Category:Unclassified stars to Category:Stars
Propose upmerging Category:Unclassified astronomical objects to Category:Astronomical objects
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. These categories are not for astronomical objects that are inherently "unclassifiable", they are just categories containing articles that haven't yet been properly categorized in Wikipedia yet. Thus, their contents can just be upmerged to the appropriate parent to await categorization. Another option would be to convert them into hidden categories used solely for administration/editing of WP. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose these are categories that should be for objects that have not been scientifically classified as yet, not for objects that on Wikipedia lack categorization. We can clean up the categories to make it function that way. 70.49.126.147 (talk) 05:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. These are for objects that are Unclassified because they have not been studied in enough detail. -- Kheider (talk) 08:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Has anyone actually read the category definitions? Category:Unclassified star clusters explicitly states: "Please help categorize any stars listed here." Category:Unclassified stars explicitly states: "Please help categorize any stars listed here." Category:Unclassified galaxies explicitly states: ""Please help categorize any galaxies listed here." And has anyone looked at the stars and galaxies included in these articles? There is nothing in the articles that states that these are inherently "unclassifiable" at this time. On the contrary, many of the them are already classified in other relevant star or galaxy categories! Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • The description can be corrected, as I stated in my oppose opinion. "unclassified" is a valid science-based categorization. 70.24.245.141 (talk) 04:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • So you are committing to fixing the definitions and cleaning out the categories? None of the articles I have looked at in any of the articles have said anything about being "unclassified". If these categories were meant to be what you say they can be (and I don't think that they ever were) it would essentially be populated by a large amount of WP:OR. (It's also confusing as to whether you are the same user who posted above, since the IPs are different.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • My IP rollsover whenever it rains (and keeps rolling over while raining)... (I suspect my ISP has a faulty circuit somewhere exposed to the elements) ; Yes, I am willing to check the standard databases (SIMBAD, NED) to see if the articles currently occupying these categories have been classified or not, and then correcting the ones that have been classified. 70.24.251.224 (talk) 04:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – because this encourages a lack of category diffusion. Regards, RJH (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kheider and others. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 18:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Don't mind cleaning out the cats either...Benkenobi18 (talk) 13:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- As a matter of principle, we do not like "other" categories. They should be in the parent until they can be classified. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge Content categories and maintenance categories should be clearly separated. Readers typically don't see the hatnote explaining the purpose of the category and it's natural for them to incorrectly assume that an unclassified star is a star that science has failed to classify instead of a star that Wikipedia has yet to classify properly. Besides, it's not even clear that the category is being used properly since a large chunk of stars in Category:Unclassified stars are also in other star categories. Pichpich (talk) 20:41, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think the gist of these categories is not that WP hasn't classified them, but that science hasn't. Now, the problem arises when scientists disagree, say, on whether "Foo" is or is not a "Bar" - is Foo categorized or not? But methinks that subtle finery seems handled in more mundane categorization schemes we have: was it suicide or murder? Is Jimmy Hoffa dead or alive? etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delay consideration so 70... can clean up descriptions and contents. If this is an external, definable list that have been officially deisgnated as "unclassified", that's different than a Wikipedia-based category. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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