Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zebunisa Jilani

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Despite multiple relists, there has been little participation and no agreement about the relevance of the sources or the appropriate disposition of the article. RL0919 (talk) 05:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zebunisa Jilani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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WP:NOTPROMO; there is no significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable sources (excluding PR) and notability cannot be inherited by descent or marriage or trivial association with a Nobel awardee. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per WP:BASIC, there appear to be a variety of sources over time that support her notability and could help expand the article, e.g. War calls back princess to a long-ago homeland (The National News, 2009), A princess returns to the Swat Valley (Globe and Mail, 2010), The girl who stood up to Taliban coming to Providence (The Providence Journal, 2016), The Target (Vanity Fair, 2013), The heroes of Swat (Daily Times, Op-Ed, 2018), Opening of high school for girls in remote Swat village lauded (Dawn, 2019), A Pennington group comes to the aid of women and children in Pakistan (Central Jersey, 2020), Local Rotary club aids village in Pakistan (Times Standard, 2020). Beccaynr (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The articles in The Providence Journal (2016) as well as Vanity Fair (2013) are about Malala Yousafzai. The mentions about Jilani are trivial and it is ridiculous to claim that they contribute to the notability of our subject in any manner. (WP:BASIC notes, trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.)

  The article in The Times Standard (2020) is obviously a press-release and even then, a trivial mention.

  Central Jersey.com has an interesting form and I suspect the reliability of the media organization. No details about editorial policies or a list of staff can be located.

  That leaves us with The Globe and Mail (2010) and The National News (2009) which are not sufficient for passing GNG. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:06, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  From my view, The National News and The Globe and Mail both provide significant, in-depth coverage about her and her career, and provide substantial support for notability per WP:GNG. Per WP:BASIC, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability, with the exception of trivial coverage, and I listed The Providence Journal first because it provides context for the Vanity Fair article, and includes biographical and career information for Jilani, in addition to her connection to Malala Yousafzai, so it does not appear to be trivial. When combined with the notice from Vanity Fair in its extensive profile of Yousafzai, which also includes Jilani's biographical and career information, this does not appear to be trivial, and therefore adds some support to her notability.

  I also share your concern about PR pieces, including because when I searched on Proquest, I found what appeared to be an article written by an advertising agency, and did not include it as a source here. However, the 2019 coverage in Dawn is bylined to a newspaper correspondent and notes progress since the founding of SRI and mentions Jilani's role as a co-founder and president, as well as some biographical information, so it does not appear trivial. I also included the 2018 Daily Times op-ed with commentary about her and SRI because the author is "the Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at American University, Washington, DC, and author of Journey into Europe: Islam, Immigration, and Identity".

  Central Jersey.com appears to be a local newspaper publishing group, and the 2020 article is bylined to a staff writer, so while the publication clearly solicits press releases, this standard way of obtaining news leads from the community does not appear sufficient to eliminate the article as a source. The Times Standard publishes guidelines about how it uses press releases and how they verify information and turn it into news coverage, so the ongoing coverage of Jilani, her work, and biographical information does not appear trivial or unreliable.

  From my view, the first two sources provide a solid foundation to support notability, and then the ongoing coverage helps provide additional support per WP:BASIC that can also help expand the article, which also needs editing to remove puffery. Beccaynr (talk) 13:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Beccanyr TrangaBellam clearly does not how to determine notability or is trying to remove articles on Pakistani notables. Neither Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb or Miangul Zebunisa aka Zebunisa Jilani is notable solely for being a Royal or Noble. Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb is an Islamabad High Court Justice and I don't see TrangaBellam proposing deleting Dhirubhai Naranbhai Patel. Zebunisa Jilani is a foundation director whose former intern is Malala Yusafzai.RichardBond (talk) 02:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge (selective) >>>> Swat Relief Initiative. Djflem (talk) 13:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Good alternative! TrangaBellam (talk) 14:01, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:03, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 04:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This in-depth source that includes biographical and career information also supports her WP:GNG notability: Wali-e-Swat’s granddaughter striving to serve underprivileged people of valley (The News International, 2011, archived April 14, 2014). Beccaynr (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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