Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zachary Taylor Wood

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that they are different people, and therefore to keep. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I am nominating Zachary Taylor Wood for deletion because I am led to beleive that this person may be the same person as Stuart Wood. I say this because there are no sources showing him as a separate person, and the RCMP's list of former Commissioners does not include him, but does include Stuart. There is also a grave, shown here: http://www.rcmpgraves.com/commissioner/wood.html, showing the name "Stuart Zachary Taylor Wood" on the headstone. According to the RCMP site, as I stated above, (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/former-rcmp-commissionershttp://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/former-rcmp-commissioners), Stuart is the only member of the Wood family to serve in the top rank, and no sources have contradicted this to date. Likewise, all of our sources have shown the Stuart Wood's father was John Taylor Wood, not Zachary. (This article states that John Taylor Wood is Zachary Taylor's father as well, which would be impossible, if Stuart is supposedly Zachary's son). I have been unable to locate any publication confirming Zachary Taylor Wood's existance, only that of Stuart Zachary Taylor Wood. All this leads me to beleive that this is a duplicate article created out of confusion somewhere, given that Stuart Zachary's name seems to get varied from site to site, which may have caused the misconception. I previously nominated this article for WP:Speedy, under WP:A10 on two occasions, however both were unsuccessful due to unsourced objections from other editors, hence I've brought it here, suggesting that we either Merge it with Stuart Wood, and/or Delete it altogether. Fhsig13 (talk) 01:57, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep as I think they´re different people, and suppose you go on with the discussion of the identity without directly requesting a deletion if need be. For example the page you brought up for the grave (rcmpgraves) has a page about Stuart stating Zachary to be the father, putting him as Assistant Commissioner, which would make clear why not being listed as Commissioner, right over here. A quick google search brings the same information (father of the later and Assistant) in several books and on several pages. More importantly, Zachary is listed as Commissioner of Yukon and included at their governmental page (with dates and picture) right over here. ...GELongstreet (talk) 13:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @GELongstreet: I beleive that the Yukon government may just be listing Stuart Zachary under a variation of his name, omitting his first name, which as I stated before, has seemed to occur on multiple occasions. Also, if Zachary Taylor Wood was never Commissioner of the RCMP (acting or otherwise), I begin questioning his notability. Fhsig13 (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • For not mixing things up I think it would be beneficial if we´d refer to them as Zachary and Stuart, respectively, otherwise nobody will know who is meant. Zachary`s dates are given as born in 1860, in Yukon at 1902 and death in 1915. Stuart as born in 1889, would have been 13 years old at that time in Yukon, and live until 1966. You´re talking about a whole generation missing (or being invented instead). Both men have attested service times and life dates. A father and a son. It is very possible that a variation of a name is used in files due to several first names - but I see nothing that says only a single person was meant, to the contrary. And notabiliy is a different question so if you want him deleted because being non-notable I suppose you accordingly change your request. ...GELongstreet (talk) 19:47, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have seen no attested service dates for Zachary, and I can't find sources for him either. That said, I think the author may have simply confused some dates, and as a result someone new got invented. Fhsig13 (talk) 20:03, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • So once you drop the only-one-person idea it seems to resolve into a question of content and sourcing (which again should be on the article talk page). And it seems logical to tag the authors of most of the article: @Fat pig73: @Victoriaedwards:. ...GELongstreet (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Different people (e.g. see - [1]). Is the namesake of a rather tall mountain - Mount Wood (Yukon).[2] Sourcing available - [3][4] Seems also he may have been acting commissioner as some point.Icewhiz (talk) 12:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if they are different people, the sourcing needs major improvement, especially in reference to proving that he led the RCMP at some point. There is no accurate source for that, however there are many for Stuart Zachary, thus I think Zachary Taylor's identity was either fabricated or confused with his father's (Stuart's), in terms of the RCMP. Fhsig13 (talk) 19:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Read [5] Kraose (talk) 09:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep different people. Kraose (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Clearly different people. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Kraose:@Necrothesp: By what standard are they different people? No reliable sources exist to prove this, and the dates coincide in most instances, making it worthy of at best a Merge.

Zachary Taylor Wood (1860–1915). Stuart Wood (1889–1966). In what way do the dates coincide? Who's Who, which is a highly reliable source, has entries for both of them and states clearly that Stuart Wood (the article should be renamed Stuart Taylor Wood, incidentally, as that appears to be the name he used) was Zachary Taylor Wood's son. Most definitely different people. This AfD needs to be closed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:04, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And here is the announcement of Assistant Commissioner Zachary Taylor Wood's CMG in the London Gazette (bottom name in the right-hand column). The CMG, incidentally, is considered sufficient for notability to be established in its own right. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.