Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Kickboxing Association

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The result was no consensus. Modussiccandi (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World Kickboxing Association

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Fails GNG Zafir94 (talk) 05:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Martial arts, and New Zealand. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment How does this fail WP:GNG? I can see it mentioned in quite a few sources and it appears to be a notable organization? Simeon (talk) 09:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete.~~ All references used in the article are the primary sources. In order to pass WP:GNG, the reliable and independent of the subject sources must be in place, significant coverage is required. None of this has been established. Just because someone 'personally' knows about the organization does not make it notable. Zafir94 (talk) (your deletion nomination is considered a vote to Delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC))[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Sadly, this is another organization that seems to be have diminished in stature. More importantly, my search did not find the significant independent coverage required to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 16:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Papaursa, was that a web search you did? The organization was formed in 1976. WP:NOTTEMPORARY may apply. If it diminished before the internet, that could explain an empty search. ~Kvng (talk) 13:54, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kvng Yes, it was a web search but my view is also shaped by previous involvement with kickboxing. I was the person who originally recommended WKA-Pro world titles for showing notability when WP:NKICK was created. I've been familiar with the WKA and some of its events for decades, so I didn't make this vote lightly. If someone can show sources that meet WP:GNG please let me know and I'll be happy to change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Papaursa, consider what your !vote would have been in 1980 or whenever this organization was at its peak, that's what WP:NOTTEMPORARY is about. ~Kvng (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I'd ever have been able to find the sourcing required by WP:GNG, though I wouldn't rule out the possibility of sources existing. The problem is that what I ran across was about their events and individuals competing in them, which would have to be considered passing mentions from a WP standpoint. Papaursa (talk) 20:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep It's one of the governing bodies in kickboxing, one of the oldest, with World and Euro Championships. It offers us the notability for fighters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_arts/Kickboxing_task_force In my opinion you should just ask for more documentation. Certainly without even more sources such articles should not disappear from Wikipedia. Or we can all go... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/World_Kickboxing_Network equals WAKO! It must be reinstated. Zafir94, but you know this mate.! Zbreller (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article is almost completely reliant on primary sources, and I have yet to come across any coverage to suggest this promotion passed WP:GNG at any point. Whether it was a major promotion or not is irrelevant if it cannot pass notability guidelines. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 16:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep One of the most notable Kickboxing governing bodies in the history of the sport of kickboxing, was formed in 1976. They have paved the way for modern kickboxing. WKA has had a measurable significant impact on sports as per WP:ORGSIG. Lethweimaster (talk) 19:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable, but needs a sourced rewrite. Saintstephen000 (talk)

Comment It would be good if some of the people voting keep could show some significant independent coverage of the organization in reliable sources. All of the various kickboxing organizations currently listed at AfD have been significant, in varying degrees, to kickboxing--that's not the issue. The issue is showing that they meet at least one of WP's notability criteria. Otherwise, we're looking at WP:ILIKEIT. I'd love to see these pages kept, but only if they're WP notable. If good sources can be provided for any of these organizations, I hope someone lets me know so I can change my vote(s). Papaursa (talk) 10:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Be careful not to WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. It's easy to fall into that trap - I've done it before myself! Lethweimaster (talk) 11:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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