Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Cloud (steamship)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to List of ships of the Confederate States Navy. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

White Cloud (steamship) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Transport ship used by the Confederates and captured during the Civil War. From the same sockmaster that brought us CSS Ida (AfD discussion) and CSS Manassas (clipper) (AfD discussion). A sock was responsible for CSS Jeff Davis (1863 steamship) (AfD discussion). As it is, we have no context for this vessel except for the three sentences taken from DANFS. Silverstone's Warships of the Civil War Navies devotes a single sentence to this vessel. Lytle's "Merchant Steam Vessels of the United States 1807-1868" lists 5 White Clouds and a White Cloud No. 2; this is apparently a different White Cloud as that one was in Union service during the 1862 Ft. Donelson campaign but this one was not captured from the CSA until 1863. There's so little to work with her that I think expansion would be almost impossible due to the inability to distinguish this ship from others with the same name. Hog Farm _Talk 01:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Transportation. Hog Farm _Talk 01:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Redirect If significant coverage in reliable sources (and, no, including it in a registry book doesn't count as significant coverage) can't be shown, then it fails to meet WP:GNG, the basic notability requirement considered before even any possible higher requirements, like WP:CORP for corporation articles. I feel like there's quite a few insignificant ship articles that are sourced only to single lines in registry books floating around that should be redirected to some list article instead. Silverseren^C 01:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, United States of America, and Illinois. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:21, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to List of ships of the Confederate States Navy. Too little sourced info or notability to justify a standalone article. Merging to the list page would allow retention of a sentence or two of referenced info, and put this vessel in appropriate context as one of dozens of similar craft that saw similar Confederate service. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The tricky part is that it would be problematic to leave a redirect pointing to the CSA ships page at the current title. There were other steamships of this name, including the apparently distinct Union one referenced at the Battle of St. Charles article so there's no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here for the leftover redirect. I also have concerns about WP:DUEWEIGHT; there were scores of ships used in this fashion by the CSA and there needs to be some sort of inclusion criteria for the list. Hog Farm _Talk 01:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I guess, though there's probably not an infinite number of such vessels. Might be an interesting starting point for a future Confederate steamship editor? But perhaps I'm too optimistic. As a second choice, we could merge the one or two lines of additional info on this article into USS New Era, where the capture is already mentioned. -- Euryalus (talk) 02:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - See AFD CSS Manassas (clipper) Same blocked sock master. Not enough content to keep this. — Maile (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of ships of the Confederate States Navy unless proper sourcing can be found. Article is completely unsourced and fails WP:V. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge content to List of ships of the Confederate States Navy per Euryalus, with or without redirect - the sourcing for that is fine. If there are multiple targets, better to replace with List of ships named White Cloud if other targets materialise. Davidships (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.