Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wellow School

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The result was merge to Wellow, Hampshire. Black Kite (t) 14:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wellow School

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Non-notable primary school. First reference is just a link to the school itself. Second doesn't really discuss the school, only the head teacher. Third reference does discuss school, but one reference in a local paper is not enough to meet WP:GNG. I prodded, but it was removed soon after; note that simply existing is not sufficient to have a WP article--the school must meet our notability rules (see WP:GNG). Qwyrxian (talk) 15:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Added a source

I added a source to identify the school, it is just as noteworthy as any other primary school in the UK. I can edit it so it meets Wikipedia's notability rules WP:GNG), and therefore it should not be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrAmberGold (talk • contribs) 16:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets all the qualifications for a stub article as I can see. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Wellow, Hampshire. Fails to satisfy WP:ORG. Elementary schools , per common outcomes of AFD, get merged to their community's or school district's or sponsoring organization's article. Directory listings or run of the mill coverage in local papers do not satisfy WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 21:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Wellow, Hampshire. Unfortunately, the argument "it is just as noteworthy as any other primary school" doesn't matter because the established practice is that primary schools are not normally notable unless there is a good reason to be an exception. It shouldn't be too hard to put all the encyclopaedic information into the Wellow article. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I should clarify that merging/redirecting is the appropriate result per standard AfD outcomes. I just knew that this would have to go through AfD (i.e., that if I simply redirected myself it would have been reverted), so the discussion to verify non-notability was necessary. Also, Chris Neville-Smith's point is very important: most primary schools are not notable, and any articles on other primary schools without independent notability should receive the same treatment. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "it is just as noteworthy as any other primary school in the UK". Quite, and articles on primary schools are almost invariably deleted. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Stats may show that primary school articles are in fact almost invariably redirected. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessarily so, since the chances of anyone searching for them are pretty low! -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it should now be more notewothy as an extra reference has been added, to identify the school a bit more SuperRepublic (talk)SuperRepublicSuperRepublic (talk) 08:52, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but what makes it more notable than other primary schools? Nothing, as far as I can see. It's just a bog standard village school like any other. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:55, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then why should other bog standard village schools be included on Wikipedia and not this one, it's an information site after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperRepublic (talk • contribs) 09:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to get the community to change their opinion on primary schools then. Currently, the consensus is that, just like any other organization except for high schools and universities, must meet our notability requirements. Also, please note that SuperRepublic is almost certainly the same editor as User:MrAmberGold; an SPI is being opened right now. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, to clarify, the added source is still a primary source, so it still doesn't establish notability. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, they are not. Primary schools do not generally have articles. Where have you seen articles on village primary schools on Wikipedia? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:02, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly enough, the sock (MrAmberGold blocked indef, SuperRepublic blocked a week) has a good point. Take a look at Category:Primary schools in Hampshire. For that matter, take a look at Category:Primary schools in England. OMG. Some of them are single line stubs; I've so far found only 1 with a reference. I'm going to start looking at these over the next few days. I'll probably just redirect every one that doesn't have good references, then XfD each one that gets undone. I guess I know what I'll be doing with my WP cleanup time for the next few days/weeks. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Either these articles should be deleted or they are exceptions for specific reasons of notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have cleaned it up and added some sources; and there is more that can be added to meet WP:GNG. Most primary schools are nn but there are exceptions and I see no reason why this should not be one; it is a historic school with the Florence Nightingale connection and I think that the Project is better off with this article than without it. TerriersFan (talk) 03:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would be an exception if those sources established notability, but they do not. [www.thisishampshire.net/news/8736400.Schools_march_up_the_league_tables/ This is Hampshire article] only lists the school in a list of 5 other schools, with no specific information about Wellow. The Romsey Advertiser article only mentions that the school is getting a new name on the library. The Diocese of Winchester article doesn't even mention the school by name, and all it says is that they have a plaque given by the Nightingale family. None of these sources actually talk about the school. In other words, the first source just mentions it as one of a number of schools with no special notability, and the latter two don't talk about it so much as a school as they do a place that happens to have some historical artifacts/connection to a historical subject (and, of course, notability is not inherited). Trivial mentions in a variety of local papers are not sufficient to meet GNG or any other test of notability. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, or at least merge and redirect to the locality. I agree with TerriersFan, but notability is not inherited. Nevertheless, the important backlink to Nightingale provides historical significance. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Wellow, Hampshire as above. I fail to see any proof that this does or can satisfy WP:ORG. The fact that Florence Nightingale's family donated the original school building does not automatically grant notability. Trusilver 00:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have now added a book about the school. Not a big book; in fact a very little book but, nonetheless, a book that addresses the school directly and in detail. TerriersFan (talk) 01:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep, I just happened to accidently click on this site and In my opinion I think it should be kept because it looks like it has some historical significance, being that it was founded by Florence nightingale and also there are other Primary schools on Wikipedia that have less significance than this, some are even just stubs being described by 1 simple sentence like this one [1] and the next one only includes 2 paragraphs of information with little significance [2]. I think it now meets WP:ORG as it it clearly states that if it's noteworthy and has references that are fully verifiable then it should be on Wikipedia (like it says on the policy), It is noteworthy and it has been cleaned up by TerriersFan. Supersilver10 (talk) 11:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)Supersiver34Supersilver10 (talk) 11:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC) Obvious sock is obvious (look at user's contribution history, including blanking of the talk pages of the previous socks. SPI already opened. Qwyrxian (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Wellow, Hampshire. The article at present doesn't present significant enough coverage to satisfy WP:ORG and per precendent without this it really should be redirected to a parent article. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 01:03, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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