Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warwick Cathro

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The result was speedy keep. It's snowing and notability has been very clearly demonstrated. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 10:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Warwick Cathro

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A medium level public servant who is one of the deputy directors at a government organisation. Half of the 'sources' are broken or internal links to WP articles. Part of a series of non-notable articles by Castlemate (talk · contribs) who writes heaps of articles on non-notable people from Newington College a high school.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Adsfvdf54gbb (talk • contribs)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Longhair\^talk 02:13, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Trove, eg Trove development. The subject here is (only) notable due to their (important) involvement in Trove (notability is not inherited), and about half of the current article is about Trove. The rest of the article, while referenced, is biographical but does not instill anything sufficient for notability. Aoziwe (talk) 12:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Considered the founder of Trove; and a number of awards are listed in the Honours section. SunChaser (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If the merge argument were to be accepted then we would merge Harper Lee with To Kill a Mockingbird as she has inherited her notability from her one (important) novel. Near the end of her life she wrote another but Cathro was notable throughout his career for his involvement in the Australian Bibliographic Network, Kinetica and Libraries Australia. Please not that this AfD on a distinguished Australian librarian is part of an attack by a user with a highly suspicious eding record. Castlemate (talk) 20:44, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- When we can write an article as in-depth and as referenced as Harper Lee's is about this subject... Aoziwe (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perhaps when our time isn't wasted on pointless deletion proposals. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge. The claim that he's considered "the founder of Trove" is not borne out by the sources: he's just one of many public servants who worked on a notable project. I'm not beyond convincing that he might be notable as a librarian, but the article doesn't try to make that case: it just rabbits on about Trove as if being a dude who supported its development in the course of his (non-notable) job results in inherited notability. The Drover's Wife (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I agree with the article creator that this is a suspicious and bad-faith AfD nomination. The only editing this user has done is to AfD articles created by Castlemate: [1]. SunChaser (talk) 11:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This is what the National Library of Australia says about "this dude" after his retirement. "At the time of his retirement in 2011, Dr. Cathro held the position of Assistant Director-General, Resource Sharing and Innovation at the National Library of Australia. In a career spanning over 30 years, Dr. Cathro played a leading role in the Library's delivery of innovative network services to the Australian library community including the Australian Bibliographic Network, Kinetica, and Libraries Australia. He was pivotal in the development of the Trove resource discovery service." [2] Hardly what I would call a "A medium level public servant who is one of the deputy directors at a government organisation." Who exactly has brought this AfD and why? Castlemate (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - At my government agency, of similar size to the NLA and therefore not of a full department size, the deputy/assistant DG is on the second rung, and would be the third rung on a full-size government department (SES 2). In a government department there are typically about 20-30 people of SES2 level, often they supervise 150 ppl. This is a medium level public servant, and overseeing the creating of a database is something routine for such public servants, and in no-way compares to developing eg a new tax/spending/foreign policy etc. Further it is routine each time some medium-high level manager retires, the govt website has a thankyou retirement bio on them on their contributions. Adsfvdf54gbb (talk) 06:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - As I said in my !vote, I'm not beyond convincing that he might be notable as a librarian, but the article doesn't even try to make that case: it merely tries to claim inherited notability through his (not-founder!) connection to Trove. His position at retirement doesn't get close to notability. His limited connection to Trove doesn't get close to notability. If you want to make an argument that the middle bit gets him there, then it needs to actually go in the article with sources to back it up. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge and redirect: The living people article most of the reference sources are used Wikipedia article for citations as source it seemed to be non-notability to the WP:SINGLEEVENT, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. But Warwick Cathro is a founder of Trove, some of the materials it should be merge and redirect. SA 13 Bro (talk) 03:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Cathro is an internationally known librarian and his work is quite important and influential. This stub should be kept and expanded. Merrilee (talk) 21:25, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I have upgraded the references and none of them are to Wikipedia itself. Castlemate (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Yes, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. But some of the WP:FOOTNOTES need to be citations for improving the living person article in the future. SA 13 Bro (talk) 05:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Castlemate. Gamaliel (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per the work folks have done, Sadads (talk) 22:17, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Trove is much more of an achievement than a "routine database" as it was mischaracterised above. I had some professional interactions with the National Library in the period prior to his retirement, when Cathro was acting National Librarian, so he was very senior in the library. Kerry (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per many of the above. Clearly meets GNG. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
keep GNG. Queen-washington (talk) 23:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
keep With reference to "Castlemate who writes heaps of articles on non-notable people from Newington College a high school" - an editor's affinity to a school should not necessarily make their articles deletion worthy - *any* old high school could have noteworthy students passing through. Trove is certainly a highly used research tool and knowing its creator is a definite net positive addition to Wikipedia. Influence counts for more than departmental rank (this is an unfortunate criterion that ails AfDs for academics too because great teachers often fail in publication metrics). Shyamal (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.