Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warner Williams (painter)

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The result was WP:SNOW delete. BD2412 T 13:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Warner Williams (painter)

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:GNG. I tried to find non-primary sources of Warner Williams, but I failed to find any. INeedSupport ^😷 17:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. INeedSupport ^😷 17:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is a tiny amount of coverage, but not enough to meet GNG or NARTIST. There is another Warner Williams (1764— 1848) who might be notable.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: the other Warner Williams is actually Sarah Furman Warner Williams, of the 18th-19th century. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable painter. Says the guy who has probably seen most of the articles he created on artists deleted. I am not sure, and I mean this in the narrow sense of visula artists, although several of the articles I created on composers and hymnwriters have been scapped as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the sourcing is too weak to pass GNG. Curiocurio (talk) 23:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I deleted some copyright violations. Then, realizing nothing worth saving was left save for some spam, I reverted to the last version not edited by the COI editor.--v/r - T P 17:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete --v/r - T P 17:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Insufficient coverage in news outlets or the literature to evidence notability. ——Serial^# 17:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A Google search verifies that he exists and paints, but I found no evidence that he is a notable artist as Wikipedia defines that term. The 2016 coverage in Hi-Fructose consists largely of direct quotations from the painter, with a brief description by the writer describing the subjects of his paintings. This is nowhere near enough to establish notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Blatant COI. Deb (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I re-added the two removed cites, the gallery interview and the HI-Fructose article, incorporating basic information but removing copyvio. The subject does seem to have received grants from the Pollock-Krasner Foundation. But their website and way of recording it is idiosyncratic to say the least. The only lists available seem to be the current years awardees, unless there is some trick to navigating their website that is eluding me. They do not seem to have a "list" of past grant winners by year or any other criteria, but they do have images, 4 per grantee, per year of award, see here for Williams. I haven't added that bit to the main article because I'm unsure of how to cite it as there is no accompanying text to draw information from. The other magazines and journals previously listed do not seem to have online archives. Access to those might bring the subject up to just meeting GNG depending on what they contain, but without access to them as it is I'm sure this subject still fails. It is what it is, I guess. He iro 19:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Grants aren't typically a signifier of notability. Here in Canada, any serious artist who has been around for more than four or five years gets them from the Canada Council or the provincial granting agencies. The CC gives out perhaps a thousand or more individual artist grants per year. The Pollack Krasner Foundation lists 100 grantees for the 2019-2020 year. Grants are also not directly mentioned in the notability guidelines for WP:NARTIST. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't implying they did, just listing the various material that had been removed that I had been able to verify. The article was zealously stripped of all information and cites (understandable to remove the copyvios, but seriously, someone couldn't take the time to use what was there and keep the cites?) The subject may have coverage in paper media that isn't archived on the internet, as mentioned above, but without access to it determine what it is, still fails WP:GNG. He iro 21:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete In my BEFORE I found some coverage to a better known artist named Hermann Warner Williams, but nothing to Warner Williams who seems to fail our notability guidelines. Chetsford (talk) 20:49, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article is only one sentence long, and there are only two sources, hardly enough to establish notability,TH1980 (talk) 04:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, GNG fail. Java Hurricane 05:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sources insufficient to qualify him as a WP:NARTIST. Innovamus (talk) 03:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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